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A question for foreigners

  • 25-04-2014 9:19am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭


    After viewing the Polish embassy Irish video thread a question popped into my head as to what the foreigners who live here do?
    Are they doing the job they had hope for?
    Are they doing financially well?
    I've always been curious about this.
    An example to get the ball rolling, my wife before she became my wife couldn't get into her field of study in Poland as it was just way too difficult to get in.
    She went to work in Ireland where I met her.
    After a year she enrolled into WIT and began her degree of Psychology as it was easier and cheaper here.
    3 years later she passed and with that brought it back to Poland where she got her Masters.
    She is now a psychologist :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    Thinly veiled "I have a Polish wife" thread :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Agricola wrote: »
    Thinly veiled "I have a Polish wife" thread :D

    Shhhh I'm thinly bragging :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭Xios


    Agricola wrote: »
    Thinly veiled "I have a Polish wife" thread :D

    Thinly veiled comment of jealously.
    You wish you had a Polish wife.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Yeah, I wonder how much has changed for foreign people coming to live in Ireland over the last few years. I remember when I was working a part time job around six years ago, there was loads of Polish staff. Genuinely over 50% of the staff in a decent size Centra were foreign.

    A lot of them were educated to a decent to high level back in Poland as well, but couldn't do anything with their degree over here. I know one woman working in the Deli had trained in medicine (or so she claimed anyway!).

    Anyway, two years later, or so, and the staff was 90% Irish with most of the Polish having left.

    Was that change widespread across Ireland?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    They came for our land and women and treasures. ****ing Vikings.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    Augmerson wrote: »
    They came for our land and women and treasures. ****ing Vikings.

    "God damn Poles, coming over here, stealing all our jobs."

    Remarkable improvement upon, "God damn Vikes, coming over here, stealing all raping and pillaging."

    I never understood that, "Stealing all our jobs", argument either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Philo Beddoe


    Xios wrote: »
    Thinly veiled comment of jealously.
    You wish you had a Polish wife.

    We all wish we had Polish wives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 464 ✭✭Knight who says Meh


    Xios wrote: »
    Thinly veiled comment of jealously.
    You wish you had a Polish wife.

    Ive had a few Polish wives...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭brandon_flowers


    I have a wife but she'd polish **** all.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    Why would you brag about having a Polish wife? It means you can't get a real wife.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 ✭✭✭ronjo


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Why would you brag about having a Polish wife? It means you can't get a real wife.

    care to expand on that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    bear1 wrote: »
    After viewing the Polish embassy Irish video thread a question popped into my head as to what the foreigners who live here do?
    Are they doing the job they had hope for?
    Are they doing financially well?
    I've always been curious about this.
    An example to get the ball rolling, my wife before she became my wife couldn't get into her field of study in Poland as it was just way too difficult to get in.
    She went to work in Ireland where I met her.
    After a year she enrolled into WIT and began her degree of Psychology as it was easier and cheaper here.
    3 years later she passed and with that brought it back to Poland where she got her Masters.
    She is now a psychologist :)

    Thanks for mentioning the video. I haven't seen it until now.

    Anyway just to answer.
    We (me and my girlfriend) first came to Ireland from Poland 10 years ago, and we landed straight away in very rural part of Mayo.
    We were students back then in Poland, so we came only for 3 months summer job, and this worked for us great, even though job was rather simple and not requiring any qualifications.
    We kept returning every summer for next few year, until we finally settled here in 2007.
    My wife finished her college in Poland with Masters degree in Management in Tourism Industry, and she works in her profession now on managerial position.
    I'm bit worse, as I never managed to finish my college. But I do what I like. I drive buses part time, and I run small commercial unit. Both things I really enjoy doing.

    In relation to other Polish people in Ireland.
    There was really tens of thousands of them coming here in between 2004 and 2008. Some settled, got the right jobs and stayed. A lot returned to Poland or moved somewhere else (I reckon mostly employees of building industry), as after 2008 this sector died in Ireland, but was reborn in Poland with fairly good salaries.

    At the moment I think among Polish people in Ireland there is healthy proportion of different professions.
    Those highly educated, are doing their stuff, and those without any education and without any ambition, still work in lowest paid jobs not requiring any qualifications. Very often they still didn't manage to learn to speak English properly, but I assume they are happy with it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 892 ✭✭✭GenieOz


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    Why would you brag about having a Polish wife? It means you can't get a real wife.

    What the fûck!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,586 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I remember there was some east European doctors working in a meat plant back in the good old days.Forget which country at the moment,Romania possibly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    ronjo wrote: »
    care to expand on that?

    As in Polish people don't count as real human beings

    Mod: Banned


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭fl4pj4ck


    Came here 10 years ago with some experience and no education, and - most importantly - no English. Managed to finish few courses and get myself a BSc in LIT and then a Diploma. I've done maybe 10 different jobs in the meantime, from cooking burgers to stacking shelves in Dunnes to customer service to working for multinationals. Spent some time on the dole after the crisis hi, but that allowed me to upskill and I am where I am now partially because of that.
    Have been working in my field (IT) for last couple years, and had my own business for about 3 (which I sold at some point), and now doing engineering for a multinational here.
    Still don't have an answer when someone is asking me "are you going home for Christmas" - after 10 years here it's a weird one to answer, made Ireland my home and don't intend going anywhere at this point.
    Still have no respect for people coming here and spending their time in small ghettos and not being able to speak even basic English after few years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭czechlin


    what the foreigners who live here do?

    Me and my friends do a pretty normal stuff like going to work, eat, sleep, throw all sorts of parties, steal everybody's jobs and their women and men too!:p
    Are they doing the job they had hope for? Are they doing financially well?

    I'd say some are and some aren't.


    Now on a serious note, many people came here for various reasons. I know a few, who got here during the boom and said it was a fantastic time for them and one of the best decisions made. Some of them have stayed long-term, some of them just worked hard, saved and headed back home, bought a house and settled down.

    I didn't have any plan. I came for holidays and stayed, it was a spontaneous decision and while I question it from time to time I do not regret it. I have met tons of people from all around the globe here, dealing with different cultures on a daily basis has broadened my horizons so much. I have friends that I cannot imagine my life without, they are like a second family to me, I count myself very lucky and they are one of the biggest reasons why I have stayed for so long. I am not doing a job that I hoped for because I haven't figured out what I want to do yet. I'm kind of working towards it now. And I must say Ireland is a good place for doing that. There seems to be lots of options and people I have encountered were open minded and supportive in regards career choices. Financially, it's far from great atm but it's not a disaster either.

    I was quite young when I came over and I've matured while living here.
    I have always had a little bit different way of thinking than my friends but a good few people have told me on my recent visits in the homeland that they can see the difference living abroad has made when it comes to my attitude towards some things (in a good way).
    There are still some things that just wreck my head but overall I like where I am. If I didn't I'd move. I usually get on well with Irish people too, I like the sense of humour because my own can be a bit twisted :D
    I'm interested in living elsewhere at some point and I've no idea where will life bring me, but I know that when (if) the day will come and I'll be sitting on a plane with a one way ticket Dublin => xy I'll be bawling my eyes out and I'm no cry baby!:o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Lardy


    Came here about 8 years ago. Not at all in the job/ career that I wanted, but I have zero debt and minimal bills so living comfortably. Couldn't fathom going back home now, absolutely love Ireland. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭Alfonzito


    There are still a remarkable number of French and Spanish graduates working in multi-national customer service jobs here; usually with degrees, but can't get a start at home due to their economies being in long term slumber. Work here for a couple of years, improve their English and gain credible experience then consider homeward journey or onward to the States or Australia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 491 ✭✭spitfireIRL


    this is a nice thread :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,477 ✭✭✭✭Knex*


    this is a nice thread :)

    Aye. Its great to hear some of the stories that people have.

    Cheers for sharing, folks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    I was about to say the same Knex. It gives you a sense that people have started low and made their way up which being an Irishman makes me proud that our country has some nice success stories.
    Keep them coming everyone :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    Just forgot this story as well.
    When I came with my wife to Poland one summer, we came by car.
    I was sitting at a car wash waiting for my turn in Warsaw when the guy who was in front of me started looking at the number plate.
    Queue a nice little chat about why I'm in PL and that he used to live in Bray and now moved back to Warsaw.
    He said he went over without a penny to his name on a one way ticket.
    Slept anywhere that he could. Begged.
    I can't remember the whole story as it was a few years ago but in essence he was able to start saving up money and enrolled in a course where he eventually got a degree.
    Ended up setting up a business and bought a house. Sold the house just before the boom exploded and sold the business.
    Made a fortune. Nice success story there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Makood


    kneemos wrote: »
    I remember there was some east European doctors working in a meat plant back in the good old days.Forget which country at the moment,Romania possibly.

    The landlady is Ukranian (Anyone could get a Polish!) and a was a Psychiatrist in Ukr.

    Works as a cleaner for now until her papers are finally approved in the next few weeks.

    Then I retire. Aged 39


    If she lets me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    A lot of the Polish people I'm good friends with in Ireland managed to do quite well for themselves. One runs a tattoo place and the other did a language degree and now lives in Berlin (of course, speaks German as well now). I think the fact that a lot of them learn English to fluency is also a huge benefit.

    One of my students here in Germany is originally from Poland and moved when she was 29. She qualified as an accountant but had to do everything from scratch and work as a cleaner until she could pass the exams to qualify as an accountant in German.

    I'm teaching her English from absolute scratch and she always tells me she regrets not learning English in her twenties. Even if they're not planning on staying in Ireland, being able to speak a world language is certainly one of the biggest benefits they've received.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    bear1 wrote: »
    Just forgot this story as well.
    When I came with my wife to Poland one summer, we came by car.
    I was sitting at a car wash waiting for my turn in Warsaw when the guy who was in front of me started looking at the number plate.
    Queue a nice little chat about why I'm in PL and that he used to live in Bray and now moved back to Warsaw.
    He said he went over without a penny to his name on a one way ticket.
    Slept anywhere that he could. Begged.
    I can't remember the whole story as it was a few years ago but in essence he was able to start saving up money and enrolled in a course where he eventually got a degree.
    Ended up setting up a business and bought a house. Sold the house just before the boom exploded and sold the business.
    Made a fortune. Nice success story there.

    Just afaik you live in Poland.
    Would you share how do you find living there, and generally what you do and what are the opportunities for Irish people intending to live there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,866 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    CiniO wrote: »
    Just afaik you live in Poland.
    Would you share how do you find living there, and generally what you do and what are the opportunities for Irish people intending to live there?

    Yes, I'm here temporarily as the contract involved this move - sort of outsourcing.
    Well, at the beginning it took quite a bit to get used to.
    The idea of not being able to communicate properly is quite scary, I felt a bit useless if I needed to set up appointments with mechanics and likes.
    I started to pick up the basics and went from there, whereas now I can communicate quite ok (even better if I add vodka to the mix!)
    So the differences in living costs:
    Well being Warsaw they aren't that cheap but not that bad either.
    A weeks shopping can run into the 50e mark, fuel can be the same as well.
    I've made a few friends here now, some very good friends and we all share the same humour.
    I find being here ok, except in the winter which is the time when I just want to hang myself but luckily this winter was quite an Irish one.
    The city is vibrant, many young people here.
    I do miss being home, but I think Warsaw could easily be my second home.
    I do see though that many people struggle with their salaries here so you can see why many leave for Germany/UK and Ireland.
    The minimum seems to be around 1600zl which I believe is gross - so give or take 400e per month.
    Costs have been creeping up in Warsaw for a while now so it can be a struggle.
    I'm in administration/logistics for a German company which set up one of their offices in Warsaw so I'm here to enhance skills and to pass mine on.
    Should be here for another few months or so.
    Opportunities wise for Irish people, that's a tough one to be honest.
    It seems that there is a big need for accountants which have a second language or even third language but other jobs are a bit harder to come by.
    From what I've understood the economy here has slowed down a lot after weathering through the EU crisis relatively well.
    Salaries for the accountants I think can start at around the 1-1.2k Eur mark - more than likely this is gross though. It isn't bad either as a start here.
    Any more info I can gladly post up :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39 MRedd


    nice minimum wage!!


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