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Newbie with 2k to spend

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Fanny Brioscaí


    Beau wrote: »
    Well, I went out to Kinsealy today, I tried Talyor Made's, Ping's and the above. I have to say I really liked the Callaway's! I'm going to pop out again tomorrow and give them another go before I go for it. The guy didn't recommend getting them fitted as my swing should change a fair bit in the next few months.

    I told the sales guy about the voucher, so of course when I asked how much he quoted me the full price of €1700 :eek: No budging either, saying he can't with the voucher . That's before any gear or even a putter! So much for going nuts! It'd be about €160 cheaper if I go with the X2 driver and woods which I also liked. I do need wet gear as well so I'll probably do that. I can use an old bag that I have and an old trolley. It's just a little disappointing. Never the less I'll go somewhere else and not mention the voucher until I get to the checkout and after haggling.

    If you decide on the clubs tomorrow then don't buy from Kinsealy, head up to the shop in Howth and haggle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    Beau wrote: »
    Well, I went out to Kinsealy today, I tried Talyor Made's, Ping's and the above. I have to say I really liked the Callaway's! I'm going to pop out again tomorrow and give them another go before I go for it. The guy didn't recommend getting them fitted as my swing should change a fair bit in the next few months.

    I told the sales guy about the voucher, so of course when I asked how much he quoted me the full price of €1700 :eek: No budging either, saying he can't with the voucher . That's before any gear or even a putter! So much for going nuts! It'd be about €160 cheaper if I go with the X2 driver and woods which I also liked. I do need wet gear as well so I'll probably do that. I can use an old bag that I have and an old trolley. It's just a little disappointing. Never the less I'll go somewhere else and not mention the voucher until I get to the checkout and after haggling.

    Did he put you on a launch monitor?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Beau


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    Did he put you on a launch monitor?

    No, what's that and what would it show?

    He just gave me a go of different sets, hard to tell the difference between the Pings and Taylor Mades, I generally hit the Callaways straighter and more consistently.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,133 ✭✭✭✭FixdePitchmark


    It just seems a lot of money to spend on a set of clubs for somebody getting into the game.

    But if you are getting into to it, and are fairly sure it is for life. Then go for a good set.
    Only thing is off 28 - your swing and game are going to change so much over even the first year or so.

    If I was you Id get lessons first. 200 euro worth.
    Put 100 to 200 euro onto the range card if they will in Kinsealy - make sure - make sure again there is no expiry date on the voucher.

    You could spend 400 to 500 on an excellent set for your handicap, seems mad to go all out.
    Driver - putter = total of 700

    Use some for bag trolley
    rain gear
    About 1000 now

    lessons and balls - 200.

    1200.

    If you can keep the 800 for a year or so do.

    But - hey it is your voucher. Do as you please.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    Beau wrote: »
    No, what's that and what would it show?

    He just gave me a go of different sets, hard to tell the difference between the Pings and Taylor Mades, I generally hit the Callaways straighter and more consistently.

    Thought they'd have one at the range to help with the fitting. Depending on the model it would give you spin numbers, launch angle,ball flight, flight height, curve of trajectory,distance,swing speed, club path etc etc

    The main ones to look at (outside of a lesson) would be spin numbers,distance,accuracy and swing speed but he'd look at all to find a recommendation.

    For example if you swing at 105mph with a driver generally your in stiff flex area with driver,fairways and irons. If you buy a regular you could actually lose distance. Could being the main word,hence why its so handy to get real numbers in front of you.

    And you might hit the cheaper driver better or longer, it can be hard to see with the naked eye unless you follow the ball out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,848 ✭✭✭soundsham


    2 grands worth of tees


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,138 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    What exactly was included for the €1,700?

    Sorry but a 28 HC'er doesn't need to spend 1700 on clubs and the sales guy seen you coming.
    Did you mention you had the voucher before you started looking at clubs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    PARlance wrote: »
    What exactly was included for the €1,700?

    Sorry but a 28 HC'er doesn't need to spend 1700 on clubs and the sales guy seen you coming.
    Did you mention you had the voucher before you started looking at clubs?



    This sort of thing is just typical. I saw a man about 70 the other day in the pro shop dropping 350euro on a new driver. Out he goes playing then and all he can do is a quarter of a swing at best.

    More money than sense some people but hey... If it makes them happy leave them too it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭bustercherry


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    Thought they'd have one at the range to help with the fitting. Depending on the model it would give you spin numbers, launch angle,ball flight, flight height, curve of trajectory,distance,swing speed, club path etc etc

    The main ones to look at (outside of a lesson) would be spin numbers,distance,accuracy and swing speed but he'd look at all to find a recommendation.

    For example if you swing at 105mph with a driver generally your in stiff flex area with driver,fairways and irons. If you buy a regular you could actually lose distance. Could being the main word,hence why its so handy to get real numbers in front of you.

    And you might hit the cheaper driver better or longer, it can be hard to see with the naked eye unless you follow the ball out.

    Waste of time putting a guy starting out on a launch monitor. Basic fitting for shaft length and lie etc.... but spin numbers are not relevant if you cannot consistently hit the ball. I'd also argue that no 28 handicapper should be swinging a driver at 105mph.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,138 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    ForeRight wrote: »
    This sort of thing is just typical. I saw a man about 70 the other day in the pro shop dropping 350euro on a new driver. Out he goes playing then and all he can do is a quarter of a swing at best.

    More money than sense some people but hey... If it makes them happy leave them too it.

    The voucher thing is funny too.
    Wonder if it's an Irish "quirk" of ours.... To almost be apologetic for paying with a voucher that someone somewhere had purchased with hard cash and the fact that sales people are less likely to discount.

    That 2,000 has more than likely been put to use as working capital for them. It's not bonded so it's actually great for a shop to have people tying up money in vouchers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    Waste of time putting a guy starting out on a launch monitor. Basic fitting for shaft length and lie etc.... but spin numbers are not relevant if you cannot consistently hit the ball. I'd also argue that no 28 handicapper should be swinging a driver at 105mph.
    Hardly, at the very worst they can tell him which he's hitting better. Its not for the customer to interpret the data but the salesman. He'll know the spin numbers, AOA, swing path and all the rest can change, he'll just use the information to make recommendations based on how he plays at present, there won't be as much consistency as someone who plays to a low handicap but enough to narrow the search. Then he can tell him which he hits better out of the recommended clubs with accurate data instead of "that looked good"

    I used 105mph as an example, but it could be he can go all out to 120mph. There's a lot of other reasons why I think that statement could be incorrect as a blanket statement although I understand your reasoning. He has taken six lessons so far, I'm sure if how hard he was swinging was the reason for his 28HCP his pro would have mentioned it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭Macker1


    Beau wrote: »
    Well, I went out to Kinsealy today, I tried Talyor Made's, Ping's and the above. I have to say I really liked the Callaway's! I'm going to pop out again tomorrow and give them another go before I go for it. The guy didn't recommend getting them fitted as my swing should change a fair bit in the next few months.

    I told the sales guy about the voucher, so of course when I asked how much he quoted me the full price of €1700 :eek: No budging either, saying he can't with the voucher . That's before any gear or even a putter! So much for going nuts! It'd be about €160 cheaper if I go with the X2 driver and woods which I also liked. I do need wet gear as well so I'll probably do that. I can use an old bag that I have and an old trolley. It's just a little disappointing. Never the less I'll go somewhere else and not mention the voucher until I get to the checkout and after haggling.

    That's the time you should have simply walked away. On principal alone I wouldn't give him your custom. absolute bull**** that he couldn't do a deal.
    The voucher ties you in to the shop but they can still put a good deal on the table for you. Its a pity a voucher is involved because you would be better served buying on adverts or such like. Great bargains to be had.... By all means go to the golf shops and get ideas for what you like.... hold them in your hand and hit a few shots but then go online and look around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 998 ✭✭✭John Divney


    Buy the older Xhot irons, the difference will be negligible. American golf have them advertised on the tv for 270 sterling

    Whatever new irons you buy will be on sale soon for 300 euros anyway,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,000 ✭✭✭Russman


    That's pure bull about not being able to do you a deal because its a voucher, go to a different branch, pick your clubs/clothes etc and don't mention the voucher until you've struck the deal and are paying at the till. As long as you're not trading in, it makes no difference to them, strictly speaking. Ok, they've already had the use of your cash and essentially owe you 2k but that's neither here nor there. You should get something off, if you're spending 2k.

    Also last years X Hot irons are basically the same as the new version, some shops that have them still in stock will be trying to get rid of them, you should get a deal. Same with the X Hot drivers/woods, no real difference between them and the new X2 Hot. Then again, if you're not paying out of your own pocket, go for it with the newer gear !

    If he didn't at least let you hit into a screen and measure your speeds etc, it sounds like he was just trying to sell you some clubs with the least effort possible. For that amount of money its worth it to visit all 4 (?) McGuirks shops and trying/looking/testing/haggling. The more items you add to your "order" in the shop, the better discounts you should be getting. There's not so much margin on clubs, but if you're picking up and clothes or accessories there's plenty of scope there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭newport2


    Russman wrote: »
    That's pure bull about not being able to do you a deal because its a voucher, go to a different branch, pick your clubs/clothes etc and don't mention the voucher until you've struck the deal and are paying at the till. As long as you're not trading in, it makes no difference to them, strictly speaking. Ok, they've already had the use of your cash and essentially owe you 2k but that's neither here nor there. You should get something off, if you're spending 2k.

    Also last years X Hot irons are basically the same as the new version, some shops that have them still in stock will be trying to get rid of them, you should get a deal. Same with the X Hot drivers/woods, no real difference between them and the new X2 Hot. Then again, if you're not paying out of your own pocket, go for it with the newer gear !

    If he didn't at least let you hit into a screen and measure your speeds etc, it sounds like he was just trying to sell you some clubs with the least effort possible. For that amount of money its worth it to visit all 4 (?) McGuirks shops and trying/looking/testing/haggling. The more items you add to your "order" in the shop, the better discounts you should be getting. There's not so much margin on clubs, but if you're picking up and clothes or accessories there's plenty of scope there.

    +1

    I'd even phone around the likes of American Golf and Halpenny Golf and get quotes for what you are buying. McGuirk's claim they will match any price, so try and get a better one elsewhere to use as leverage.

    Also, build up what you're buying gradually. Eg get best price on irons. Then say, "If I got a driver with them, what would price would you give me?". After that "How much for raingear on top of that?". Look for a reduction every time you add something


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭newport2


    ForeRight wrote: »
    This sort of thing is just typical. I saw a man about 70 the other day in the pro shop dropping 350euro on a new driver. Out he goes playing then and all he can do is a quarter of a swing at best.

    More money than sense some people but hey... If it makes them happy leave them too it.

    +1

    Saw a lady in McGuirks with a virtually new Taylormade 5 wood. She was trading it in because she couldn't hit it. And what was your man offering her as a replacement? A 3-wood with the exact same loft as the 5-wood. She bought it too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dossy


    ForeRight wrote: »
    Or the laughing stock when he can't hit the ball 20 yards

    Not having a pop here but why should someone not buy the gear they want for fear some jealous person gives out and or makes a joke about them, i have a Titleist tour bag and im a 17hc and dont see anything wrong with it,

    A few weeks ago when i got it i had few lads joking about it and the fact i got cut to 17 from 23 saying ah you'll struggle to play too that its too much of a cut,

    I ended up winning the society comp with 40pts and said to the lads what were ye saying again about struggling to play to it......and notting said

    At the end of the day buy what you want and enjoy it, its your money and do what you want with it

    As i said im not having a pop at ForeRight or anyone just expressing my opinion and an experience i had

    I do except the advice about seeing if the game is for you and buying a second hand set, my view is for someone who is hooked on the game


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭Nozebleed


    Titleist have a fitting/testing day in the spawell driving range. Think its the 10th of april. Might be of interest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,695 ✭✭✭ForeRight


    Dossy wrote: »
    Not having a pop here but why should someone not buy the gear they want for fear some jealous person gives out and or makes a joke about them, i have a Titleist tour bag and im a 17hc and dont see anything wrong with it,

    A few weeks ago when i got it i had few lads joking about it and the fact i got cut to 17 from 23 saying ah you'll struggle to play too that its too much of a cut,

    I ended up winning the society comp with 40pts and said to the lads what were ye saying again about struggling to play to it......and notting said

    At the end of the day buy what you want and enjoy it, its your money and do what you want with it

    As i said im not having a pop at ForeRight or anyone just expressing my opinion and an experience i had

    I do except the advice about seeing if the game is for you and buying a second hand set, my view is for someone who is hooked on the game



    The OP made out in his original post that he was a newbie. It was implied that he had never even hit a ball before which is why I said get a beginner set and get lessons after selling his voucher instead of kitting himself out like tiger woods when he can't hit a ball off a tee.

    The difference between you off 17 and a "newbie" is a million miles so it's not comparable.

    In fairness I also said if it makes someone happy to droppnry on the best of gear when they can't utilise it that's their prerogative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dossy


    ForeRight wrote: »
    The OP made out in his original post that he was a newbie. It was implied that he had never even hit a ball before which is why I said get a beginner set and get lessons after selling his voucher instead of kitting himself out like tiger woods when he can't hit a ball off a tee.

    The difference between you off 17 and a "newbie" is a million miles so it's not comparable.

    In fairness I also said if it makes someone happy to droppnry on the best of gear when they can't utilise it that's their prerogative.

    Thats fair enough the OP did mention about getting lessons for the last 6 weeks but that was further down the thread after your first comment so you werent to know and i commented after 3/4 pages


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Beau


    Hey, yeah there is a huge differnce between the new X2 model vs the X model (total €1000) so I'll probably go with that. I'll go to another store and see how I get on.

    Sorry for not giving enough information in my first post!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    Do not even mention the voucher OP until paying. Haggle the bejesus out of them and do your homework online as regards pricing.
    Bought X hots myself a month ago. Can't fault them . I'm off 18.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Beau


    Bought X hots myself a month ago. Can't fault them . I'm off 18.

    A full set? X or x2 How much did you pay?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    Beau wrote: »
    A full set? X or x2 How much did you pay?

    X hots 4-pw (have my own Sw) 499€ he wanted. I traded in an old set of mizuno and got him to throw out the sw which comes as part of the set. Paid 329 or 319€ not too sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,526 ✭✭✭Slicemeister


    Any joy OP?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Beau


    Any joy OP?

    Rented x hot 2s and big berthas and an Olympus putter for the weekend just gone. I loved the big b, I had some monster drives! The irons were grand when I could hit them and felt nice but the putter I was indifferent about. I missed the mid point a few times. I'll probably look at the mixing and matching models between irons, driver and Woods. Maybe x hot irons, will try x hot 2 woods and maybe push out for the big b on the driver. The flight simulator might be useful here just see the difference, if any, between them.

    How do you guys pick a putter!?

    What harm is there in getting fitted (since it's free) and if my game changes much in a year or so going it again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,749 ✭✭✭dan_ep82


    Beau wrote: »
    Rented x hot 2s and big berthas and an Olympus putter for the weekend just gone. I loved the big b, I had some monster drives! The irons were grand when I could hit them and felt nice but the putter I was indifferent about. I missed the mid point a few times. I'll probably look at the mixing and matching models between irons, driver and Woods. Maybe x hot irons, will try x hot 2 woods and maybe push out for the big b on the driver. The flight simulator might be useful here just see the difference, if any, between them.

    How do you guys pick a putter!?

    What harm is there in getting fitted (since it's free) and if my game changes much in a year or so going it again?

    You've some expensive taste lol, how much is the Big Bertha again?

    Keep looking for irons until your happy. When choosing irons make sure your happy but more important,the ones your most confident with. Sometimes they may not be the ones marketed for your HC , although more often than not they are, but its worth trying every type while you have a chance so you have no regrets which leads to buying more clubs (at least with me)

    As for picking a putter, give yourself an hour or two and go into one of the shops. Use every putter in the putting area and pick the one that you use best. I think the putter is the one club where price should matter least (although still count) as its really is your scoring club. Confidence with the putter makes a big difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭alxmorgan


    Beau wrote: »
    Rented x hot 2s and big berthas and an Olympus putter for the weekend just gone. I loved the big b, I had some monster drives! The irons were grand when I could hit them and felt nice but the putter I was indifferent about. I missed the mid point a few times. I'll probably look at the mixing and matching models between irons, driver and Woods. Maybe x hot irons, will try x hot 2 woods and maybe push out for the big b on the driver. The flight simulator might be useful here just see the difference, if any, between them.

    How do you guys pick a putter!?

    What harm is there in getting fitted (since it's free) and if my game changes much in a year or so going it again?

    re putter....if you have a chance give the PING Ketsch a look
    These guys do independent testing and it came out on top (by a mile) in mallet section:

    http://www.mygolfspy.com/best-mallet-putter-2014/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,095 ✭✭✭Beau


    dan_ep82 wrote: »
    You've some expensive taste lol, how much is the Big Bertha again?.

    €400.

    Sure look, I'm very aware that I'm getting carried away with the brand, look and feel of it and fact I can actually afford it! When it comes to crunch time sense will prevail. X Hot is 169 and X Hot 2 is 300. Big difference between all models! Probably very little difference in reality.

    Yeah, will give other irons another go but think it'll come with practice and lessons.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,138 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Beau wrote: »
    €400.

    Sure look, I'm very aware that I'm getting carried away with the brand, look and feel of it and fact I can actually afford it! When it comes to crunch time sense will prevail. X Hot is 169 and X Hot 2 is 300. Big difference between all models! Probably very little difference in reality.

    Yeah, will give other irons another go but think it'll come with practice and lessons.

    To avoid getting carried away on clubs I would suggest to look at some other stuff first.

    Good rain gear, bag, etc etc etc
    Get all kitted out with everything you need on that side and it will help focus the mind (& budget).


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