Insignia 2011 - gearbox, clutch and flywheel

Naux

Anyone know the rough expected cost of replacement and fitting of gearbox,clutch and flywheel on 2011 2litre diesel Insignia?

bazz26

Well if the cost is similar to my Passat CC then you could be looking at €5k. Thankfully VW paid for mine under warranty. Normally the flywheel and clutch are wear and tear but my gearbox formed a fracture, leaked oil which damaged both the clutch and flywheel hence why VW covered it. A reconditioned gearbox would obviously reduce the cost for you.

Has it been determined what caused all 3 to need replacing as you may have a claim with Opel if it is determined that a defective part damaged the others.

Naux

No cause determined yet as I haven't had a chance to speak to garage yet. My wife dropped car into them for quote.

Just want to have an idea what sort of cost it would typically be. I'm expecting its going to be a big number unfortunately.

mickdw

Jesus these are crazy expensive repairs and all too common now.
I hope there is mad miles on it or something.
I dont know how the average family can stump up for these mad repairs on ordinary everyday cars. It really has gotten out of hand. A 3k bill on an S Class mercedes is hard to stomach but to be fair its an expensive car.
A 3k unexpected bill on a family saloon is over the top.

lomb

A used gearbox ,new clutch and flywheel shouldn't be any more than around 1k stg in parts, add to that maybe 300-400 euros in labour to install and it would be around 1500-1600, a lot but no where near 3k.

mickdw

Was just taking an average figure between what Bazz would have paid for all new parts and what you would expect by using a used box and getting it done cheap as possible. I agree with your pricing but
its still madness tbh. Its far too common on the previous vectra and by all accounts not alot better on the insignia.

MuppetCheck

It's a different gearbox on the Insignia but I've heard a few stories in recent times about that box.

Unless the car has huge miles I'd be looking for some goodwill gesture from Opel.

You'll need a full history and a sympathetic service manager mind but a failure like that on a 3 year old car is completely unacceptable for the customer to foot the bill on.

Old diesel

MuppetCheck wrote: »

It's a different gearbox on the Insignia but I've heard a few stories in recent times about that box.

Unless the car has huge miles I'd be looking for some goodwill gesture from Opel.

You'll need a full history and a sympathetic service manager mind but a failure like that on a 3 year old car is completely unacceptable for the customer to foot the bill on.

This - exactly this

I wouldn't be going messing with with 2nd hand gearboxes* etc - until at the very least - id had a decent crack at getting Opel to stump up for at least part of the repair bill.


*due to the big bills involved that's the sort of thing people might be inclined to think about doing

bigboss1986

We have about 120 Opel Insignia diesel in my company fleet( well known car hire company ) Cost of clutch and flywheel is 2k euro.Gearbox around 2,5.In the last 3 years we had about 30 broken geraboxes and Opel covered most of the cost!!!Keep pressure on them!!!

Frankie Lee

lomb wrote: »

A used gearbox ,new clutch and flywheel shouldn't be any more than around 1k stg in parts, add to that maybe 300-400 euros in labour to install and it would be around 1500-1600, a lot but no where near 3k.

The cluch and flywheel alone works out around €1k. Getting a second hand gearbox for less than £200 is not realistic.

andrew1977

Sorry to hijack the thread a bit. I have a 2012 Diesel Insignia and in recent times when starting from cold and your change up through the gears fast, the accelerator pedal/car shudders a bit.Hard to explain, like a shaking in the pedal, which I notice effecting the whole car now. As soon as the car warms up and reaches the right temperature, problem goes.
Any clues or thoughts ?

I have brough this to the Opel dealer twice who insists nothing is wrong with the car.
I dont aceept it as its noticedable and other people with me in the car notice it also.
I have written to Opel Ireland now to see where that gets me.

Thanks

lomb

Frankie Lee wrote: »

The cluch and flywheel alone works out around €1k. Getting a second hand gearbox for less than £200 is not realistic.

Without shopping around here is a reputable Luk dmf/flywheel http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-INSIGNIA-2-0-CDTI-DUAL-MASS-FLYWHEEL-AND-CLUTCH-KIT-INC-SLAVE-CYLINDER-/390705123587?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5af7d71103

for around 750 euro

Heres a gearbox for 200euro

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Insignia-2010-2-0-Gearbox-6-Speed-Diesel-F40-/181371036183?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item2a3a8e6217

Even with pallet delivery of the latter and parcel motel of the former its still well under budget. The only problem is that it is obviously poorly engineered and might fail again.

mickdw

bigboss1986 wrote: »

We have about 120 Opel Insignia diesel in my comapny fleet( well know car hire company ) Cost of clutch and flywheel is 2k euro.Gerabox around 2,5.In the last 3 years we had about 30 broken geraboxes and Opel covered most of the cost!!!Keep pressure on them!!!

Most of the cost! If they are not covering 100% of cost for a large fleet buyer, they might not be too helpful to a private car buyer.

bigboss1986

mickdw wrote: »

Most of the cost! If they are not covering 100% of cost for a large fleet buyer, they might not be too helpful to a private car buyer.

AFAIK my company did not pay for labour .We had to cover 20% of parts price.This year they ordered 100 new New Skoda Octavia and new Avensis.Opel got big middle finger pointed to them as deal was over at end of 2013

I would not go near Insignia diesel

Old diesel

mickdw wrote: »

Most of the cost! If they are not covering 100% of cost for a large fleet buyer, they might not be too helpful to a private car buyer.

Still well worth kicking up stink over - and get a compliant escalated as far up the Opel organisation in Ireland - or even Germany if not getting satisfaction.

4,500 euro bill on a 3 year old car IF its been well minded and serviced = and not abused in anway - is just no acceptable - and manufacturers (I don't think this sort of nonsense is confined to Opel sadly) need to start understanding this.

Push them hard* - remember you owe Opel no favours - your the customer that paid 30 grand for their Insignia 3 years ago - and now the car has developed a fault which it seems is far from unknown on this model.

*by all means be polite - but don't be afraid to argue your point with them

lomb

Its out of warranty though. So why should Opel cover the cost? The intrinsic value of a car is very little. Anyone who pays 30k for one is going to loose it one way or another. If warrantys mean that much the OP could have bought a Kia or Hynundai. Obviously they need to give long warranties or they wont sell any.
Saying that I think Vauxhall give a lifetime warranty or 10 years to the first purchaser in the UK. Obviously the clutch would be excluded but the DMF and gearbox probably wouldnt be. Ireland always gets the worst warranties so buyers should vote with their feet when buying if they want.

Old diesel

lomb wrote: »

Its out of warranty though. So why should Opel cover the cost? The intrinsic value of a car is very little. Anyone who pays 30k for one is going to loose it one way or another. If warrantys mean that much the OP could have bought a Kia or Hynundai. Obviously they need to give long warranties or they wont sell any.
Saying that I think Vauxhall give a lifetime warranty or 10 years to the first purchaser in the UK. Obviously the clutch would be excluded but the DMF and gearbox probably wouldnt be. Ireland always gets the worst warranties so buyers should vote with their feet when buying if they want.

Well its simple really - is a 4,500 bill after only 3 years acceptable for a fault that seems to crop up a bit in Insignias - earlier poster had 30 of them out of 120 with similar issues in the company fleet of his/her employer ???.

They aren't (probably) going to pay 100 percent of the bill - but assuming the mileage isn't very high - the cars well maintained and hasn't been abused - they should be making some contribution.

My own take is that you lose nothing by pushing for some assistance by Opel financially in terms of the cost of fixing it.

Btw - it seems Opel themselves agree to a point if they are making contributions towards this repair for a big fleet

lomb

Old diesel wrote: »

Well its simple really - is a 4,500 bill after only 3 years acceptable for a fault that seems to crop up a bit in Insignias - earlier poster had 30 of them out of 120 with similar issues in the company fleet of his/her employer ???.

They aren't (probably) going to pay 100 percent of the bill - but assuming the mileage isn't very high - the cars well maintained and hasn't been abused - they should be making some contribution.

My own take is that you lose nothing by pushing for some assistance by Opel financially in terms of the cost of fixing it.

Btw - it seems Opel themselves agree to a point if they are making contributions towards this repair for a big fleet

Yes but one of the posters admitted Opel majority paid for faults persumbly including the clutch a wear part yet they bought no new Opels. It sort of is acceptable morally to have a 4500 bill after 3 years but of course if many people do the car make will get a bad rep and no one will buy its cars.

Old diesel

lomb wrote: »

Yes but one of the posters admitted Opel majority paid for faults persumbly including the clutch a wear part yet they bought no new Opels. It sort of is acceptable morally to have a 4500 bill after 3 years but of course if many people do the car make will get a bad rep and no one will buy its cars.

They didn't buy the cars no - their employer - who runs a big fleet did.

IMO - the reason a car make would get a bad rep if many of their customers got 4,500 euro bills at 3 years old - is that - you shouldn't have to be paying 4,500 euro bills at 3 years old on a well maintained, sensibly drive modern car.

Unfortunately - silly bills on modern newer cars aren't unique to Opel - if it were - life would be far simpler - just avoid Opels.

Unfortunately it isn't unique to Opel and life is thus not so simple.

Naux

Figures for repair quote is over 4k as one of the other posters mentioned.

Needless to say I'm off to talk to Opel!!!!!

Thanks for all the replies /pointers.