Salary/Wages Poll (Anonymous)

FURET

I'm interested in doing a poll of this forum to see what the general trend here is salary/wages wise.

Mrs OBumble

I don't know about anyone else, but this isn't something which I'm going to answer in a public forum.

I might have been willing to say something like gross is between 30 and 60k. But net, and in 10k bands - not a chance.

amdublin

I agree with Mrs obumble.

Why so you want this info anyway???

"a survey of what salary boards users are on"


Plus is this one of these polls where we can then click into and see who voted what?

No thank you!

Ann Landers

The poll is anonymous.

endacl

Ann Landers wrote: »

The poll is anonymous.

Cool. I may or may not have participated. Honestly.

Ann Landers

endacl wrote: »

Cool. I may or may not have participated. Honestly.

I can understand posters fretting that it might not be anonymous. Not me though, steaming ahead without thinking, as always! :pac:

Mrs OBumble

Ann Landers wrote: »

The poll is anonymous.

If you vote in a poll on boards.ie, then the vote may be visible to people who view your boards.ie profile.

If this information is combined with other posts that you've made, then you might find that it's not an anonymous as you think.

Just sayin'. (with my moderator-hat half on - some people don't think thru the cumulative effect of their posts.)

FURET

I'm curious because it seems that many of the posts on this forum and the work problems forum relate to low paying jobs, so I wanted to see whether this would be borne out in a poll of the forum. The poll was categorized as anonymous when it was created; people can decide for themselves whether they want to answer.

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If you vote in a poll on boards.ie, then the vote may be visible to people who view your boards.ie profile.

Out of curiosity, how is the vote itself visible to someone who views your profile when the poll is anonymous? I mean, just because someone has participated in a polled thread, it doesn't mean that they have actually responded to the poll.

Ann Landers

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

If you vote in a poll on boards.ie, then the vote may be visible to people who view your boards.ie profile.

Explain how.

KERSPLAT!

Ann Landers wrote: »

Explain how.

Waiting on full clarification from those above but I'm pretty certain that an anonymous poll means exactly that, it is completely anonymous.

Stheno

FURET wrote: »

I'm curious because it seems that many of the posts on this forum and the work problems forum relate to low paying jobs, so I wanted to see whether this would be borne out in a poll of the forum. The poll was categorized as anonymous when it was created; people can decide for themselves whether they want to answer.


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If you consider the responses that people give on here, there are a significant number of people on here with lots of experience in quite senior jobs who give plenty of advice.

I would not expect any of them to divulge their salary, nor am I interested in knowing what posters earn.

I enjoy using my experience to give others advice on here, and occasionally seeking advice knowing such posters are here, but don't give a stuff where they work, how much they earn, rather I appreciated their input

GIven the age profile of boards is grossly over represented by the under thirties I would expect the average wage to be low were it to be surveyed.

MayoSalmon

Why are people so secretive about salary?

efb

online polls are v accurate... , €1,000,000

Stheno

MayoSalmon wrote: »

Why are people so secretive about salary?

Numerous reasons I have come across:

1. Companies forbid you to talk about it
2. As a contractor you earn double what permanent staff do
3. As a permanent employee you want someone to come on board permanently but know as a contractor they will earn less
4. Competition from other companies.

Ann Landers

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Waiting on full clarification from those above but I'm pretty certain that an anonymous poll means exactly that, it is completely anonymous.

Well, if it's not, that's a pretty serious thing for boards.ie to claim. I'd imagine anonymous means anonymous.

Ann Landers

Stheno wrote: »

If you consider the responses that people give on here, there are a significant number of people on here with lots of experience in quite senior jobs who give plenty of advice.

But we're not talking about responses, we're talking about the poll, which is anonymous.

Stheno

Ann Landers wrote: »

But we're not talking about responses, we're talking about the poll, which is anonymous.

not to the admins they can see all user posts and polls

2Mad2BeMad

wheres the 100e per week option :L:L

ILikeBananas

why net salay? That's just awkward

whatnext

Interesting that c. 16.5% of voters earn over 100k or over c.59k nett.

NB. I know I've made lots of assumptions there........

KERSPLAT!

Stheno wrote: »

not to the admins they can see all user posts and polls

Can they, yeah? Where's the source of this information?

Eoin

FURET wrote: »

I'm curious because it seems that many of the posts on this forum and the work problems forum relate to low paying jobs, so I wanted to see whether this would be borne out in a poll of the forum

Not that it matters to me either way, but are you just curious about boards.ie users' salaries in general, or specifically if people who tend to post about a work issue are more likely to be in lower paying jobs?

If it's the latter, then there could well be many experienced people in more senior positions who don't start threads, but participate here (as Stheno pointed out). If they answer the poll, it's going to skew the results.

KERSPLAT!

So I've just had clarification, mods nor admins can check who has voted or what they have voted for in an anonymous poll

Ann Landers

Stheno wrote: »

not to the admins they can see all user posts and polls

Can they? I'd love some clarification on this. Because if a poll is anonymous, it should be completely anonymous, and if it isn't that should be made clear to responders.

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

So I've just had clarification, mods nor admins can check who has voted or what they have voted for in an anonymous poll

Oh, thanks! That's good. Can you show proof of the clarification?

KERSPLAT!

Ann Landers wrote: »

Can they? I'd love some clarification on this. Because if a poll is anonymous, it should be completely anonymous, and if it isn't that should be made clear to responders.



Oh, thanks! That's good. Can you show proof of the clarification?

I can't as it was posted in the mod forum but I will ask an Admin to comment here

Eoin

This is all I can see as a mod - can we leave it at that?

Ann Landers

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I can't as it was posted in the mod forum but I will ask an Admin to comment here

Thanks.

Geuze

Note that "net" salary is open to interpretation.

It should be:

(1) Gross - tax - USC - PRSI.

But some may consider it:

(2) Gross less tax+USC+PRSI less pension conts

And in the public service, there is the PRD as well as pension conts:

(3) Gross less tax+USC+PRSI less pension conts less PRD

There are other deductions that some people might include, e.g. health insurance, PHI, union fees, etc.

Mrs OBumble

Thank Kersplat! for asking.

My first thought was wrong, and I apologise for the confusion: there is a feature in poll-setup which allows the orginal pollster to say that the results are anonymous, meaning that individual vost are not publically visible. And this feature isn't available to moderators (so we can't unset it, take a sneaky peak, and then set it back again!)

But still, the poll has a feature to stop you voting twice. I would be very very surprised if there's not some way for administrators to be able to see who voted for what. Granted they probably won't bother (unless the guards get a warrant or suchlike), but it's at least theoretically possble - and I still aren't voting.



Back to the poll itself - I also reckon it's got a flaw. The options are basically
Wage - less than minimum or minimum
Salary - more than that.

But lots of wage workers (ie folks who get paid for each hour they work) earn a lot more than minimum wage.

Zascar

Salaries are always quoted Gross - personally I think the poll should be done that way, but probably too late. The bands are pretty narrow, not much of a pattern there. Is there some more offical figures for Ireland?

This might be interesting to some:

FURET

Fair point Zascar,

I specified net because to me, that's what you really have in your pocket every month. The taxed amount is a sum you never get to spend or touch; so for most people, gross is really just a notional amount.

Zascar

True but Net can be different depending on your circumstances also

Martin567

FURET wrote: »

Fair point Zascar,

I specified net because to me, that's what you really have in your pocket every month. The taxed amount is a sum you never get to spend or touch; so for most people, gross is really just a notional amount.

Everyone knows what they they receive net each week or month but they will seldom know off the top of their head what this equates to on an annual basis. The standard way of describing salary is gross. As Zascar says, a married person will often have a higher net pay than a single person on the same gross pay.

I would guess that using net for this poll is also likely to mess up the results. This could be due to people either misreading the poll or else simply overestimating their net annual income. For example, a single person on a gross pay of €80k is very likely to have a net pay of somewhere in the region of €50k.

The chart provided by Zascar shows approximately 22% of people earning a gross pay of €50k or greater per annum. This poll would have that figure at somewhere in the region of 40%. Is it realistic that 40% of all those who voted in this poll are earning €50k or more every year? Perhaps it is, maybe more higher earners use this website!

Zascar

Martin567 wrote: »

Everyone knows what they they receive net each week or month but they will seldom know off the top of their head what this equates to on an annual basis.

Really? I'd be surprised tbh. Everyone knows their gross annual salary. Ok minimum wage or very low paid people maybe woudn't know, but surely everyone else does. It's what's advertised on job websites, you negotiate it when you go for the job, and it doesn't change too much. I work in sales so my monthly payment vary wildly so I'd find it hard to tell you net monthly as its always different, but I know what my on target earnings are and what I grossed over the last few years etc.

Anyway, if you did this exact same poll in After Hours you'd get very different results I'd immagine.

Sir Chops

Zascar wrote: »

Salaries are always quoted Gross - personally I think the poll should be done that way, but probably too late. The bands are pretty narrow, not much of a pattern there. Is there some more offical figures for Ireland?

This might be interesting to some:

Whoops I entered gross amount on the poll