Russia to move on Moldova?

losthorizon

Russia is beginning to make worrying noises about the Trans Dniester region of Moldova. This is a sliver of land on the Eastern side of the Dniester river which has a different ethnic population to the rest of Moldova.

Considering its done the same to Georgia and Ukraine its getting worrying - it already has troops in the area.

http://www.tol.org/client/article/24242-russia-us-face-off-over-transdniester-polish-disabled-activists-in-parliament-protest.html

Stavros Murphy

Jasus. And they used to be such peaceful people, the Russians. I wonder what has happened to bring this on?. Very out of character.

Frosty McSnowballs

Fcukin' Russia!

Will someone please buy Putin that Risk board game!

theKillerBite

Time for the EU to put more restrictions on exports of sunflower oil to Russia...

Sulla Felix

The west took the military option off the table. Putin reads that as "do what the fsck you want, son".
I'd be worried about the Baltic states if they weren't in NATO, think it's Latvia that has a 20% ethnic Russian population?

Lone Stone

Its bascially eu's fault, for pushing so close to Russia's borders. If they kept a healthy distance none of this would have happened.

losthorizon

Sulla Felix wrote: »

The west took the military option off the table. Putin reads that as "do what the fsck you want, son".
I'd be worried about the Baltic states if they weren't in NATO, think it's Latvia that has a 20% ethnic Russian population?

Its actually 27% "offically" but there are also belorussians who are very pro-russian as well.

Ten of Swords

Moldova has not had control of Transnistria since 1992, and elements of Russia's 14th Army have been permanently stationed there for over two decades. The EU has always considered this an illegal occupation but has never done anything about it.

jane82

Its a hard rain is gonna fall.

Hermy

losthorizon wrote: »

...its getting worrying...

Why?

Pumpkinseeds

Putin won't stop until he has all of the former USSR countries back. It's as simple as that, and no amount of sanctions will change that.

corkonion

it does seem like the response to the Crimea annexation was so pathetic that Russia realises it can do whatever the hell it want's and that Europe will just moan and cry about it and refuse to sell them apples.

Stavros Murphy

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Putin won't stop until he has all of the former USSR countries back. It's as simple as that, and no amount of sanctions will change that.

Sort of tsonsalg?

Amirani

Lone Stone wrote: »

Its bascially eu's fault, for pushing so close to Russia's borders. If they kept a healthy distance none of this would have happened.

How did the EU push close to Russia's borders?

suicide_circus

Transnistria is not Moldova. They are Russians. ****ing basket case if a place anyway.

Sulla Felix

Diego Simeone wrote: »

How did the EU push close to Russia's borders?

I don't agree, but they'll probably argue that the EU had no business expanding eastward or something.
The idea that eastern europe should have been left under Russias sphere of influence is retarded though, and explicity counter to the EUs raison d'etre.

Arthur Beesley

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Putin won't stop until he has all of the former USSR countries back. It's as simple as that, and no amount of sanctions will change that.

Indeed. Nukes might though. I suggest we nuke Germany as a warning to Russia.

suicide_circus

Sulla Felix wrote: »

I don't agree, but they'll probably argue that the EU had no business expanding eastward or something.
The idea that eastern europe should have been left under Russias sphere of influence is retarded though, and explicity counter to the EUs raison d'etre.

Russia doesn't quite get the whole "let nations vote to join our union/federation" idea. Russia takes by force and rules with an iron fist. Democracy is weakness.

dxhound2005

This could have implications for the Eurovision Song Contest.

Frank Lee Midere

Lone Stone wrote: »

Its bascially eu's fault, for pushing so close to Russia's borders. If they kept a healthy distance none of this would have happened.

Sure. We should respect not only Russia's borders but any claim on its neighbours.

Sulla Felix

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Indeed. Nukes might though. I suggest we nuke Germany as a warning to Russia.

Nukes are precisely why Ukraine is in the position it is. It was persuaded post-91 by the EU and Russia to give up it's nukes and that if it did, they would recieve a guarantee that their borders and status as a soveriegn would remain inviolate.
But just like with Czechoslovakia in 38, the west are rowing back on their promises.

Arthur Beesley

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This could have implications for the Eurovision Song Contest.

You think he's doing this to guarantee the eastern block votes? Makes sense.

Cantremember

Putin wants to re establish Russia as a great power. He will exploit Russian populations anywhere near his current borders to expand them. He wants to make Europe economically a vassal state. You are looking at a man living in 2014 with the mind of Attila the Hun. He is as close as you will get to having a country run by a wild animal with the cunning, instincts and inhumanity of a wild animal. He will keep pushing until he is stopped. It can't be by war given nuclear weapons so it will have to be back to the Cold War. Any further invasions, annexations, reintegration of Russian people must be met by closure of European borders to all Russian travel. Closure of their embassies, expulsion of citizens from Europe. They'll turn off the gas alright. But you can never pay blackmail.

Frank Lee Midere

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

Putin won't stop until he has all of the former USSR countries back. It's as simple as that, and no amount of sanctions will change that.

He won't get Germany. The rest, maybe.

Pumpkinseeds

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Indeed. Nukes might though. I suggest we nuke Germany as a warning to Russia.

An example of an intelligent response, not.

Arthur Beesley

Pumpkinseeds wrote: »

An example of an intelligent response, not.

An example of you being a ******* p****.

Sulla Felix

Cantremember wrote: »

Putin wants to re establish Russia as a great power. He will exploit Russian populations anywhere near his current borders to expand them. He wants to make Europe economically a vassal state. You are looking at a man living in 2014 with the mind of Attila the Hun. He is as close as you will get to having a country run by a wild animal with the cunning, instincts and inhumanity of a wild animal. He will keep pushing until he is stopped. It can't be by war given nuclear weapons so it will have to be back to the Cold War. Any further invasions, annexations, reintegration of Russian people must be met by closure of European borders to all Russian travel. Closure of their embassies, expulsion of citizens from Europe. They'll turn off the gas alright. But you can never pay blackmail.

The problem is that we get 25% of our gas needs from Russia. That can't be replaced overnight. So, if we do that, we have to be willing to economically cripple our selves in the short to medium term.

The Diabolical Monocle

Some sort of cultural banner marches through the area might help.

Amirani

Sulla Felix wrote: »

The problem is that we get 25% of our gas needs from Russia. That can't be replaced overnight. So, if we do that, we have to be willing to economically cripple our selves in the short to medium term.

I presume by us you mean the EU? Most Irish and British gas comes from the North Sea/Corrib Gas.

If Russia does pull the plug, there's plenty of energy available from Norway and North America that will fill the gap if the need requires. Russia will find it very difficult to sell its gas elsewhere in the short to medium term though. The EU does need to start seriously pushing renewable energy and that may include more nuclear.

on the river

Russia will invade moldova, europe and then the world.

Stavros Murphy

Cantremember wrote: »

Putin wants to re establish Russia as a great power. He will exploit Russian populations anywhere near his current borders to expand them. He wants to make Europe economically a vassal state. You are looking at a man living in 2014 with the mind of Attila the Hun. He is as close as you will get to having a country run by a wild animal with the cunning, instincts and inhumanity of a wild animal. He will keep pushing until he is stopped. It can't be by war given nuclear weapons so it will have to be back to the Cold War. Any further invasions, annexations, reintegration of Russian people must be met by closure of European borders to all Russian travel. Closure of their embassies, expulsion of citizens from Europe. They'll turn off the gas alright. But you can never pay blackmail.

I'm not so sure. I heard he had very compromising pictures of Francoise Hollande and Angela Merkel allegedly buying chronic in a dodgy suburb of Brussels. I reckon he'll keep pushing as long as he can ensure their silence.

Cantremember

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

I'm not so sure. I heard he had very compromising pictures of Francoise Hollande and Angela Merkel allegedly buying chronic in a dodgy suburb of Brussels. I reckon he'll keep pushing as long as he can ensure their silence.

The only thing I read was that Merkel thinks Putin is mentally unstable.

Hermy

It's interesting that the US and UK are making such a song and dance about Russia's lack of regard for international boundaries. Yet when it suits them they show the same disregard.

Stavros Murphy

Cantremember wrote: »

The only thing I read was that Merkel thinks Putin is mentally unstable.

Could be true, I heard he suffered from KGB when he was growing up. Most people who have KGB tend to go on to be enormous cnuts.

Putin has stated in the past that he intends restoring Russia to it's former position, which I took to mean an annoying grey kip full of warmongering land-grabbers crapping on the neighbours and polluting stuff. I Guess he's a man of his word.

Seaneh

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

an annoying grey kip full of warmongering land-grabbers crapping on the neighbours and polluting stuff. I Guess he's a man of his word.

You talking about Russia, Britain or the US here?

Stavros Murphy

Seaneh wrote: »

You talking about Russia, Britain or the US here?

Take your pick. It depends who has the better media, tbh.

Frank Lee Midere

Seaneh wrote: »

You talking about Russia, Britain or the US here?

The false dilemma argument rears it's ugly head. Again.

And Britain?

JONJO THE MISER

One question i got to ask, have any of ye ever seen a russian smile.

on the river

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

One question i got to ask, have any of ye ever seen a russian smile.

ya when playing russian roulette:D

c_man

Put me in charge of defending against the Russian invasion, I've played Command & Conquer Red Alert more times than I can remember. They're only as tough as their Tesla coils.

Stavros Murphy

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

One question i got to ask, have any of ye ever seen a russian smile.

In Russia, smiling somthing, somthing ..you. Who could smile while being so misunderstood - all they want is peace. A peace of here, a peace of there...

Renegade Mechanic

Pieces of America scattered everywhere!:D

wendell borton

on the river wrote: »

Russia will invade moldova, europe and then the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP6BhAdhSKs

fran17

maybe if nato keep talking about it Russia will pull back

Slutmonkey57b

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

This is serious. Please stop trying to drag this down to the level of the gutter.

Then why is it in after hours?

Stavros Murphy

Slutmonkey57b wrote: »

Then why is it in after hours?

Regions wasn't big enough.

on the river

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

Regions wasn't big enough.

http://i.imgur.com/bGtIrL2.jpg

Seaneh

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

The false dilemma argument rears it's ugly head. Again.

And Britain?

There is no false dilemma. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is actually not even half as bad as the US does in central and south america or what Britain has historically done to other nations near and far.

There is this sacred belief from the convervitards and anglophlies on boards that anyone who points out the shocking actions of America and the UK when trying to offer a bit of balance in conversations about Russia is somehow supporting Russia. I'm not and usually they are not either.

What is happening in the Ukraine right now is entirely the fault of the US (and the EU to a lesser extent, but they stopped meddling when they realised there was no good outcome here, sometime around the turn of the year).

The major difference between what Russia does in Georgia, Maldova and Crimea is that they have genuine ethnic connections to the people in the regions they are currently occupying.

The US and UK just ride rough shode over half the planet for the last 50 odd years, killing and maiming millions, deposing democratically elected governments, propping up despots and dictators and generally being cu*ts for no other end goal but the gain of wealthy private entities and not a peep out of the usual peons, but the second someone the governments they sycophantically praise does something naughty it's faux outrage and war mongering.

It's hilarious.

AllGunsBlazing

jane82 wrote: »

Its a hard rain is gonna fall.

Dry with ocassional showers afaik.

Frank Lee Midere

Seaneh wrote: »

There is no false dilemma. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is actually not even half as bad as the US does in central and south america or what Britain has historically done to other nations near and far.

There is this sacred belief from the convervitards and anglophlies on boards that anyone who points out the shocking actions of America and the UK when trying to offer a bit of balance in conversations about Russia is somehow supporting Russia. I'm not and usually they are not either.

What is happening in the Ukraine right now is entirely the fault of the US (and the EU to a lesser extent, but they stopped meddling when they realised there was no good outcome here, sometime around the turn of the year).

The major difference between what Russia does in Georgia, Maldova and Crimea is that they have genuine ethnic connections to the people in the regions they are currently occupying.

The US and UK just ride rough shode over half the planet for the last 50 odd years, killing and maiming millions, deposing democratically elected governments, propping up despots and dictators and generally being cu*ts for no other end goal but the gain of wealthy private entities and not a peep out of the usual peons, but the second someone the governments they sycophantically praise does something naughty it's faux outrage and war mongering.

It's hilarious.

Nope. Still seeing a false dilemma here. Maybe you should look up what that means before you post more embarrassing tripe.

EDIT: and you should also look up why Russia has ethnic interests in those parts of the world which aren't Russian.

Frank Lee Midere

For the record I think the US shouldn't act outside its borders not was the British Empire legit. Nor the Roman Empire.

But the latter two are all done now.

Back to Russia.