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'Teachers may be told to snub English course'

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  • #2
    vamos!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 525 ✭✭✭vamos!


    sitstill wrote: »
    ... So says the Irish Examiner:

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2014/0424/ireland/teachers-may-be-told-to-snub-english-course-266388.html

    They reckon that the ASTI and TUI might instruct us to not teach the new course come September (as opposed to our current action of not cooperating with training, planning etc).

    What would we make of such a move?

    Not an English teacher so don't know how different the course materials are. Are texts etc staying the same? If not could students have to buy two sets of books if the dispute is resolved? I think it is the only way of making sure we don't end up assessing in-house. Surely if we start teaching a new course, there will be no option but to keep rolling with the changes?


  • #3
    RealJohn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,099 ✭✭✭RealJohn


    Until such time as we're going to agree to teach the new courses (I'm not an english teacher but my understanding is science is in the next group of subjects) then there should be no cooperation whatsoever. Regardless of whether we accept it or not, there won't be suitable training or support in place by September so starting then should be a non-runner anyway. The minimum that the unions should be demanding at this point is another year to train the relevant teachers up. This business of training as you go has been a farce for 'project maths' and the last thing we should be doing is embarking down the same path with other subjects.


  • #4
    acequion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭acequion


    I am an English teacher and the new course is very different.The present course is very flexible because the teacher chooses the texts and can adapt to the type of class.The new course is much more detailed and prescribed,which is a step backwards if you ask me and a total mockery of what Quinn is claiming about the whole thing.

    It has to be at the very least, deferred. At the very least,because there really is no necessity to change at all.It would be so simple and effective to just modernise and update the present course a little. But that won't suit dictator Quinn!


  • #5
    zl1whqvjs75cdy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,042 ✭✭✭zl1whqvjs75cdy


    Have to say I am on the teacher's side on this one. They are at the cold face of this so I'd go along with them. They aren't asking for more money or better pensions or whatever so I get the impression that they are worried about these changes from a purely educational viewpoint. It seems like Quinn is trying to stamp this change down their throats, which is a bit ****ty.


  • #6
    Pwpane
    Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭Pwpane


    vamos! wrote: »
    Not an English teacher so don't know how different the course materials are. Are texts etc staying the same? If not could students have to buy two sets of books if the dispute is resolved? I think it is the only way of making sure we don't end up assessing in-house. Surely if we start teaching a new course, there will be no option but to keep rolling with the changes?
    As Ruairi mentioned during interview, the last attempt at introducing different types of assessment - by their own teachers - was at the beginning of the current Junior Cert with science practicals and Irish orals. As he put it, the teacher unions blocked the change then and assessment was re-jigged even though the courses went ahead. Seems like he's determined that this won't happen again.


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  • #7
    endakenny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 956 ✭✭✭endakenny


    sitstill wrote: »
    ... So says the Irish Examiner:

    http://www.irishexaminer.com/archives/2014/0424/ireland/teachers-may-be-told-to-snub-english-course-266388.html

    They reckon that the ASTI and TUI might instruct us to not teach the new course come September (as opposed to our current action of not cooperating with training, planning etc).

    What would we make of such a move?

    Refusing to teach the course would be a strike, which is something that, according to Philip Irwin, will be considered again in the autumn depending on how things go.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/secondary-teachers-opt-against-escalating-dispute-with-quinn-1.1772969?page=1


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