picking grass variety's

Greengrass1

Loads of different grasses out there.
What do you choose your grass on?
I thinking of going for very good spring growth.

Does it really matter? Would you be as well pick up a bag with any new variety in it?

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Loads of different grasses out there.
What do you choose your grass on?
I thinking of going for very good spring growth.

Does it really matter? Would you be as well pick up a bag with any new variety in it?

Wouldn't know to much about varietys at home these days but from what I know out here the intermediate heading grasses seem to be pretty good for growth throughout the year. stay away from high sugar sales **** and mixs and go for a straight one variety perennial rye grass, throw in a bit of white clover seed with it as well. Reseeding is a 10 year investment so I wouldn't just sow just anything im sure the guys in your discussion group would be able to tell you varieties that have worked for them.

td5man

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Loads of different grasses out there.
What do you choose your grass on?
I thinking of going for very good spring growth.

Does it really matter? Would you be as well pick up a bag with any new variety in it?

Somethimg with early and late growth

Greengrass1

trixi2011 wrote: »

Wouldn't know to much about varietys at home these days but from what I know out here the intermediate heading grasses seem to be pretty good for growth throughout the year. stay away from high sugar sales **** and mixs and go for a straight one variety perennial rye grass, throw in a bit of white clover seed with it as well. Reseeding is a 10 year investment so I wouldn't just sow just anything im sure the guys in your discussion group would be able to tell you varieties that have worked for them.

Is one variety not risky in case it gets a disease?

Zr105

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Loads of different grasses out there.
What do you choose your grass on?
I thinking of going for very good spring growth.

Does it really matter? Would you be as well pick up a bag with any new variety in it?

Depends what its for, ie grazing, one cut then graze or 2-3 cuts...

Main things we'd look for are close heading dates and a mix of diploid and triploids.

Then the key thing is to makes sure that it has even growth and doesn't all grow in first bit if year then no growth at the end.

Wont be bothering about clover in the seed here any more as well prob be spraying it and find some clover safes are worthless in comparison to non clover safe. Will hopefully stitch it in after...

trixi2011

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Is one variety not risky in case it gets a disease?

That's all they sow out here one variety farm I worked on last year was 100% reseeded with only 2 variety's. Have been lead to believe that mixes are a waste of time just what I have been thought over the years open to correction

Greengrass1

trixi2011 wrote: »

That's all they sow out here one variety farm I worked on last year was 100% reseeded with only 2 variety's. Have been lead to believe that mixes are a waste of time just what I have been thought over the years open to correction

They did that in greenfields just sowed one variety in each paddock to see how each perform
Abigail ryan said it would be better to choose a mix in case it gets a disease

charleysurf

I'm just starting the monoculture trial with teagasc and havin looked at some of the onfarm results last year from some of the grasses there doesn't seem to be much problem with sowing them. some of the varieties grew over 18t on one farm while the same variety only grew 12 on another. its really just about finding which variety suits your farm and management. for wet land they do suggest have a mix. one thing to look out for is digestibility, tetraploid have a higher digestibility and as a result paddocks will be cleaned out better and hold quality for longer in the year. they're introducing the grass ebi but don't think that'll be out till the autumn. from an example I saw of it only one diploid made it into the top 10

mahoney_j

Dry land here and do a bit every year,I pick 3 varietys all diploids and no clover as in a high stocking rate,high fert usage system it has no place.i use intermediate and late heading varietys with a combination of good spring and autumn growth.

Greengrass1

I've 4 acres for grazing yo go in at home when ever the weather comes good and another 12 for silage.
Hope to got 20+ acres reseeded here this year. Shouldn't be to hard to do that amount

munkus

You'd want at least 60% diploid for proper ground cover unless you plan to just take silage cuts and reseed within 5 years. Tetraploid have better bulk and sugar generally but aren't persistent.

blue5000

Don't know the names, but some real early variety is really stemmy in mid season.

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Loads of different grasses out there.
What do you choose your grass on?
I thinking of going for very good spring growth.

Does it really matter? Would you be as well pick up a bag with any new variety in it?

5 kg Tyrella
4 kg Abercraigs (T)
3 kg Portstewart
All heading first week June

You'll not keep grazed, growing about 40 per day at the moment.

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

5 kg Tyrella
4 kg Abercraigs (T)
3 kg Portstewart
All heading first week June

You'll not keep grazed, growing about 40 per day at the moment.

Is that what you sow the whole time?
That's what I want grass that grows fast so I can either build up a bulk of good silage and help me carry a higher stocking rate

charleysurf

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Is that what you sow the whole time?
That's what I want grass that grows fast so I can either build up a bulk of good silage and help me carry a higher stocking rate

would a mix with a higher tetraploid content be more suitable if your looking primarily for growth? one thing I've been hearing more of lately is the weight/acre. most bags you get in a coop are around the 12kg. if your making your own mix, might be no harm to go for 14kg.

munkus

charleysurf wrote: »

would a mix with a higher tetraploid content be more suitable if your looking primarily for growth? one thing I've been hearing more of lately is the weight/acre. most bags you get in a coop are around the 12kg. if your making your own mix, might be no harm to go for 14kg.

Some might give you great return in may and June and then fu#k all in the shoulder months. The night annual tonnage can be concentrated in a short space of time. I take one cut of silage so have grass varieties that have good autumn return as well for grazing.

Greengrass1

charleysurf wrote: »

would a mix with a higher tetraploid content be more suitable if your looking primarily for growth? one thing I've been hearing more of lately is the weight/acre. most bags you get in a coop are around the 12kg. if your making your own mix, might be no harm to go for 14kg.

I'd say growth at shoulders is more important.
Good grass will always grow well in the Sumner any way

RobinBanks

frazzledhome wrote: »

5 kg Tyrella
4 kg Abercraigs (T)
3 kg Portstewart
All heading first week June

You'll not keep grazed, growing about 40 per day at the moment.

Where would you get such a mix. Astonenergy seems all the rage now for grazing

Greengrass1

RobinBanks wrote: »

Where would you get such a mix. Astonenergy seems all the rage now for grazing

Have 15ac of that and tyrella. Very good grass

charleysurf

Greengrass1 wrote: »

I'd say growth at shoulders is more important.
Good grass will always grow well in the Sumner any way

according to the table in the journal on page 3 of the reseeding piece most of the late heading tetraploids had far superior spring and autumn growth in comparison to diploids. they also had higher dmd. where they fall down is ground score

there are 13 late heading diploids on the list only 2 had greater than 100 in spring growth (average 93) while 9 had over 100 in autumn growth (average 101).

there are 9 late heading tetraploids on the list 7 of the 9 had over 100 for spring growth (average 101) while 9 out of 9 had over 100 in autumn growth (average 107)

it might be worth while giving micheal o donovan in moorepark an email and see what he suggests as to a suitable variety. he'd understand varieties way better than anyone on here and would base his suggestion on soil type and the growing pattern of the region.

Greengrass1

charleysurf wrote: »

according to the table in the journal on page 3 of the reseeding piece most of the late heading tetraploids had far superior spring and autumn growth in comparison to diploids. they also had higher dmd. where they fall down is ground score

there are 13 late heading diploids on the list only 2 had greater than 100 in spring growth (average 93) while 9 had over 100 in autumn growth (average 101).

there are 9 late heading tetraploids on the list 7 of the 9 had over 100 for spring growth (average 101) while 9 out of 9 had over 100 in autumn growth (average 107)

it might be worth while giving micheal o donovan in moorepark an email and see what he suggests as to a suitable variety. he'd understand varieties way better than anyone on here and would base his suggestion on soil type and the growing pattern of the region.

Would you happen to know his email?

frazzledhome

RobinBanks wrote: »

Where would you get such a mix. Astonenergy seems all the rage now for grazing

Glanbia Mastercrop Extend. They use clover but I get without.
This will grow 18 tonnes all other things being correct. Grows well early and late

Timmaay

Every year I suggest to the old man to skip the clover ha, and he always says sure what harm will it do, I've asked afew salesmen about clover free seed also and they have looked at me as if I've two heads ha. Its not hugely common to reseed without it is it?

Also when would be suitable for reseeding early in the year? I wouldn't mind getting afew acres done now as I can't take out too much land at once in the autumn for reseeding.

Bigbird1

frazzledhome wrote: »

5 kg Tyrella
4 kg Abercraigs (T)
3 kg Portstewart
All heading first week June

You'll not keep grazed, growing about 40 per day at the moment.

Would this seed do for general grazing ground,

Also what exactly does heading date mean?

frazzledhome

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Would this seed do for general grazing ground,

Also what exactly does heading date mean?

Yes cow paddocks with bales taken as surplus occurs.

As you know all beings strive to reproduce. Grass is no different. If left to grow unchecked its when it goes to seed. Any plant that goes to seed will relax just as you'd have a smoke after a tumble!

So after seeding the plant thinking its job is done will die off ie the stem in the grass. With regular grazing and baling we are stopping the process but it will continue to try to seed and this is how we can get the tonnes dm from the pasture. I hope this helps

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yes cow paddocks with bales taken as surplus occurs.

As you know all beings strive to reproduce. Grass is no different. If left to grow unchecked its when it goes to seed. Any plant that goes to seed will relax just as you'd have a smoke after a tumble!

So after seeding the plant thinking its job is done will die off ie the stem in the grass. With regular grazing and baling we are stopping the process but it will continue to try to seed and this is how we can get the tonnes dm from the pasture. I hope this helps

What sort of covers do you decide are too high for cows to graze? 1800+?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What sort of covers do you decide are too high for cows to graze? 1800+?

Would depend on cover per cow ie how many days i had in front if them and GR. This is where measuring earns ghe money But in main grazing I'd like <1500

1800 if I had it now it wouldn't be a bit too high, ha

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Would depend on cover per cow ie how many days i had in front if them and GR. This is where measuring earns ghe money But in main grazing I'd like <1500

1800 if I had it now it wouldn't be a bit too high, ha

Drove by a farm in gorey today and the cows were up to there knees in grass and everyone of them nearly bursting they were so full

Bigbird1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yes cow paddocks with bales taken as surplus occurs.

As you know all beings strive to reproduce. Grass is no different. If left to grow unchecked its when it goes to seed. Any plant that goes to seed will relax just as you'd have a smoke after a tumble!

So after seeding the plant thinking its job is done will die off ie the stem in the grass. With regular grazing and baling we are stopping the process but it will continue to try to seed and this is how we can get the tonnes dm from the pasture. I hope this helps

Thanks that helps but I'm still not fully sure, what's the difference between early and late heading then, thanks

Zr105

Bigbird1 wrote: »

Thanks that helps but I'm still not fully sure, what's the difference between early and late heading then, thanks

Its just that early heading varieties will turn to seed as frazzled has explained at an earlier time than a late heading variety

Bigbird1

E=Zr105;89705824]Its just that early heading varieties will turn to frazzled has explained at an earlier time than a late heading variety[/QUOTE]

I understand that but why should I those early heading before late heading

Zr105

Bigbird1 wrote: »

E=Zr105;89705824]Its just that early heading varieties will turn to frazzled has explained at an earlier time than a late heading variety

I understand that but why should I those early heading before late heading[/quote]

Your better off with intermediate to late heading varieties to best of my knowledge as it allows you a longer time frame to get them grazed before the grass starts to turn to seed

charleysurf

if your grazing them or cutting them before they have a chance to go to seed like frazzledhome suggests I'm not sure is there a major difference between early and late if they're sown as a monoculture. I guess the problem arises when you mix early and late varieties in one paddock.. you'll have the early varieties looking to go to seed early in may while the late are looking to go to seed in june and as a result it'd make management a lot more difficult in these paddocks and grazing quality will be effected

frazzledhome

frazzledhome wrote: »

5 kg Tyrella
4 kg Abercraigs (T)
3 kg Portstewart
All heading first week June

You'll not keep grazed, growing about 40 per day at the moment.

Here it is grazed bare 2 wks ago. Has 1 bag urea in March and another on Sat

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Here it is grazed bare 2 wks ago. Has 1 bag urea in March and another on Sat

That's what I want. Will be definitely sowing that.
Did you say that's glanbias mixture?

frazzledhome

Greengrass1 wrote: »

That's what I want. Will be definitely sowing that.
Did you say that's glanbias mixture?

Mastercrop Extend with no clover. Stitched in last July

pms7

What are people paying for seed this year. Quoted €63 silage , €74 grazing with clover in local co-op

agriman27

frazzledhome wrote: »

Mastercrop Extend with no clover. Stitched in last July

What method of stitching in did ya use it was a great take, looks class

case885

frazzledhome wrote: »

Mastercrop Extend with no clover. Stitched in last July

Would this be best seed for intensive grazing and fertiliser?

frazzledhome

case885 wrote: »

Would this be best seed for intensive grazing and fertiliser?

Yes will also do silage though not a silage mix

frazzledhome

case885 wrote: »

Would this be best seed for intensive grazing and fertiliser?

Yes, loves being grazed and lots of N

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yes, loves being grazed and lots of N

We actually sowed tyrella and aberchoice 2 yrs ago.
Brilliant stuff altogether

frazzledhome

agriman27 wrote: »

What method of stitching in did ya use it was a great take, looks class

Round up, 10/10/20 with gran lime, Atchinson seeder, roller post emerge spray at 2 leaf stage

Greengrass1

frazzledhome wrote: »

Round up, 10/10/20 with gran lime, Atchinson seeder, roller post emerge spray at 2 leaf stage

Hope to try some this year.
Field behind yard has been in grass since late 70s I was told so would like to get that do. Its as level as you would get..
Local contractor has a Hirsch drill that he DD with. Does a nice job

case885

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yes, loves being grazed and lots of N

Perfect, definitely persuade the father to sow some.

Greengrass1

Rang contractor to disc.
Too busy til next week. No one else with a disc around and I don't want to power harrow

mahoney_j

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Rang contractor to disc.
Too busy til next week. No one else with a disc around and I don't want to power harrow

That's a bummer ,be nice to of got it in,any one else that can do it for u??.mine was given 2 runs of grubber yesterday and hope to sow in am.an Italian and some of shebas crimson clover mix.be interesting to see how it turns out

sheebadog

mahoney_j wrote: »

That's a bummer ,be nice to of got it in,any one else that can do it for u??.mine was given 2 runs of grubber yesterday and hope to sow in am.an Italian and some of shebas crimson clover mix.be interesting to see how it turns out

When do you hope to pit that Mahoney?

mahoney_j

sheebadog wrote: »

When do hope to pit that Mahoney?

5 to 7 weeks hopefully but I'll be wrapping it as it's in a field with low esb wires so self propelled can't go in.its a bit of a trial for me and advisor to see how it goes.the fact that its high in p appeals to me.how dobubthink I'll go cutting at that time scale.field is index 3 and 4 for p and k and got 2 tonne of lime last august.putting out 4 bags 18 6 12 on it per acre

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

That's a bummer ,be nice to of got it in,any one else that can do it for u??.mine was given 2 runs of grubber yesterday and hope to sow in am.an Italian and some of shebas crimson clover mix.be interesting to see how it turns out

I could borrow the fathers friends disc but he's an hour away and the tractor here has no road tax.
Other lad is flat out ploughing and sowing like the majority.
Suppose its my own fault for not ringing him sooner

Greengrass1

mahoney_j wrote: »

That's a bummer ,be nice to of got it in,any one else that can do it for u??.mine was given 2 runs of grubber yesterday and hope to sow in am.an Italian and some of shebas crimson clover mix.be interesting to see how it turns out

Was that just burnt off? I know a lad with a grubber but I didn't know how it would work?