Proven Bulls

dungfly

Ideally I want to use bulls that are both daughter proven (most importantly) & Genomic testes bulls. I notice from the HerdPlus bull search that how a bull is proven is not stated. How can I search/filter for daughter proven bulls?

eg O-Man
http://webapp.icbf.com/bull-search/view/229599768
Note: Genotyped

What does this "Genotyped" mean in lay man terms?

eg HMY
http://webapp.icbf.com/bull-search/view/393048350
Note: The genetic evaluation data for this animal includes a Genomic component.

Any other tips for searching for bulls?

onyerbikepat

dungfly wrote: »

.... I notice from the HerdPlus bull search that how a bull is proven is not stated...

"Proven" is defined by ICBF as follows;

A bull can only realistically be called proven on any trait once he goes above 90% reliability on that trait
http://www.icbf.com/?p=1332

bogman_bass

genptyped means that ICBF have a genetic sample of the bull and is in the system.

a bull might have first crop daughters milking but A) not enough of them to rely on it completly for the proof or the fertility proof is still genomic because not enough cow have calved a second time to have a reliable fertility proof

Milked out

If your using genomic sires use a minimum of 5 as a team, this is supposd to counter the lack of reliabilty, and perhaps pick two or three proven bulls to improve specific traits on certain cows with which you need a better chance of sucess

dungfly

How do you search via proven bulls vrs genomic bulls on HerdPlus?

dungfly

onyerbikepat wrote: »

"Proven" is defined by ICBF as follows;

A bull can only realistically be called proven on any trait once he goes above 90% reliability on that trait
http://www.icbf.com/?p=1332

Does this mean that if a bull has an overall EBI of 240 with a reliability of 95%, then he is daughter proven? How do I know if there is a genomic weighing to the reliability and its impact?

Future Farmer

But if you use only daughter proven sires then you are missing out on the best new bulls.

Use proven easy calving on your heifers & use the best new bulls on your cows, otherwise it'll take you longer to get where you want to be, no?

Gillespy

dungfly wrote: »

How do you search via proven bulls vrs genomic bulls on HerdPlus?

You see 'Proof Source' after you run the Trait Selector? click on that to arrange them either GS(genomic) or DP-Int/DP-Ire(daughter proof international or Irish). Play around with it.

farmer lad

what bulls are lads using/thinking of using in their autumn calvers?

stanflt

farmer lad wrote: »

what bulls are lads using/thinking of using in their autumn calvers?

Got a bull bred by a fellow boardsie here today

farmer lad

stanflt wrote: »

Got a bull bred by a fellow boardsie here today

What kind of breeding behind him?

ellewood

stanflt wrote: »

Got a bull bred by a fellow boardsie here today

Ahh fair play to charliebull:D

bogman_bass

probably the easiest way to check if they have a daughter proof is to click on "milk" (just under where is says genotyped) and that will tell you haw many milk recorded daughters he has.

To me though proven bulls arepast their prime at this stage. I dont get why lads are still afraid of genomics at this stage

limo_100

bogman_bass wrote: »

probably the easiest way to check if they have a daughter proof is to click on "milk" (just under where is says genotyped) and that will tell you haw many milk recorded daughters he has.

To me though proven bulls arepast their prime at this stage. I dont get why lads are still afraid of genomics at this stage

HOW IS GkA bogman i have a second calver calving to him at the end of the month??

Greengrass1

Using
Yad
PHC
PCZ
IGG
NPY

bogman_bass

limo_100 wrote: »

HOW IS GkA bogman i have a second calver calving to him at the end of the month??

He's grand. how's yerself?

First few calves seem to be nice. Nice toplines on them.

stanflt

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Using
Yad
PHC
PCZ
IGG
NPY

What happened to the lic straws you were going to order!!!

mahoney_j

6 cows signed up with pg this am to test their bull calves if they have them.in calf to ksk,jfk abo and hzb.fingers crossed one of them makes the cut ,although I'd happily take heifer calves

Greengrass1

stanflt wrote: »

What happened to the lic straws you were going to order!!!

Next yr going to re do ai course and see ifI can get a tank

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

6 cows signed up with pg this am to test their bull calves if they have them.in calf to ksk,jfk abo and hzb.fingers crossed one of them makes the cut ,although I'd happily take heifer calves

Fair play could get a nice wallet full if they make the cut

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Fair play could get a nice wallet full if they make the cut

13 tested last spring none made the cut including one 358 ebi bull and 3 others over 300.real long shot to get a bull into an Ai station

stanflt

mahoney_j wrote: »

6 cows signed up with pg this am to test their bull calves if they have them.in calf to ksk,jfk abo and hzb.fingers crossed one of them makes the cut ,although I'd happily take heifer calves

I thought that you'd have more or is the milk sub index too low

Had 2 pages dropped in yesterday for signature but not expecting anything

mahoney_j

stanflt wrote: »

I thought that you'd have more or is the milk sub index too low

Had 2 pages dropped in yesterday for signature but not expecting anything

Yep milk sub index too low,when picking Bulls this year I did it on a cow by cow basis rather than just using sure advice.average milk kg of bulls used was +168 kg and 32 kg solids so am expecting much better things from this years calves.average milk kg for herd has dropped from 138 2 years ago to 124.i need to get this somewhere between 150 and 180 kg as well as maintaining solids and fertility.some interesting Bulls in new pg catalagoue,like the look of hzb,yad,PCz,zfg,gxc

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Yep milk sub index too low,when picking Bulls this year I did it on a cow by cow basis rather than just using sure advice.average milk kg of bulls used was +168 kg and 32 kg solids so am expecting much better things from this years calves.average milk kg for herd has dropped from 138 2 years ago to 124.i need to get this somewhere between 150 and 180 kg as well as maintaining solids and fertility.some interesting Bulls in new pg catalagoue,like the look of hzb,yad,PCz,zfg,gxc

Im choosing purly on solids and high fert. Get my fert right and 6 wk cakving and ill be on thr pigs back

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Im choosing purly on solids and high fert. Get my fert right and 6 wk cakving and ill be on thr pigs back

That's the beauty of ebi ,Bulls there for everyone.dont ignore milk though gg,your fertility is fairly good as it is I reckon ,your problems I reckon are more mineral related and your winter diet probably needs improvement.you should still I reckon be aiming for Bulls that are + 100 kg for milk as well as fertility and solids.theres loads of them there.hol and x bred

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

That's the beauty of ebi ,Bulls there for everyone.dont ignore milk though gg,your fertility is fairly good as it is I reckon ,your problems I reckon are more mineral related and your winter diet probably needs improvement.you should still I reckon be aiming for Bulls that are + 100 kg for milk as well as fertility and solids.theres loads of them there.hol and x bred

Loads of milk in the herd now heading more for 6000l av compared to the 5500l we were. 520kgs sold per cow last yr

limo_100

bogman_bass wrote: »

He's grand. how's yerself?

First few calves seem to be nice. Nice toplines on them.

O thats nice hopefully he'll come and visit his offspring. Whats he like for calving, hes the best looking bull in the book anyway. Would the calves be more like cf85 or lgl