Haldex oil change

comongethappy

Hello all.

I'm dropping down to our local Skoda dealership today to change the oil in the Haldex unit (4th generation) on our Yeti.

Reading online it looks a relatively quick task for a full dealer, just draining & refilling...
The UK dealers charge around £75 as the oil itself is pricey.

In an email, they said its going to take a few hours.

Are they trying one on?
I don't want a bill for 2hrs+ of labour if the job only takes 30 mins.

Any advise welcome!

wiz569

comongethappy wrote: »

Hello all.

I'm dropping down to our local Skoda dealership today to change the oil in the Haldex unit (4th generation) on our Yeti.

Reading online it looks a relatively quick task for a full dealer, just draining & refilling...
The UK dealers charge around £75 as the oil itself is pricey.

In an email, they said its going to take a few hours.

Are they trying one on?
I don't want a bill for 2hrs+ of labour if the job only takes 30 mins.

Any advise welcome!

While the job may only take an hour it would be normal for them to have your car for a few hours,it allows them to be a bit flexible with their jobs for that day,in case somebody is late or they get caught short on parts etc

You really should have gotten a price beforehand to allay any fears you have tbh

wiz569

How did you get on?

comongethappy

wiz569 wrote: »

How did you get on?

Initially they wanted to charge for 2 hours labour.

I argued that 1hr labour cost was sufficient if also covering enough time for a regular oil change.

So it was €160 incl vat for the haldex oil change, engine oil change & they also cleaned the car which was nice of them.

Happy enough with that.

tmg

hey

so I just did this on my superb 4x4 (its pretty much the same system).

car up on lift, remove fill plug (m10 hex head iirc), then remove drain plug. wait a few minutes till its all out (fill quantity is approx. 925ml so you wont get that much out of it but close enough).

you get a one liter bottle of haldex fluid for around 25 notes from skoda (you cant get it third party).

you will need a vas6291 filler tool, or some form of pump or giant syringe thing - I have a gearbox oil transfer pump that does the same thing.

replace drain plug, connect tool to filler plug and fill away.

fill it till it spills (so wait until north of 900ml has gone in, remove the filler tool, and let it drain from the filler plug until it stops)

then screw back in the drain plug and you are done. repeat every 40k miles.

so its pretty straightforward.

if you got an oil change as well, then with the cost of the oil & filter, and the haldex oil change, you got a very very good deal imho!

last time I checked the service kit (oil) for my car was around 90 notes from skoda, for the oil, a sump plug, filter, washers etc. so you got a very good deal!

cheers

t.

ironclaw

comongethappy wrote: »

So it was €160 incl vat for the haldex oil change, engine oil change & they also cleaned the car which was nice of them.

All of that would have taken longer than an hour. 2 hours was reasonable in my mind. The car was occupying a member of staff for that entire time.

zarquon

tmg wrote: »

last time I checked the service kit (oil) for my car was around 90 notes from skoda, for the oil, a sump plug, filter, washers etc. so you got a very good deal!

You'd have to be out of your mind to pay that for a service kit. I get 5L 507 spec LL oil and filter and sump plug for €52 all in from my local factors.

tmg

zarquon wrote: »

You'd have to be out of your mind to pay that for a service kit. I get 5L 507 spec LL oil and filter and sump plug for €52 all in from my local factors.

well done

jca

zarquon wrote: »

You'd have to be out of your mind to pay that for a service kit. I get 5L 507 spec LL oil and filter and sump plug for €52 all in from my local factors.

Really? I've never heard of Auto Factors stocking sump plugs. What brand oil is it? The cheapest I could get oil for when I was driving a diesel was Fortec €52 the filter was €10,no chance of getting a sump plug outside the dealers door.

rex-x

jca wrote: »

Really? I've never heard of Auto Factors stocking sump plugs. What brand oil is it? The cheapest I could get oil for when I was driving a diesel was Fortec €52 the filter was €10,no chance of getting a sump plug outside the dealers door.

All motorfactors I use stock sump plugs, but besides that, why would you be changing the sump plug itself? madness

rufio777

sump washer maybe?

Guy:Incognito

rex-x wrote: »

All motorfactors I use stock sump plugs, but besides that, why would you be changing the sump plug itself? madness

A Skoda dealer will change it at an oil change.

jca

rex-x wrote: »

All motorfactors I use stock sump plugs, but besides that, why would you be changing the sump plug itself? madness

My point was that the posters weren't comparing like with like. The service kit for €90 contained Oil,Filter,washers and a new sump plug. The Auto factor price was for just oil and filter. I don't think I ever needed to change a sump plug.

jca

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

A Skoda dealer will change it at an oil change.

No they won't, they suck the oil out through the dipstick hole using a vacuum pump:cool::cool:. No chance of the dumbest lad in the place stripping the sump threads that way:):) Simply clever eh?

rex-x

jca wrote: »

No they won't, they suck the oil out through the dipstick hole using a vacuum pump:cool::cool:. No chance of the dumbest lad in the place stripping the sump threads that way:):) Simply clever eh?

Exactly, the sump plug will never come off a car in most main dealers. For good reason IMO

Stavros Murphy

I bought a Twix for .50c there yesterday. They're 75c in the shop next door. Yeah. Anyway.

dar83

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

I bought a Twix for .50c there yesterday. They're 75c in the shop next door. Yeah. Anyway.

Should have bought a multipack and saved yourself some money AND had some spare.

Idiot.

:pac:

Stavros Murphy

dar83 wrote: »

Should have bought a multipack and saved yourself some money AND had some spare.

Idiot.

:pac:

True. Hard to read someone comparing main dealer service prices to buying oil in a factors and doing it yourself though. It's like comparing waffles to wattles.

cerastes

rex-x wrote: »

All motorfactors I use stock sump plugs, but besides that, why would you be changing the sump plug itself? madness

Which ones, wheres that?

The haldex oil change (coupling?) this is on 4 wheel drives, correct?

Mycroft H

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

I bought a Twix for .50c there yesterday. They're 75c in the shop next door. Yeah. Anyway.

Half a cent!!!

Where do I get twixes that cheap :pac:

Technoprisoner

tmg wrote: »

you get a one liter bottle of haldex fluid for around 25 notes from skoda (you cant get it third party).

http://www.gsfcarparts.ie/catalogsearch/result/?q=haldex

jca wrote: »

Really? I've never heard of Auto Factors stocking sump plugs. What brand oil is it? The cheapest I could get oil for when I was driving a diesel was Fortec €52 the filter was €10,no chance of getting a sump plug outside the dealers door.

you can get 5ltrs of 507 spec oil for under 40 euro from the above as well

tmg

@techprisoner - i stand corrected, but... thats a 250ml cartridge so you would need 4 of them for the yeti/superb., so 3.7 x the price of OEM

also, there are several haldex fluids for the different systems, and its hard to tell what that one is, and you cannot mix the different types.

t.

jca

Technoprisoner wrote: »

http://www.gsfcarparts.ie/catalogsearch/result/?q=haldex



you can get 5ltrs of 507 spec oil for under 40 euro from the above as well

Where?? They only stock Mobil (€88) or Triple R (€61). They don't sell Twix bars for 0.50c either:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Mech1

if your haldex is like the Freelander or xc90 make sure the filter is changed as well as oil!!

cerastes

haldex oil? for 4 wheel drives?

tmg

so there are two main types of haldex box - type 2 (older, had a filter to change) and type 4 (newer, no filter).

re: haldex for 4 wheel drive - yep - haldex make the system that a good few manufacturers use for the 4x4s - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haldex_Traction

Mech1

cerastes wrote: »

haldex oil? for 4 wheel drives?

yes rear diff on 4x4

link explains it

http://www.awdwiki.com/en/haldex/

Technoprisoner

jca wrote: »

Where?? They only stock Mobil (€88) or Triple R (€61). They don't sell Twix bars for 0.50c either:rolleyes::rolleyes:

they have it on the counter of their northside branch for 32+vat for 5ltrs

cerastes

Mech1 wrote: »

yes rear diff on 4x4

link explains it

http://www.awdwiki.com/en/haldex/

tmg wrote: »

so there are two main types of haldex box - type 2 (older, had a filter to change) and type 4 (newer, no filter).

re: haldex for 4 wheel drive - yep - haldex make the system that a good few manufacturers use for the 4x4s - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haldex_Traction

Yeh, needed to check that, thought my service history book said haldex coupling oil change completed, its ticked not done, not 4x4.

jca

Technoprisoner wrote: »

they have it on the counter of their northside branch for 32+vat for 5ltrs

150 mile round trip according to google maps for 5 Litres of triple R ****e....Thanks but no thanks..

Technoprisoner

jca wrote: »

150 mile round trip according to google maps for 5 Litres of triple R ****e....Thanks but no thanks..

who said anything about triple r?

the oil they had was Total 5w 30 507.00

jca

Technoprisoner wrote: »

who said anything about triple r?

the oil they had was Total 5w 30 507.00

Strange they don't show Total anywhere on the website. Good price.
Better price here for us country chaps... http://www.micksgarage.com/proddetails.aspx?pid=1214863

zarquon

jca wrote: »

Strange they don't show Total anywhere on the website. Good price.
Better price here for us country chaps... http://www.micksgarage.com/proddetails.aspx?pid=1214863

Add an oil filter for about €6 and it only comes to €42. Why anyone would pay 90 quid at a dealer is beyond me.

Technoprisoner

a good bit cheaper than that fortec s***e so

jca

Technoprisoner wrote: »

a good bit cheaper than that fortec s***e so

Fortec is a good oil according to the vw forums. The jury's still out on triple R though. Strange gsf don't have total lubricants on their website. Very unusual considering the bulk of their irish business would be web based. Believe it or not but the cheapest oil &filter I ever got was from my local vw dealer....before the recession swallowed him up...

Guy:Incognito

jca wrote: »

No they won't, they suck the oil out through the dipstick hole using a vacuum pump:cool::cool:. No chance of the dumbest lad in the place stripping the sump threads that way:):) Simply clever eh?

Not in the Skoda main dealer I worked in. New sump plug shoved in the box with each filter. Never saw the extractor being used to change oil once. It was taken out to drain fuel tanks and the like.

jca

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Not in the Skoda main dealer I worked in. New sump plug shoved in the box with each filter. Never saw the extractor being used to change oil once. It was taken out to drain fuel tanks and the like.

I've never ever seen a sump plug shoved in the oil filter box. Why in the name of God would you need to replace the sump plug at every oil change? Any VW/Skoda mechanic I've spoken to have told me that Skoda in particular recommend using an oil extractor because of the aluminium sump. After a spate of sump threads winding themselves out with the steel plug on Passat's in particular, VW mechanics prefer the extractor method too. As do I.
Saw enough of it with the old type Mini's to do me a lifetime...(horrible little cheapskate car)

Guy:Incognito

jca wrote: »

I've never ever seen a sump plug shoved in the oil filter box. Why in the name of God would you need to replace the sump plug at every oil change? Any VW/Skoda mechanic I've spoken to have told me that Skoda in particular recommend using an oil extractor because of the aluminium sump. After a spate of sump threads winding themselves out with the steel plug on Passat's in particular, VW mechanics prefer the extractor method too. As do I.
Saw enough of it with the old type Mini's to do me a lifetime...(horrible little cheapskate car)

For the sake of a 50c plug , why not change it? The washer is made on to the plugs too so changing the washer is changing the plug. There wasn't any wrung in the time I was there and I'd no issue taking any out. Most of the cars would have been in for their first or first few services so they've been getting changed since new. As long as your not putting them in with a breaker bar there should be no problem taking them out.

cerastes

Technoprisoner wrote: »

who said anything about triple r?

the oil they had was Total 5w 30 507.00

Is 507 00 backwards compatible with 506 00 or 505 00?
or required for non DPF diesel engines?
Ive also seen 5W 40 and 10W 40 diesel multigrades being shown as the suitable oil.

As for the Skoda sump nut/plugs with the washer, do motor factors stocks them? in Dublin area? south of the Liffey

jca

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

For the sake of a 50c plug , why not change it? The washer is made on to the plugs too so changing the washer is changing the plug. There wasn't any wrung in the time I was there and I'd no issue taking any out. Most of the cars would have been in for their first or first few services so they've been getting changed since new. As long as your not putting them in with a breaker bar there should be no problem taking them out.

I think I've figured out the sequence of events. Car is getting serviced by independent who reuses sump plug. After a few oil changes the plug starts to drip as the now flattened sealing washer can no longer provide a seal. The plug gets tightened more and more to stop the dripping. Then the fateful day arrives when someone tries to open the now severely over tightened sump plug and out comes the sump threads with the plug..... Nightmare!!

cerastes

whats the compatibility for 505 00 spec and 1.9's pre dpf?