Irish Rail e-cigarette Ban...firstly...

the watchman

Norma Cronin from ASH
Said on Morning Edition TV 24th March 2014


“What we do know about e cigarettes is that while they contain nicotine they do not have any of the 4000 chemicals which are known to be carcinogenic that are contained in tobacco.


As a protest against the most ridiculous ban ever introduced on Irish Rail I suggest the following legal, lawful and non violent protest. Whilst travelling make sure that your e cigarette is clearly visible but not being used of course, then munch your way through a couple of packets of cheese and onion crisps and perhaps talk loudly on your mobile phone. One month of this and they will be begging for the e-cigarette ban to be lifted.


European free vapouring initiative


http://www.efvi.eu/

corktina

I'd rather not share my air with someone with one of these. I have no idea what they contain and some of them let off smoke...what the heck is in that? They are right to ban them, (I was in a pub in the UK the other day and they were specifically banned in there.)

Hilly Bill

http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/smoking-cessation/10-facts-about-e-cigarettes.htm#page=0

Have a read. Do you want to breath in second hand nicotine vapor?

foggy_lad

Because these have no filter like cigarettes they will surely be allowing much more nicotine into the users system and subsequently out into the air.

Years ago people thought smoking was harmless and nobody batted an eyelid on seeing children smoking, particularly in central and south american countries where the biggest tobacco companies ruled the roost. I see these e-vaping machines as the same risk to public health.

Adverts are already appearing on mainstream TV channels aimed at young teenagers offering these as a suitable alternative to real cigarettes!

Jamie2k9

E cigs are banned in may places, all CIE services, Dublin/Cork Airports, Aviva stadium etc.

Copyerselveson

Far from being ridiculous I think IE are absolutely right to ban ecigarettes. The vapour off these devices is pretty nasty despite what apologists from the tobacco industry might claim.

may06

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

E cigs are banned in may places, all CIE services, Dublin/Cork Airports, Aviva stadium etc.

Pity CIE don't enforce the ban on smoking real cigs though on their station platforms, such as Connolly platforms 2, 3, 4.. never mind the E-cigs

TheBandicoot

I'd ban them just because it's great fun seeing the militant vapers cry about it.

coylemj

the watchman wrote: »

As a protest against the most ridiculous ban ever introduced on Irish Rail I suggest the following legal, lawful and non violent protest. Whilst travelling make sure that your e cigarette is clearly visible but not being used of course, then munch your way through a couple of packets of cheese and onion crisps and perhaps talk loudly on your mobile phone.

Isn't that what people do on trains anyway? How is that going to advance the 'cause' of allowing people to use e-cigarettes?

the watchman wrote: »

One month of this and they will be begging for the e-cigarette ban to be lifted.

Or maybe after a month some of the protesters will get the sh1t kicked out of them and will take an alternative form of transport. Problem solved.

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

Pity CIE don't enforce the ban on smoking real cigs though on their station platforms, such as Connolly platforms 2, 3, 4.. never mind the E-cigs

They do when they see it.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

They do when they see it.

No..they don't. Not from what I've seen and see daily in Connolly.

Thargor

foggy_lad wrote: »

Because these have no filter like cigarettes they will surely be allowing much more nicotine into the users system and subsequently out into the air.

Completely wrong, the user selects the equivilant dose from when they were smoking real cigarettes, if it was more they would be ill.

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

No..they don't. Not from what I've seen and see daily in Connolly.

What have you seen?

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

What have you seen?

thought that was self explanatory.

people smoking on platforms 2,3,4, before boarding train. Throw in the odd boyo in his orange high viz RPU vest also having the odd drag.

Fred Swanson

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Hilly Bill

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Yes.

bikeman1

I use Connolly regularly and I am not aware of people smoking in the main station on platforms 2,3, and 4.

Smoking is allowed on 5,6,7 and platform 1,2,3,4 at the north ends where it is open.

I have seen irish rail staff smoke, but that is only beside platform 2, on the way to the carpark.

I say this as someone who hates smoking and would definitely notice if someone was smoking!

Anyway the fumes from the 29000s are probably a lot worse than any cigarette under the roof!!

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

thought that was self explanatory.

people smoking on platforms 2,3,4, before boarding train. Throw in the odd boyo in his orange high viz RPU vest also having the odd drag.

People do tend to smoke before boarding the trains on them platforms but are asked to refrain from doing so if seen by staff members unless they are at the far end of the platform which is in the open.

Smoking is allowed in the open, i have doubts that you have seen any IR employee smoking under the canopy of the station.

Hilly Bill

bikeman1 wrote: »

I use Connolly regularly and I am not aware of people smoking in the main station on platforms 2,3, and 4.

Smoking is allowed on 5,6,7 and platform 1,2,3,4 at the north ends where it is open.

I have seen irish rail staff smoke, but that is only beside platform 2, on the way to the carpark.

I say this as someone who hates smoking and would definitely notice if someone was smoking!

Anyway the fumes from the 29000s are probably a lot worse than any cigarette under the roof!![/QUOTE]

True, it would be hard to enforce a clean air policy at the same time as the fumes of these filling platform 4.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

People do tend to smoke before boarding the trains on them platforms but are asked to refrain from doing so if seen by staff members unless they are at the far end of the platform which is in the open.

Smoking is allowed in the open, i have doubts that you have seen any IR employee smoking under the canopy of the station.

well you doubt wrong so.
There are no smoking signs on the aforementioned platforms..yet people do smoke there. Ive yet to witness anyone being asked from refraining from doing so and just because you say they are refrained from doing so doesnt mean it's actually imposed.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

bikeman1 wrote: »

I use Connolly regularly and I am not aware of people smoking in the main station on platforms 2,3, and 4.

Smoking is allowed on 5,6,7 and platform 1,2,3,4 at the north ends where it is open.

I have seen irish rail staff smoke, but that is only beside platform 2, on the way to the carpark.

I say this as someone who hates smoking and would definitely notice if someone was smoking!

Anyway the fumes from the 29000s are probably a lot worse than any cigarette under the roof!![/QUOTE]

True, it would be hard to enforce a clean air policy at the same time as the fumes of these filling platform 4.

Ditto, hence how I regularly spot it.

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

well you doubt wrong so.
There are no smoking signs on the aforementioned platforms..yet people do smoke there. Ive yet to witness anyone being asked from refraining from doing so and just because you say they are refrained from doing so doesnt mean it's actually imposed.

Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its not being imposed.What about the time that you are not there? Do you want someone to stand at the no smoking signs and point at them when someone lights up?
When i say that they are asked to refrain from smoking when caught by a member of staff means that its been imposed .

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Ditto, hence how I regularly spot it.

To be honest, you dont have to be a non smoker to notice anyone smoking.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

may06 wrote: »

To be honest, you dont have to be a non smoker to notice anyone smoking.

and how observant you are..

Hilly Bill

Thanks.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean its not being imposed.What about the time that you are not there? Do you want someone to stand at the no smoking signs and point at them when someone lights up?
When i say that they are asked to refrain from smoking when caught by a member of staff means that its been imposed .

oh get of your high horse..i'm just saying what I've seen and regularly see, thats all.

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Thanks.

for what..that wasn't a compliment by any means

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

oh get of your high horse..i'm just saying what I've seen and regularly see, thats all.

What high horse? fair enough as to what you have seen or havent seen but just because you have seen someone smoking at any one time doesnt mean people never gets told to stop smoking at the times that you are not there.

I know it wasnt a compliment .

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

What high horse? fair enough as to what you have seen or havent seen but just because you have seen someone smoking at any one time doesnt mean people never gets told to stop smoking at the times that you are not there.

I know it wasnt a compliment .

I never said that never happens either..same goes for you, just cos you have seen it imposed, doesn't mean it's also imposed when you are not there. Like I said, i'm only saying what I have seen/see.. likewise yourself i'm sure..doesnt make either parties right or wrong, if you understood that is. why so defensive??

Hilly Bill

You said in your first post that cie doesnt enforce the ban .

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

You said in your first post that cie doesnt enforce the ban .

Yep, when I'm there I haven't seen it imposed - I already said that.

Why all the love for CIE??

Hilly Bill

may06 wrote: »

Yep, when I'm there I haven't seen it imposed - I already said that.

Why all the love for CIE??

All you have said is that you have seen someone smoking where they shouldnt have been, you havent said anything about a member of staff blatently ignoring it.
Its like this, in general it gets inforced but there will always be some that doesnt get caught .

I point this out to you so i must love cie is that it? .

may06

Hilly Bill wrote: »

All you have said is that you have seen someone smoking where they shouldnt have been, you havent said anything about a member of staff blatently ignoring it.
Its like this, in general it gets inforced but there will always be some that doesnt get caught .

I point this out to you so i must love cie is that it? .

How do you know a staff member wasn't ignoring it? I know I didnt say it either..
how do you know it was only someone..perhaps i've seen loads of people?

BuffyBot

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