Gaming Build - €600

Yawns

I think I've gotten more than my fair share of gaming time out of this rig so need a new one. This one is still running fine and can be used by other people in the household so I'll need a new tower. I've been putting it off over the last few weeks so here we go.

1. What is your budget? [€600 - €700]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? [Gaming]

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? [No]

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer? [Could make use of old dvd / cd re-writer so need to purchase one]

5. Do you need a monitor? [No]

5a. If yes, what size do you need. [n/a]

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? [Currently using a 22" LED tv displaying a res of 1920x1200 ]

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? [ No need for extra peripherals - Have Keyboard, Mouse and will use Ethernet Cable for model ]

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? [Don't want to Overclock]

8. How can you pay? [Bank Transfer/ Debit Card / Paypal]

9. When are you purchasing? [ ASAP ]

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? [Athy, Co Kildare - been a few years since I last built a rig but should be fine]

I'm gonna have a look and see if I can throw something together myself but just looking for advice from lads who are more up to date than myself on current specs. Ideally I'd like a ssd along with 1tb hdd in the build. It will be primarily a gaming rig but no set games in mind. Currently devoting far too much time to World of Tanks but will be playing others with a decent rig hopefully.

Cheers

Yawns

Bumped the budget to about €700. Can prob stretch it a bit more if needed but will delay the order by about a week or 2 before I get around to ordering.




Does that look good enough to be getting on with or would you make changes. Tried to base the parts on what's available atm as well. If you have any advice, feel free to join in and help me

Yawns

This is the card in the current setup here


But for not much extra I saw the 3G 660 here

But this looks good, the radeon r9 270 here

Simi

Hmm, maybe spend the extra €15 on a 4670k (even if you don't want to overclock now, it's nice to have the option in the future) and personally I'd go for an r9 270 instead of the gtx 660. They can be picked up for the same price as the 660 and are generally a little faster (also significantly more overclockable.) Here's a run down of some of the various brands if you decide to go that way.

If you were going to stretch your budget I'd also recommend upgrading to a Crucical M500 240gb for €40 more. 120gb will start to feel very cramped once you've installed a few games. 240gb is about right for a boot drive + some games. As for the motherboard, PSU and case I'll yield to someone more knowledgable about such things. You could also probably knock ~€100 off the cost if you went with an AMD FX build. A FX-6300 would offer more or less the same gaming experience as the i5, at the cost of single threaded performance in other situations.

estilen

Too lazy to go on hardwareversand but...

i5-4440, ASRock B85 Pro4, ASUS GTX 760 2GB, 2x4GB Crucial Ballistix Sport 1600Mhz CL9, Corsair CX500M, Corsair Carbide 200R, Seagate Barracuda 1TB, Samsung 840 EVO 120GB.
Should fit within 700 quid.

estilen

@Simi
He wants a gaming build, FX-6300 is a big no no for gaming. i5 beats the 6300 in gaming. He'd also want a better motherboard for overclocking, that's adding extra cost. Also, while a bit more expensive (not that much tbh, 10 or 20 quid), Samsung 840 EVO ssd's are somewhat faster than M500. But, Crucial M500 is still an amazing and nice line of SSD's.

Forgot to add, nVidia's newest drivers are pretty sweet and even beat mantle.

Simi

estilen wrote: »

@Simi
He wants a gaming build, FX-6300 is a big no no for gaming. i5 beats the 6300 in gaming.

Yes it does, but it's far from a big no no. In the majority of games it will make little to no difference. The samsung evos are better but not €20 better.

However, the i5 4440 will net you a saving of €30 alright, for a negligible difference in performance. The cheapest gtx 760 is +€55 on hardwareversand. The i5 4440 + 760 is definitely a better combo overall. You might need a better PSU?

estilen

Better as in wattage or what?
If wattage, 500 watts is more than enough. 760 drains about 230 or 250 in stress. Can't remember what's the stress usage of 4440, but it's about 80 anyway (more than likely lower than 80, because integrated gpu will not be used), that leaves enough power for the rest of components.

Just checked prices of 240GB M500 and 250GB 840 EVO on hardwareversand
M500 - €97,50
840 EVO - €114,99

Simi

estilen wrote: »

Better as in wattage or what?
If wattage, 500 watts is more than enough. 760 drains about 230 or 250 in stress. Can't remember what's the stress usage of 4440, but it's about 80 anyway (more than likely lower than 80, because integrated gpu will not be used), that leaves enough power for the rest of components.

No better as in there might be another 500w psu that is better than the one he's picked out. As I said I'm not up to speed on which psu's are good, bad or awful these days.

estilen

Corsair delivers reasonably priced quality power supplies. I've a Corsair RM550W myself, this is obviously a psu from a better shelf, but still never had any problems with it.
What else is there to pick... Seasonic, xfx, be quiet, thermaltake, fortron, coolermaster, superflower? Can't remember exact brands, but some of them come from the same factories. Loads to choose from, I usually stick with Corsair, idk.

Yawns

Cheers for the input guys, really appreciate it. I don't really want to go into the overclocking route atm. I've not been tempted to in the past and don't see myself going down the route in the near future at the very least.

I'm torn between the R9 270 and the second 660 atm. Will look into the other ssd's atm. On the PSU's I'm really not sure what's the best brand atm so I've gone with what I know from past experience. I'd be willing to change it to another brand if it's reliable. I don't want to skimp on a psu for the sake of a couple of euro to find it's inefficient or just unreliable.

estilen

Cheers for the input blah blah blah, have you read my conversation bit with Simi?
i5-4440 + GTX 760 is the best option.
GTX 760 is a stronger card than R9 270 and newest nVidia drivers outperform the 270 in AMD-optimised games.

bassey

estilen every single one of your posts are the same, you may as well just copy and paste into every thread

Intel is better than AMD for gaming blah blah
Nivida, gtx 760, drivers blah blah blah
Up your budget blah blah

you pay little to no attention to the OP's budget or needs in most cases

Rant over;

OP in my opinion the 270 is an excellent card, of course I am biased as I have one but I threw up some unigene benchmarks in a thread here

estilen

Ctrl+v
Most of the builds are gaming ones but sure, blah blah blah
If the op says gaming I focus on gaming and try to pick parts that will suit a gaming build
Intel produces stronger cores, that utilise gaming better. People, who want to quickly render/edit/etc stuff will get their stuff done faster with AMD. I never said that 270 is a bad card, I like the R9 series and also like the direction in which AMD is going with their next gen GPU's, they can be better than GTX 800, if will have better temps etc. However, for just ~40 or 50 euro more you can get a more efficient card, like 760. I always (or where I can/remember :P) try to suggest a way to stay within the budget, but honestly, if you're spending over a grand, will 20 euro matter that much?
I indeed get repetitive, because I've built quite a few systems before, even before I signed up on this. People are happy with their builds and get what they want. I've seen a few people on here, suggesting stuff that never suits the needs of an OP. Why? Because they usually copy paste what they have seen somewhere.

What temps do you get at full stress, what cooling/brand is it? What about real performance, gaming wise?

Yawns

Estilen I did read your post and I have looked at the i5-4440 but I went with my one originally as it had a slightly higher clock speed of 3.4GHz. While it may not be a massive amount in difference, I thought it was the better choice. I'm also more interested in what's available immediately rather than waiting for stuff to come into stock of which only 1 i5-4440 is readily available atm.

Now maybe it would be the better choice to drop to a i5-4440 instead of i5-4670 in my build and put the extra into the gtx 760 but when I checked the rs 270 I was impressed by it.

SterlingArcher

Yawns wrote: »

Estilen I did read your post and I have looked at the i5-4440 but I went with my one originally as it had a slightly higher clock speed of 3.4GHz. While it may not be a massive amount in difference, I thought it was the better choice. I'm also more interested in what's available immediately rather than waiting for stuff to come into stock of which only 1 i5-4440 is readily available atm.

Now maybe it would be the better choice to drop to a i5-4440 instead of i5-4670 in my build and put the extra into the gtx 760 but when I checked the rs 270 I was impressed by it.

The 270 is a good card. And 50 euro cheaper than the gtx 760.

Elisten , you need to chill man. Might I suggest listening to some chill out music. Try ice cube, check yo self.

EoinHef

estilen wrote: »

Cheers for the input blah blah blah, have you read my conversation bit with Simi?
i5-4440 + GTX 760 is the best option.
GTX 760 is a stronger card than R9 270 and newest nVidia drivers outperform the 270 in AMD-optimised games.

Manners are free and dont cost anything estilen:rolleyes:

Im not criticising your advice just your manner and tone,and take it as that,critcisim rather than thinking im trying to be a smart arse. Next time dont be lazy,go to HWVS and put up your build for the OP and explain why you went with the parts you did,im sure you will get a much better response from people.

As a courtesy ive took the liberty to knock up your build on HWVS so the OP can have a look at it properly:

Item|Price
8GB-Kit Crucial Ballistix Sport Series DDR3-1600, CL9|€54.76
Intel Core i5-4440 Box, LGA1150|€150.08
Gigabyte B85-HD3, ATX, Sockel 1150|€71.32
ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5, GeForce GTX 760, 2GB GDDR5|€205.42
Corsair CX Series Modular CX500M, 500W|€52.33
WD Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€46.86
Crucial M500 120GB SATA 6GB/s 6,4CM (2,5") 7mm|€57.23
Corsair Carbide Series 200R, ATX, ohne Netzteil|€49.20
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€706.19Personally i would prefer to pay a bit extra for the MSI Twin Frozer 760 but theres not much in it just personal taste really,and its also out of stock!

I also changed the MB as the ASRock Pro 4 is out of stock currently.

The case is also without a windowed side panel,the side panel window edition only costs a little more but is currently out of stock also.

I changed the above as wanted to use items that were in stock on HWVS as OP said he would be buying soon and also to keep in budget where nessacery without hurting performance.

All these prices were run through geizhals.de OP to obtain discounted prices so you would need to use it to get the above build for that price. Very nice system imo so +1 for it,if you have no interest in overclocking id say this would be a better route than the FX-6300 and 270.

The 6300 and 270 are both decent bits of kit but really need to be overclocked to reach there full potential imo. If you were looking to save some money you could take out the 760 and get a 270,not overclocked there will be a performance hit though so keep that in mind.

Also does the Optical drive you have use S-ata? If it does,you can use that if you need one. If not you would have to get one and would need to add it to the build. This one would do fine

Yawns

Thank you very much Eoinhef for that. I'd actually forgotten about that discount website tho I had read about it being used on here before. I've just been looking at the build there now you've pasted. I take it that the i5-4440 whilst at a slower stock speed, it's prob not even noticeable compared with the 4670. Also would stock fan be fine or would there be a recommendation for a better cpu fan. I can stretch the budget towards 750 even to 800 if needed but after having car fixed as well this week my wallet would appreciate if we went for value for money on the extension.

Yawns

Item|Price
8GB-Kit Crucial Ballistix Sport Series DDR3-1600, CL9|€58.24
Intel Core i5-4440 Box, LGA1150|€157.03
Gigabyte B85-HD3, ATX, Sockel 1150|€74.75
ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5, GeForce GTX 760, 2GB GDDR5|€218.37
Corsair CX Series Modular CX500M, 500W|€56.00
WD Blue 1TB 6Gb's|€49.80
Crucial M500 120GB SATA 6GB/s 6,4CM (2,5") 7mm|€61.46
Aerocool Xpredator X1 Midi-Tower - schwarz/rot|€46.07
4 x Prolimatech Red Vortex Red Wings - 140mm|€37.64
Shipping|€18.99
Total|€778.35


That's the above without any discounts. I switched over to Firefox to use that script but it removed my discounted prices I had gathered with Chrome which is still available. The total discounted price with shipping is €735.16

Gone with my original case and some extra fans for side and top.

Yawns

Would there be any changes needed to be made to that build? I prefer the look of that case but from reading the specs it only comes witha front and rear fan, then mounts for the rest. Not gonna get a floor fan, but 2 for the side and 2 for top. Gone with quiet fans as well.

Yawns

estilen

Make sure you can mount all 140mm fans. According to the description of the case, you can only mount 120mm's on the top.
You won't really need a cpu cooler, as you're not overclocking and should have enough ventilation to keep good temps under stress. The difference between 4440 and 4670 is marginal, so both cpu and stock cooler are grand.

Yawns

actually good point, I just looked at the 1 set of mount and stupidly assumed 4 mounts were same. Will sort that now, cheers. Figured the stock cooler should fine without o/cing.

Yawns

http://www.hardwareversand.de/120mm/54135/Xigmatek+XOF-F1251+L%C3%BCfter+-+120mm.articleSwitched 2 of them 140 for a pair of these 120

White colour but they are for the top so won't be seen easily. Low noise with a decent airflow. 5.90 with discount.

Yawns

Ok lads, that's ordered. Cheers for the help and input, really do appreciate all of it. Been to the bank and lodged my cash then transferred online just now. Forgot to bring my id with me into the bank so couldn't even transfer it then and there. But it's done now, ordered and paid. Hopefully arrive within a week but with the bank holiday Monday it might get delayed.

Again cheers for the help. Will let you know when I have it all up and running.

SuperTortoise

Looks like a quality and solid build, have fun!

estilen

Remember to route cables nicely and use zip-ties. If you won't have enough fan headers, then use Y-splitters.
Good luck. :P

Yawns

Will do. Cheers again lads and hopefully all smooth with delivery. Too bad it's a really long ass weekend as well in it for the wait.

EoinHef

Throw up a few pics when you get it all built,best of luck with it:)