Eures

Hootanany

https://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en&langChanged=true



I have just come across this on Politics.i.e

Seems EU are shipping unemployed people all over Europe a bit like Job Bridge thingy.

Yay or Nay

hfallada

Hootanany wrote: »

https://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en&langChanged=true



I have just come across this on Politics.i.e

Seems EU are shipping unemployed people all over Europe a bit like Job Bridge thingy.

Yay or Nay

What's the point of a united Europe with freedom to work and live within any member state if you just live in your own country if you are unemployed? Irish people talk about the only place they can get a job is Australia or Canada. But yet Germany have an unemployment far lower than both of those countries. But very few Irish people can fluently speak a second European language that is useful ( Irish doesn't count)

Amirani

Hootanany wrote: »

https://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en&langChanged=true



I have just come across this on Politics.i.e

Seems EU are shipping unemployed people all over Europe a bit like Job Bridge thingy.

Yay or Nay

In economic terms, this makes complete sense. Europe's lack of labour mobility is a significant problem: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/05/paul-krugman-no-ones-labor-market-is-flexible-enough-to-make-the-euro-work/56878/

kneemos

It's your choice is it not?

Hootanany

Yes but surely shipping over Labour to here will not lessen our live register?

Amirani

Hootanany wrote: »

Yes but surely shipping over Labour to here will not lessen our live register?

Labour won't be shipped here if there's no jobs available.

Sunglasses Ron

hfallada wrote: »

But very few Irish people can fluently speak a second European language that is useful ( Irish doesn't count)

The amount of people from outside the Gaeltacht who can speak any reasonable amount of Irish is probably equal to the amount who can speak a foreign language. I honestly don't know one person who could conduct a conversation in Irish with relatively the same ease as they could in English. I can also only think of two Irish people I know who are proficient in a foreign language.

dissed doc

Hootanany wrote: »

https://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en&langChanged=true



I have just come across this on Politics.i.e

Seems EU are shipping unemployed people all over Europe a bit like Job Bridge thingy.

Yay or Nay

It's a website to allow people from any EU country to browse jobs in any EU country.

There 1.7 million+ jobs listed. Obviously this means a) Ireland is screwed because of the EU and the Euro and b) the EU has no jobs and c) everyone needs to mvoe to Australia.

Your post is double-think.

Hootanany

No they give finical assistance to employers if they take someone on.

Stavros Murphy

Eures well off on the dole, doing nothing.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Hootanany wrote: »

https://ec.europa.eu/eures/home.jsp?lang=en&langChanged=true



I have just come across this on Politics.i.e

Seems EU are shipping unemployed people all over Europe a bit like Job Bridge thingy.

Yay or Nay

Yay. Where is anything in this in the remotest like Job Bridge?
A great resource and opportunity for finding employment.
What faults have you with it? Or is this another negative post for the sake of it?

Hootanany

Nope not negative at all

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Hootanany wrote: »

Yes but surely shipping over Labour to here will not lessen our live register?

Its a two way road!

Hootanany

It is thats why im putting out here.

darkpagandeath

So 26 million unemployed through out the EU and only what 1.7 million jobs on offer. Them lads in Europe are doing a great job. Well as long as Germany is doing ok everything seems to be fine then...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Hootanany wrote: »

Nope not negative at all

Seems EU are shipping unemployed people all over Europe a bit like Job Bridge thingy.

And that wasn't a veiled negative? Come on!

I did a few searches and none of the job vacancies were for low paid internships. They were "proper" jobs. Did you even look at it?
What's to discuss from a yay or nay point of view, when it is basically an EU wide job vacancy site? You threw it up there, so please enlighten me as to what you feel it is about.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So 26 million unemployed through out the EU and only what 1.7 million jobs on offer. Them lads in Europe are doing a great job. Well as long as Germany is doing ok everything seems to be fine then...

Not every job vacancy in the entire EU is listed, for goodness sake! That would be one hell of a site.

D1stant

How does this differ from say monster.com ?

/ Non story

darkpagandeath

Miley Modern Sleepyhead wrote: »

Not every job vacancy in the entire EU is listed, for goodness sake! That would be one hell of a site.

Then explain the massive amount of unemployed through out the EU ? Cant be many more jobs out there 3 mill to be on the optimistic side.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Then explain the massive amount of unemployed through out the EU ? Cant be many more jobs out there 3 mill to be on the optimistic side.

Just think about it. For a start the vacancies there are only the 1.3million posted right now. Vacancies get filled and more replace them. But more importantly, not every job in every country is posted. My neighbour has a business currently looking for 2 drivers but they are not posted on eures. A painter and decorator I know recently took on another worker without advertising on eures. You are making huge assumptions based on zero.

darkpagandeath

Miley Modern Sleepyhead wrote: »

Just think about it. For a start the vacancies there are only the 1.3million posted right now. Vacancies get filled and more replace them. But more importantly, not every job in every country is posted. My neighbour has a business currently looking for 2 drivers but they are not posted on eures. A painter and decorator I know recently took on another worker without advertising on eures. You are making huge assumptions based on zero.

Think were getting crossed wires I'm trying to say there cant be that many more jobs going in the EU. Not because there not on that site

dxhound2005

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Think were getting crossed wires I'm trying to say there cant be that many more jobs going in the EU. Not because there not on that site

Depends on which country. There are 500,000 vacancies in the UK.

darkpagandeath

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Depends on which country. There are 500,000 vacancies in the UK.

True but more on the lines of jobs that could actually be filled and not historically hard to fill Like high end R&D or I.T job that needs 4 languages.

Bipolar Joe

Sunglasses Ron wrote: »

The amount of people from outside the Gaeltacht who can speak any reasonable amount of Irish is probably equal to the amount who can speak a foreign language. I honestly don't know one person who could conduct a conversation in Irish with relatively the same ease as they could in English. I can also only think of two Irish people I know who are proficient in a foreign language.

Way to completely miss the point.

Amirani

darkpagandeath wrote: »

True but more on the lines of jobs that could actually be filled and not historically hard to fill Like high end R&D or I.T job that needs 4 languages.

That's the nature of today's job market. It's a bit unrealistic to expect the EU and/or regional Governments to create large numbers of jobs for dying industries. The job market is dictated by private industry.

darkpagandeath

NiallSparky wrote: »

That's the nature of today's job market. It's a bit unrealistic to expect the EU and/or regional Governments to create large numbers of jobs for dying industries. The job market is dictated by private industry.

This is the point though they are strangling SME, And the Banks are not lending money to them either. There was what 1 billion put in a pot here to get the banks to lend to SME and they used it to fix their balance sheet. Pretty similar in the rest of the EU. The EU could put more pressure on the banks by telling them the money that has been pumped into them was not just to fix their own balance sheets. I mean how come on every stress test they apparently need more money even when their not lending. Seems just like we are just paying off their gambling debts and they know nothing is going to happen to them as none were let fail.

hfallada

darkpagandeath wrote: »

This is the point though they are strangling SME, And the Banks are not lending money to them either. There was what 1 billion put in a pot here to get the banks to lend to SME and they used it to fix their balance sheet. Pretty similar in the rest of the EU. The EU could put more pressure on the banks by telling them the money that has been pumped into them was not just to fix their own balance sheets. I mean how come on every stress test they apparently need more money even when their not lending. Seems just like we are just paying off their gambling debts and they know nothing is going to happen to them as none were let fail.

But are SME going to do with the money? Irish SMEs are struggling because during the good times they didnt bother trying to export due to massive domestic demand. The economy suffered and they blamed it on the Government. Yet the Germany economy suffered too, but because German firms always relied on exports. They didnt do too badly.

There is pretty of highly successful start ups in the last few years which have relied on exporting to foreign markets. Irish companies need to realise Ireland has 4,5 million people but the EU has 500 million people. Forget the booming economies of China and Brazil. You have 500 million potential customers just few hundred miles away

KyussBishop

NiallSparky wrote: »

That's the nature of today's job market. It's a bit unrealistic to expect the EU and/or regional Governments to create large numbers of jobs for dying industries. The job market is dictated by private industry.

That's exactly the problem - private industry is failing to provide enough jobs, so we need governments to step in - we just won't be seeing Germany agree to the required stimulus (money pumped into governments for spending, with centralized EU-wide debt), needed to allow governments to set in place a public works Job Guarantee - or similar policies - that could employ all of the unemployed in Europe.

There's no end of viable alternative policies, that can end unemployment and achieve complete economic recovery - there just isn't the political interest.

darkpagandeath

KyussBishop wrote: »

That's exactly the problem - private industry is failing to provide enough jobs, so we need governments to step in - we just won't be seeing Germany agree to the required stimulus (money pumped into governments for spending, with centralized EU-wide debt), needed to allow governments to set in place a public works Job Guarantee - or similar policies - that could employ all of the unemployed in Europe.

There's no end of viable alternative policies, that can end unemployment and achieve complete economic recovery - there just isn't the political interest.

Germany is doing everything it can to keep the status quo as it benefits them massively.

KyussBishop

Following on from my previous post: Here we are - a complete solution to the economic crisis in Europe, which can restore employment, that doesn't even need a new treaty:
http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/euro-crisis/modest-proposal/

Is there the political will for it? No.


Local alternatives, that can allow EU countries to free up government spending, without relying on interest-bearing public debt, or higher taxes:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057100005

Very little knowledge of it thus far.


Policies that these funding mechanisms can enable, EU wide, for either restoring employment or boosting the private sector, to help get back on track:
Job Guarantee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_guarantee
Basic Income + Job Guarantee: http://heteconomist.com/some-reasons-for-guaranteeing-both-an-income-and-job/
Debt Jubilee: https://keenomics.s3.amazonaws.com/debtdeflation_media/2012/01/TheDebtwatchManifesto.pdf

All of these policies can be sustainably implemented at an EU level, only the debt jubilee can't be implemented at a local level.

Loads of solutions to the crisis - no political will for them.