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We Need To Talk About Slow Play

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    Beaten to it. Wonder is it expensive or/and effective?

    GREENi is very effective, in most cases where we have put it into a course we have shaved off about 10 minutes per round. Where it was surprisingly effective was in highlighting the bottle necks, remember course design and setup have a huge effect on the time of a round. With Castleknock the system identified the 2nd as a bottle neck but rather than look at changing the the time spacing it was decided to make the 1st a little harder, use the back tee box more, let the rough grow and tightened the fairway a little.

    J


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,557 ✭✭✭sydneybound


    GREENi is very effective, in most cases where we have put it into a course we have shaved off about 10 minutes per round. Where it was surprisingly effective was in highlighting the bottle necks, remember course design and setup have a huge effect on the time of a round. With Castleknock the system identified the 2nd as a bottle neck but rather than look at changing the the time spacing it was decided to make the 1st a little harder, use the back tee box more, let the rough grow and tightened the fairway a little.

    J

    Nice bit of interesting background there.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Goldenjohn wrote: »
    Firstly, Never gonna play a boards outing after this thread......

    I wouldn't base a judgement like that on what people said about 2 rounds. The first one mentioned wasn't our fault and it was only 2 groups held up as far as i can remember. We're going a few years now and that was the first time slow play has been brought up so your comment is a bit harsh.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 18,335 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    It's been posted a while back but I just want to state that there are some courses with natural bottlenecks that cause delay e.g. par 3 second can be a disaster or where you have to walk back from the direction in which you went onto the green to get to the next tee box and the group behind you have to wait for all this to happen.
    Agree with the other side of the coin regarding comments on the group behind playing balls up your hole, that's both dangerous and simply knob acting.
    HOWEVER, even with slow play there is nothing more annoying that a single player in your group going on about slow play throughout the round, when its slow, its slow, and we all know when certain courses are packed in 4ball outings it just going to be slow, you do need a level of acceptance in these circumstances and just get on with it.
    Slow golf is a hell of a lot better than no golf (at times)...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭moycullen14



    I play on ladies day in my place and many men could learn from watching them. Yes they don't hit the ball far. But -
    Very fast walking, No hanging around, ready to hit, no hands on head or crying about a missed putt.


    +1

    We had a 'heated debate' recently about Women playing on Sunday mornings. My view was that I wished they took over the time-sheet completely as they motor around the course at a good pace. As said above, they mightn't hit it too far, but it's 'Hit, walk, hit, walk'. Rarely losing balls or having to spend time looking for them.

    Also, women in my experience want to do things 'right'. You don't get the 'It's my round and I'll take as long as I like' rubbish from them. I played behind a ladies 3 ball last Sunday, in front of them was a 3-ball containing some of the luminaries from the men's committee. The contrast couldn't have been more stark.

    Woe betide the junior that gets in their way on Ladies day though. That would cure you of slow play for life :)

    It must be said that they're great for sex too!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    Slow or fast.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,374 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    I play on ladies day in my place

    Something to share with us????? :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    Women are the complete disaster in our place. They are always out in the middle of the men's comp and never keep up. Come across a 4 ball of them having a picnic 13th one day, was in a casual round but still :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,138 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Slow or fast.

    As long as it's approx 3 and a half hours they're usually happy.

    Can't do a minute over 4 hours myself... Hips go and the tired swings come into it then.

    Have to agree with MoyC, give me a group of women up ahead any day... For pace of play reasons.
    Hit, walk, hit, walk.
    No messing around looking for balls.
    No ego if they're falling behind.

    Throw 2 men into a mixed foursome and it's a different story.

    Me Man. Me no let through other man. Me worried they steal my woman and bring them back to their village.

    Finally got let through a mixed foursome when a lady in the group had to spend 3 holes reasoning with one of the men. She apologised on his behalf after thd round. Caveman stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    stevieob wrote: »
    Something to share with us????? :eek:

    Always keep your options open.

    Also can't win against men.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭moycullen14


    Slow or fast.

    As I said above, they want it done 'right' :)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,023 Mod ✭✭✭✭charlieIRL


    Women are the complete disaster in our place. They are always out in the middle of the men's comp and never keep up. Come across a 4 ball of them having a picnic 13th one day, was in a casual round but still :D

    Myself and slave played a round last year in the middle of ladies day. They would teach you a think or 2 about keeping the pace up. We went around in a comfortable 2h:50mins.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭snaphook


    It's the little things that all add up.

    Take on the greens.
    Some wait until whoever is away first to putt before they even begin reading their putts.
    You should be ready to play once the other players ball comes to rest imo.

    Also, marking short 1-2 foot putts. Your tour card or thousands of Euro's are not at stake here. PUTT OUT.

    Whoever holes out first is responsible for the Flagstick. It's a simple rule to play by.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,893 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    snaphook wrote: »

    Whoever holes out first is responsible for the Flagstick. It's a simple rule to play by.

    I hate when I'm last to putt and have to put the flagstick in. It's usually people that are totally unaware of time on the course.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,664 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    I mark 1-2 foot putts. Reason being, i have the yips and if i just stand up to tap the putt in, I'll likely miss. Which is no good off my handicap.

    i pretty much have to mark it and replace it before i can finish it and then i usually get it :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    etxp wrote: »
    I hate when I'm last to putt and have tinpot the flagstick in. It's usually people that are totally unaware of time on the course.

    Makes zero difference to pace of play but I do it out or courtesy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,505 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Makes zero difference to pace of play but I do it out or courtesy.

    it slows down the last player
    they have to go get the flag and then get their ball/put the flag in?

    surely its faster for them to not have to go get the flag?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭josie19


    snaphook wrote: »
    It's the little things that all add up.

    Take on the greens.
    Some wait until whoever is away first to putt before they even begin reading their putts.
    You should be ready to play once the other players ball comes to rest imo.

    Also, marking short 1-2 foot putts. Your tour card or thousands of Euro's are not at stake here. PUTT OUT.

    Whoever holes out first is responsible for the Flagstick. It's a simple rule to play by.

    +1

    and whoever is closest is responsible for taking it out - logical and simple !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    GreeBo wrote: »
    it slows down the last player
    they have to go get the flag and then get their ball/put the flag in?

    surely its faster for them to not have to go get the flag?

    Unless you are leaving the flag at the opposite side of the green, it takes 10 seconds at most. Worst case scenario is your playing with a load of ignorant fcuks and the last person picks up the flag on every hole; you are looking at maximum 3 minutes to the round. It's largely irrelevant if you are keeping up with the pace of play anyway, plus I've never been in round were the last person putting out has always put the flag in.

    To be honest I hate people moving around the green when I or other players are putting. If I am putting out from the same side of the hole as the flag, it's quicker for me to putt and pop the flag back in rather than wait for another player to walk around pick up the flag before I putt; with the other player popping the flag in. Sometimes applying a bit of common sense is better.

    It makes zero difference to the pace of play as it will even itself out over a round.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭josie19


    Unless you are leaving the flag at the opposite side of the green, it takes 10 seconds at most. Worst case scenario is your playing with a load of ignorant fcuks and the last person picks up the flag on every hole; you are looking at maximum 3 minutes to the round. It's largely irrelevant if you are keeping up with the pace of play anyway, plus I've never been in round were the last person putting out has always put the flag in.

    To be honest I hate people moving around the green when I or other players are putting. If I am putting out from the same side of the hole as the flag, it's quicker for me to putt and pop the flag back in rather than wait for another player to walk around pick up the flag before I putt; with the other player popping the flag in. Sometimes applying a bit of common sense is better.

    It makes zero difference to the pace of play as it will even itself out over a round.

    The first guy in the hole picks up the flag and stands out of your way. You hole out and he puts the flag back when you take your ball out.

    Very bad etiquette to leave the last man holing out replace the flag as well.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    josie19 wrote: »
    +1

    and whoever is closest is responsible for taking it out - logical and simple !

    That's common sense and it's not too hard to ask the person to do it if they are messing around. Hence this should not be an issue full stop. If you are not asking the person closest to grab the pin (if they are not automatically doing it), you are just as responsible for the slow play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    josie19 wrote: »
    The first guy in the hole picks up the flag and stands out of your way. You hole out and he puts the flag back when you take your ball out.

    Very bad etiquette to leave the last man holing out replace the flag as well.

    But the argument is you should be read to play. If you are all ready to play but you all have to wait for the first person to move around the green, then play is being slowed.

    It's bad etiquette but arguing it's slow play? Give me break please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭josie19


    But the argument is you should be read to play. If you are all ready to play but you all have to wait for the first person to move around the green, then play is being slowed.

    It's bad etiquette but arguing it's slow play? Give me break please.

    I don't understand the point you are making. The guy nearest the pin takes the flag out and places it out of the way of others putting. The first guy to hole out goes to the flag and picks it up (out of people way). As the last guy holes out the flag holder replaces the flag. Nobody is waiting for anything except the last guy holding the flag who is waiting for the last person to hole out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭Dealerz


    josie19 wrote: »
    I don't understand the point you are making. The guy nearest the pin takes the flag out and places it out of the way of others putting. The first guy to hole out goes to the flag and picks it up (out of people way). As the last guy holes out the flag holder replaces the flag. Nobody is waiting for anything except the last guy holding the flag who is waiting for the last person to hole out.

    Is this just plain obvious- the guy finished putting holds flag until all finished putting then he replaces flag? Any other way is just bloody bonkers!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,038 ✭✭✭RoadRunner


    Personal thoughts.

    GREENi -yes. (good move c'knock)

    Removing 4balls from golf,
    shouting at or hitting balls into the group ahead,
    drawing circles around the hole
    -no.

    If you freak out everytime someone takes a practice swing or lasers the pin then you're trying to squeeze 18holes into too short of a time window. Try Tennis :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    josie19 wrote: »
    I don't understand the point you are making. The guy nearest the pin takes the flag out and places it out of the way of others putting. The first guy to hole out goes to the flag and picks it up (out of people way). As the last guy holes out the flag holder replaces the flag. Nobody is waiting for anything except the last guy holding the flag who is waiting for the last person to hole out.

    The person closest to the pin, lifts it out and sets it to one side. It is likely first person to hole out is not the same person and conceivable everyone isn't putting from same sides. If everyone is supposed to be ready to play, then you play once the first person picks their ball out of the hole and not once the first person moves around to pick up the flag. That's slow play..... So if the last person has to do it, it's largely irrelevant as it's evens itself out.

    What is perceived to be slow in reality is just bad etiquette.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    Dealerz wrote: »
    Is this just plain obvious- the guy finished putting holds flag until all finished putting then he replaces flag? Any other way is just bloody bonkers!

    Actually you should be moving out of everyone's peripheral vision (or not causing a shadow on their line) first so they can putt. Ideally the first person should replace the flag but as I say sometimes you need to apply common sense and not be running around the green like lunatic.

    For example Player 1, lifts the flag and sets it to the side. Player 4 putts out and is expected to walk around and pick up the flag. It's winter or late evening and the player 4 is now casting a shadow on 1 or more of the other players lines and has to walk around to the side (around everyone's putting lines) of the hole they were originally on. This is slower than the last person replacing the flag. Likewise if the player 1 has to place the flag somewhere convenient for player 4, they are messing around while they should be preparing to putt (reading line etc...).

    Common sense should prevail in these situations, including ignoring etiquette.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭josie19


    Actually you should be moving out of everyone's peripheral vision (or not causing a shadow on their line) first so they can putt. Ideally the first person should replace the flag but as I say sometimes you need to apply common sense and not be running around the green like lunatic.

    For example Player 1, lifts the flag and sets it to the side. Player 4 putts out and is expected to walk around and pick up the flag. It's winter or late evening and the player 4 is now casting a shadow on 1 or more of the other players lines and has to walk around to the side (around everyone's putting lines) of the hole they were originally on. This is slower than the last person replacing the flag. Likewise if the player 1 has to place the flag somewhere convenient for player 4, they are messing around while they should be preparing to putt (reading line etc...).

    Common sense should prevail in these situations, including ignoring etiquette.

    How to make something simple into something else ...

    I offer a white flag now ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    josie19 wrote: »
    How to make something simple into something else ...

    I offer a white flag now ;)

    Like I say, sometime we need to apply some common sense to the situation rather than saying it's slow play for the sake of it.

    Bad etiquette != slow play

    ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    josie19 wrote: »
    How to make something simple into something else ...

    I offer a white flag now ;)

    If your playing winter golf when the sun is lower in the sky, the shadow scenario is the norm on certain days. Sometimes it's just not practical on holes for people to be running around greens, especially on large greens too :)


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