1.6 Petrol 5 series launched

Stallingrad

Who would have thought such a thing could ever exist?

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/bmw/86500/bmw-5-series-gets-16-litre-turbo-greece

boombang

Interesting that fuel economy and emissions are worse than the larger engine. I'm sure somebody will have a good explanation for that.

MadYaker

discombobulate

boombang wrote: »

Interesting that fuel economy and emissions are worse than the larger engine. I'm sure somebody will have a good explanation for that.

Nuts. It's only for the greek market though which the article says has high tax for higher sized engine cars

Foxhole Norman

It's only for Greece though due to their ridiculous tax rates, won't be seen anywhere else according to BMW.

Mycroft H

That's still quite powerful for a 1.6l engine. 170bhp is not bad.

Sure the Passat has a 1.4tsi engine; I don't see whats the fuss is all about apart from BMW fanboys lamenting the demise of big capacity BMWs.

larchill

Ah - "penalizes vehicles fitted with higher displacement engines. " - sound familiar. A Paddy solution to a Paddy problem! Would've gone down well here back in the pre CO2 days

Stallingrad

Mycroft H wrote: »

That's still quite powerful for a 1.6l engine. 170bhp is not bad.

With BMW's reputation when it comes to engines what's the worst that can happen with their over stressed 1.6?

jimgoose

boombang wrote: »

Interesting that fuel economy and emissions are worse than the larger engine. I'm sure somebody will have a good explanation for that.

Because a 5-series weighs about two tonnes and that engine has to howl its little hole out in order to shift it. Sometimes more is less.

jimgoose

larchill wrote: »

Ah - "penalizes vehicles fitted with higher displacement engines. " - sound familiar. A Paddy solution to a Paddy problem! Would've gone down well here back in the pre CO2 days

105 BHP/l from a turbocharged unit isn't too outrageous at all. I wonder what the service interval is like.

HandsomeDan

larchill wrote: »

Ah - "penalizes vehicles fitted with higher displacement engines. " - sound familiar. A Paddy solution to a Paddy problem! Would've gone down well here back in the pre CO2 days

???

Most countries' motor tax was based on CC, and then changed to CO2 - nothing uniquely Irish about that.

Japs still tax based on CC.

pcardin

By reading just a subject line my first thought was - must be made specifically for Ireland. But then read it was for Greece.

Sobanek

Something a bit more interesting :P

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2014/04/bmw-9-series-concept-rumored-beijing.html

Oafley Jones

Mycroft H wrote: »

That's still quite powerful for a 1.6l engine. 170bhp is not bad.

Sure the Passat has a 1.4tsi engine; I don't see whats the fuss is all about apart from BMW fanboys lamenting the demise of big capacity BMWs.

520d is only 184hp, and the 518d 143hp. Coincidentally nearly all the new 5 series I've seen lately are debadged. This must be Good news for those of us looking to pick up a 535 second hand in a few years. /s

Sobanek

518d is debadged as standard :pac:

Marcusm

Mycroft H wrote: »

That's still quite powerful for a 1.6l engine. 170bhp is not bad.

Sure the Passat has a 1.4tsi engine; I don't see whats the fuss is all about apart from BMW fanboys lamenting the demise of big capacity BMWs.

Or even more extreme, a MOndeo with a 1.0 litre engine.

BMJD

Sobanek wrote: »

518d is debadged as standard :pac:

the official phrase is "de-embarrassed"

Viper_JB

I can see it doing really well in Ireland sadly enough, people are will to spend 10's of thousands to save a few hundred on the tax...

MuppetCheck

Viper_JB wrote: »

I can see it doing really well in Ireland sadly enough, people are will to spend 10's of thousands to save a few hundred on the tax...

That's making the assumption that motor tax is the only reason why the Irish 5 series buy the 520d (or probably soon the 518d).

Viper_JB

MuppetCheck wrote: »

That's making the assumption that motor tax is the only reason why the Irish 5 series buy the 520d (or probably soon the 518d).

I'd say it's a swinging factor for quiet a few, it seems like a lot of people just want the badge as cheaply as possible, so this will be the new poverty spec 5 series both in engine and probably in extras too.

Drummerboy08

Viper_JB wrote: »

I'd say it's a swinging factor for quiet a few, it seems like a lot of people just want the badge as cheaply as possible, so this will be the new poverty spec 5 series both in engine and probably in extras too.

I dont think thats the case at all. I think people are more concerned about spec than engine - in my experience of it people are going for a couple of options over a 6 cyl diesel.

bazz26

The percentage of 520d's compared to other 5 Series models in the UK is high too so it's not just an Irish thing. These versions are popular because there is an attraction to owning a medium sized executive car that comes with relatively low running costs. Majority of people would prefer to spec the equipment up over engines. 184bhp and 45/50mpg is enough for most I'd image.

Viper_JB

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

I dont think thats the case at all. I think people are more concerned about spec than engine - in my experience of it people are going for a couple of options over a 6 cyl diesel.

I've always found the spec in the smaller engine 5 series to be terrible over here...but I've not spent a huge amount of time checking out the market in my experience though the 530's and 535's are where it's at spec wise and to a lesser extent the 525's, hard to generalize with cars though.

Viper_JB

bazz26 wrote: »

The percentage of 520d's compared to other 5 Series models in the UK is high too so it's not just an Irish thing. These versions are popular because there is an attraction to owning a medium sized executive car that comes with relatively low running costs. Majority of people would prefer to spec the equipment up over engines. 184bhp and 45/50mpg is enough for most I'd image.

And work cars, much easier to justify a base level 5 series then top of the range when work is paying.

MadYaker

I'm slightly worried that in about 10 years when insurance is cheaper for me and I (hopefully) have a good job there'll be a serious lack of used barges and german saloons with big petrol engines

Drummerboy08

Viper_JB wrote: »

I've always found the spec in the smaller engine 5 series to be terrible over here...but I've not spent a huge amount of time checking out the market in my experience though the 530's and 535's are where it's at spec wise and to a lesser extent the 525's, hard to generalize with cars though.

What is your idea of good spec, and what generation car are you looking at?

hoodie6029

jimgoose wrote: »

105 BHP/l from a turbocharged unit isn't too outrageous at all. I wonder what the service interval is like.

20,000km or on catastrophic failure whichecer comes first.....:pac:

Moneymaker

Boy that's gonna be a hit in Ireland. Don't forget the cloth seats and keep fit windows in the back lads!

Performance figures aren't bad in all fairness.

bazz26

Moneymaker wrote: »

Boy that's gonna be a hit in Ireland. Don't forget the cloth seats and keep fit windows in the back lads!

Performance figures aren't bad in all fairness.

It's being sold in Greece only.

Redsoxfan

Seems odd that they would do this specifically for a market as small as Greece.

Guy:Incognito

Viper_JB wrote: »

I can see it doing really well in Ireland sadly enough, people are will to spend 10's of thousands to save a few hundred on the tax...

Over what? It outputs higher co2 than tbe 2.0 petrol and withoit checking , the 2.0d too.

veetwin

bazz26 wrote: »

The percentage of 520d's compared to other 5 Series models in the UK is high too so it's not just an Irish thing. These versions are popular because there is an attraction to owning a medium sized executive car that comes with relatively low running costs. Majority of people would prefer to spec the equipment up over engines. 184bhp and 45/50mpg is enough for most I'd image.

+1.

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. 6 cylinder 5 series are significantly more expensive new and the 520d is plenty powerful enough for the masses. Even in Germany, France and Spain the 520d is way more common than any other version. Also even the lowest spec ones are very well equipped compared to bmws of 10 years ago.

bazz26

That engine is already available in smaller BMWs and MINIs so it probably doesn't cost that much to re-engineer it given the amount of them they will sell there.

Wait until they start thinking about adding a 3 cylinder diesel engine one for the Irish market, a 520d will then be seen as a large engine in a 5 Series when the 514d arrives.

MadYaker

I wonder what the service interval on it is? Fairly regular id say considering it must be busting its balls to move a 5 series, imagine the estate version with a 1.6 :eek:

mickdw

I thought it was a 516d they were proposing.
A 1.6T petrol with 170 bhp should be quite sufficient as an entry level engine I would have thought.
If this gets a wider release than greece which Im sure it will, maybe, just maybe it will be the start of a return to petrol power across a broad range of cars.

ShadowHearth

I am just waiting for irish version 50-5 version.

Sobanek

Actually, we get a very decent spec here.
Base price for a 518d in Poland is €42,000 compared to €43,930 here and they don't include heated seats, leather and navigation!
It's €44,580 with these included and the VRT for that car is 3.1% in Poland, not 17%