Protesting ***ts

TheBandicoot

They are against wind farms or pylons or some ****. Why do we allow these people to shut down the city centre? If they want to protest go to a park and get the **** out of the way of the public and private transport of the economic powerhouse of the country, that produces the cash that pays to subsidise their rural existence.

Disclosure: I had to abandon a bus at the Four Courts and walk about half an hour to work because of these people, as did most people on my bus and others I passed along the quays.

drumswan

"We want jobs and infrastructure in Ballygobackwards! Rabble, rabble"

"OK we'll build some infrastructure for you"

"We dont want that infrastructure! Rabble, rabble, rabble"

:rolleyes:

baldbear

Why aren't the pylons put in Clondalkin or Ballymun? Why is it the culchies that have there land blighted with supersized pylons.

Fair play to the protestors.Too many Irish people.bend over and let the government screw them.

TheBandicoot

baldbear wrote: »

Why aren't the pylons put in Clondalkin or Ballymun? Why is it the culchies that have there land blighted with supersized pylons.

Fair play to the protestors.Too many Irish people.bend over and let the government screw them.

Except there are lots of pylons in residential areas in North and West Dublin..

http://goo.gl/maps/HzZSa

This one is even next to a creche! The horror!

wobbles-grogan

They dont want pylons on their patch, whats the big problem with that? Its their land after all, they have to live with it, not you.

As far as I know, these pylons are far far larger than the one you posted there. (Anyone know for sure?)

Riskymove

baldbear wrote: »

Why aren't the pylons put in Clondalkin or Ballymun? Why is it the culchies that have there land blighted with supersized pylons.

because the fecking power lines are bringing the electricity to the culchies all over the country...

longhalloween

baldbear wrote: »

Why aren't the pylons put in Clondalkin or Ballymun? Why is it the culchies that have there land blighted with supersized pylons.

Fair play to the protestors.Too many Irish people.bend over and let the government screw them.

High voltage lines are needed for industry.

If you protest against them, then you get no industry and no jobs as a result.

The government don't put them up for no good reason.

Riskymove

longhalloween wrote: »

If you protest against them, then you get no industry and no jobs as a result.

they do want them...they want them to be put underground and for all of us to have to pay for that

maximoose

baldbear wrote: »

Why aren't the pylons put in Clondalkin or Ballymun? Why is it the culchies that have there land blighted with supersized pylons.

Because science.

GBX

Thats the idea of the protest ... to make people notice. Regardless of where they are based. Government is up here and they want those in the Dail to know they are around making rumblings. It puts people out ... but so does every other protest/march.

Theres no such thing as bad press they say - even if they are p***ing off people by doing it today in Dublin City ... They are being heard.
Its catch 22 - no matter what the protest there will always be somebody who is annoyed because there plans are disrupted.

bumper234

No problem with protesters but i do have an issue with the mayhem they cause.

They should only be allowed to protest between the hours of midnight and 5AM and on weekends 4 AM to 10 AM, They can protest the **** out of the place during those hours and everyone will be happy.

drumswan

Riskymove wrote: »

they do want them...they want them to be put underground and for all of us to have to pay for that

Yep, they want us to subsidise their existence and when we aren't doing it exactly to their liking they want to disrupt our day. Nice chaps, talk about entitled.

Del2005

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

They dont want pylons on their patch, whats the big problem with that? Its their land after all, they have to live with it, not you.

Well we don't want them protesting on our patch. They are perfectly free to protest in the area where the pylons are going to be not built.

I'm waiting for the protests in a few years time when the current infrastructure can't cope and we've rolling power cuts in rural areas, cause there's zero chance of putting the lines underground when the Environmental Impact Survey survey is done.

wobbles-grogan

Del2005 wrote: »

Well we don't want them protesting on our patch. They are perfectly free to protest in the area where the pylons are going to be not built.

I'm waiting for the protests in a few years time when the current infrastructure can't cope and we've rolling power cuts in rural areas, cause there's zero chance of putting the lines underground when the Environmental Impact Survey survey is done.

I agree, we do need to improve the infrastructure. But maybe rather than just deciding to build new pylons all over the place, why not have proper public consultation and debates with the people who have to live in the area?
The same thing happened with the wind turbines. The plan was made to build X number of turbines in the midlands but no-one ever asked the people around what they thought of that. Not even a "We want to put these up, where would be best in your area do you think?"
Look where that ended up...

TimeToShine

Riskymove wrote: »

they do want them...they want them to be put underground and for all of us to have to pay for that

Do you have any idea how much that would cost?

Even fault diagnostics on underground cables are really difficult and costly, and it's not an expense this country can afford at the present time.

What do these protestors expect to happen exactly? There is simply no benefit whatsoever to removing pylons and replacing them with underground cables, at least from a fiscal perspective. Tough luck if your view of the farm across the road is blighted by a piece of metal. Having said that, in the UK they had a competition to design some nice pylons and a few of them would look quite decent regardless of where they're placed.

wobbles-grogan

TimeToShine wrote: »

Do you have any idea how much that would cost?

Even fault diagnostics on underground cables are really difficult and costly, and it's not an expense this country can afford at the present time.

Faults would also be much rarer, as we dont have to worry about trees/cars etc crashing into cables.

bumper234

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Faults would also be much rarer, as we dont have to worry about trees/cars etc crashing into cables.

But not some farmer drilling for a well or digging ditches.

wobbles-grogan

bumper234 wrote: »

But not some farmer drilling for a well or digging ditches.

Yeah, that'd happen regularly.

longhalloween

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Faults would also be much rarer, as we dont have to worry about trees/cars etc crashing into cables.

But the cost/time/difficulty to bury all the cables is far greater than any cost to repair overheads.

Plus there's the issue of archaeological discoveries which can halt the whole process for months.

Aard

baldbear wrote: »

Why aren't the pylons put in Clondalkin or Ballymun? Why is it the culchies that have there land blighted with supersized pylons.

Pylons already go through Clondalkin

bumper234

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Yeah, that'd happen regularly.

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Faults would also be much rarer, as we dont have to worry about trees/cars etc crashing into cables.

How often does this happen?

TimeToShine

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Faults would also be much rarer, as we dont have to worry about trees/cars etc crashing into cables.

True, but faults take days and possibly weeks to repair when they do occur as opposed to a few hours on a pylon. Maintenance costs are also very high relative to pylons. Also, Ireland is very competitive on the electricity front and if there were to be some development in HV transmission then you'd have to strip the underground cables and start from scratch.

Gongoozler

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Yeah, that'd happen regularly.

Lol what. You haven't been clue have you.


Yeah generally I'm all for protests, but **** off and stop ****ing up my scramble to get to work or home after, it's too long as it is.

wobbles-grogan

longhalloween wrote: »

But the cost/time/difficulty to bury all the cables is far greater than any cost to repair overheads.

Plus there's the issue of archaeological discoveries which can halt the whole process for months.

Sure, that is an issue, or a blessing as we'd learn a lot more also.

How about bury them in areas near where people live or a farmer feels it would drastically reduce the value of his land (And obviously proven to be)?

Back on topic though, dont really understand this apathy towards protesters in Ireland. They feel strongly about something and stand up against it where the government will see it most (i.e. where the greatest population density is).
Sure, it's a slight inconvenience on all the rest of us, but surely the right to protest is more important?

wobbles-grogan

bumper234 wrote: »

How often does this happen?

All last winter, through every single one of the storms we had.

bumper234

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Sure, that is an issue, or a blessing as we'd learn a lot more also.

How about bury them in areas near where people live or a farmer feels it would drastically reduce the value of his land (And obviously proven to be)?

Back on topic though, dont really understand this apathy towards protesters in Ireland. They feel strongly about something and stand up against it where the government will see it most (i.e. where the greatest population density is).
Sure, it's a slight inconvenience on all the rest of us, but surely the right to protest is more important?

And what about people right to go about their business? As i say i am all for protest but they should be limited to certain times. I wonder how many of those protesters would be happy if a few hundred Dubs went to their town and clogged it up for a few hours.

drumswan

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Sure, it's a slight inconvenience on all the rest of us, but surely the right to protest is more important?

They are free to protest in their own areas, more power to them. The rest of us have to work to pay for their existence unfortunately.

bumper234

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

All last winter, through every single one of the storms we had.

Weather is a natural phenomenon, Underground cables could be damaged by earthquake or floods.

wobbles-grogan

bumper234 wrote: »

And what about people right to go about their business? As i say i am all for protest but they should be limited to certain times. I wonder how many of those protesters would be happy if a few hundred Dubs went to their town and clogged it up for a few hours.

Tip down to stradbally each september and ask locals :pac:

Also, free-speech-but-only-at-certain-times-of-the-day seems like a bit of a cop out, and could easily be abused by the government of the day to shut down protests it feels may bring it down.

bumper234

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Tip down to stradbally each september and ask locals :pac:

Also, free-speech-but-only-at-certain-times-of-the-day seems like a bit of a cop out, and could easily be abused by the government of the day to shut down protests it feels may bring it down.

Don't think many of today's protesters were from Stradbally tbh :rolleyes:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/up-to-5000-set-to-march-against-wind-turbines-and-pylons-265383.html

Buses were hired and cars filled with petrol and diesel this morning as between 3,000 and 5,000 protesters take part in a mass protest in Dublin over wind turbines and pylons.

The 11am march from Parnell Square to Leinster House, was organised by anti-wind and pylon groups in Westmeath, Laois, and Offaly.

longhalloween

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Sure, that is an issue, or a blessing as we'd learn a lot more also.

Unfortunately it's very rare for a comprehensive paper to be published about such excavations. More likely it'll just result in more boxes of reports and bagged items to be shelved in a warehouse somewhere. At the moment archaeological remains are safest left in the ground.

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Back on topic though, dont really understand this apathy towards protesters in Ireland. They feel strongly about something and stand up against it where the government will see it most (i.e. where the greatest population density is).
Sure, it's a slight inconvenience on all the rest of us, but surely the right to protest is more important?

I don't care about protests. My issue is with people who can't see beyond their own noses and identify that infrastructure is important to the development of their regions. Delaying that infrastructure will only delay their own economic growth.
There is no way in hell those cables will be buried. The only options are pylons or no pylons.

The people protesting today about the construction of infrastructure will be the ones protesting in a decade about the lack of infrastructure.

Dyr

if its a bogger problem then they can protest it in ballybogger

National and dublin issues only on our streets thanks

wobbles-grogan

longhalloween wrote: »

There is no way in hell those cables will be buried. The only options are pylons or no pylons.

Why not some of them? In areas where they need to be buried? (Natural beauty, people living nearby, etc etc)

longhalloween

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Why not some of them? In areas where they need to be buried? (Natural beauty, people living nearby, etc etc)

Due to bungalow blight there'll always be someone unhappy with the situation who'll fight it tooth and nail.

wobbles-grogan

So we all think it's a good idea to put 10m high pylons right through the country, not caring for where they go through, what wildlife they displace/inhibit, health impacts (that no ones proved or disproved I might add), what scenery/tourism they ruin?

We're going to be living with these for the next 50 years, this is something that should be done once, and done right.

bumper234

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

Why not some of them? In areas where they need to be buried? (Natural beauty, people living nearby, etc etc)

So every cable in Dublin, Cork, Limerick etc?

wobbles-grogan

bumper234 wrote: »

So every cable in Dublin, Cork, Limerick etc?

We're talking about pylons, large high voltage lines. Not the puny 230V coming into your door.

(And I would also say yeah, a lot of those should be underground also, make the place look a whole pile nicer!)

bumper234

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

We're talking about pylons, large high voltage lines. Not the puny 230V coming into your door.

(And I would also say yeah, a lot of those should be underground also, make the place look a whole pile nicer!)

Dublin has pylons criss crossing it, Do you know how many millions it would cost to bury every cable in the country?

TimeToShine

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

So we all think it's a good idea to put 10m high pylons right through the country, not caring for where they go through, what wildlife they displace/inhibit, health impacts (that no ones proved or disproved I might add), what scenery/tourism they ruin?

We're going to be living with these for the next 50 years, this is something that should be done once, and done right.

I would argue that underground cables would have a significantly higher impact on wildlife than pylons.

chopper6

Bloody bogmen running amok on our capitals streets...as if Coppers isnt enough for them.

hfallada

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

So we all think it's a good idea to put 10m high pylons right through the country, not caring for where they go through, what wildlife they displace/inhibit, health impacts (that no ones proved or disproved I might add), what scenery/tourism they ruin?

We're going to be living with these for the next 50 years, this is something that should be done once, and done right.

Whats the right way for it to be done? There is pylons running across Europe and people accept it. A majority of tourism is in Dublin, Cork and cliffs of Moher. I have never heard of a tourist exploring the non-existent beauty of the mid-lands. Industry is something that can supply jobs all year round and high paid jobs. Tourism tends to be poorly paid and seasonal.

Ireland isnt going to be the first country in Europe with Pylons and they will be essential for our economic development. There is only one way to resolve the issue and thats to build the pylons.

longhalloween

bumper234 wrote: »

Dublin has pylons criss crossing it, Do you know how many millions it would cost to bury every cable in the country?

The cost of burying cables is more than the return of putting in the cable in the first place.

Ireland isn't unique on the pylon argument. Austria have been embroiled in a similar case for 20 years, with nobody willing to compromise.

Del2005

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

How about bury them in areas near where people live or a farmer feels it would drastically reduce the value of his land (And obviously proven to be)?

And here is the problem. People don't want the pylons near their homes, even if they are whatever regulation distance agreed to be safe as it'll ruin their views, which are already ruined for everyone else by the McMansions lining the road, but are perfectly happy to "destroy" the beautiful untouched countryside where there is no development.

wobbles-grogan

Del2005 wrote: »

And here is the problem. People don't want the pylons near their homes, even if they are whatever regulation distance agreed to be safe as it'll ruin their views, which are already ruined for everyone else by the McMansions lining the road, but are perfectly happy to "destroy" the beautiful untouched countryside where there is no development.

Yeah, thats true. There is a lot of horrid looking houses around the country alright.

longhalloween

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

So we all think it's a good idea to put 10m high pylons right through the country, not caring for where they go through, what wildlife they displace/inhibit, health impacts (that no ones proved or disproved I might add), what scenery/tourism they ruin?

We're going to be living with these for the next 50 years, this is something that should be done once, and done right.

Would the construction of pylons every 200 metres be ecologically worse than digging a 100km trench across the country?
Personally there's power cables running over my garden, and I never notice them unless I hit them with a football.

At least pylons could be removed easily if a better solution was found in the future, whereas buried cables would just be left in the ground.

ThisRegard

baldbear wrote: »

Why aren't the pylons put in Clondalkin or Ballymun? Why is it the culchies that have there land blighted with supersized pylons.

There's pylons all over the place in Dublin, they're pretty hard to miss outside of the city centre. Locally to me there's a load going through the local park and right by 2 primary schools. Oddly enough the local residents don't have an issue with living beside them, nor have they got 3 heads as a result.

wobbles-grogan wrote: »

All last winter, through every single one of the storms we had.

Not the pylons being discussed here, they're higher than your regular tree.

Dyr

We need to establish some sort of dublin militia to protect the city from these acts of spud gobbler sabotage. The gardas loyalty is suspect in these situations.

In between farmer protests the militia could run the junkies off the streets to earn their keep

wobbles-grogan

Bambi wrote: »

We need to establish some sort of dublin militia to protect the city from these acts of spud gobbler sabotage. The gardas loyalty is suspect in these situations.

In between farmer protests the militia could run the junkies off the streets to earn their keep

Now THAT I do support!

RobbingBandit

Serious amount of pylons where I used to live in Poppintree. Ballymun, mainly Belclare park was full of them. Loads built up the road in Finglas too and along the M50, scary stuff.

RobbingBandit

Bambi wrote: »

We need to establish some sort of dublin militia to protect the city from these acts of spud gobbler sabotage. The gardas loyalty is suspect in these situations.

In between farmer protests the militia could run the junkies off the streets to earn their keep

If I win the Euromillions tonight I will personally finance this.

radia

If you have to have pylons, could do worse than these...
(Icelandic competition, didn't win.)