Ryanair Pay Simplified!

Alaba320

Hey, I have trawled through Pprune and PPJN for this answer but cannot get a clear picture. So could someone in the know tell me how much a FO earns with Ryanair? Im not talking about senior FO's just an FO that just paid for their TR with the company and is still low houred. What can one of these guys expect to finish the year with?

Ppjn.com is a good site and lists the basic salary but i cannot get a clear picture because of the allowances, sector pay and SBH pay listed. Is the hourly rate that is listed, added to the basic salary? If so, am i right in saying they would earn around €55,000 per year gross?

Zyox

Alaba320 wrote: »

Hey, I have trawled through Pprune and PPJN for this answer but cannot get a clear picture. So could someone in the know tell me how much a FO earns with Ryanair? Im not talking about senior FO's just an FO that just paid for their TR with the company and is still low houred. What can one of these guys expect to finish the year with?

Ppjn.com is a good site and lists the basic salary but i cannot get a clear picture because of the allowances, sector pay and SBH pay listed. Is the hourly rate that is listed, added to the basic salary? If so, am i right in saying they would earn around €55,000 per year gross?

New FOs aren't given Ryanair contracts. They are contractors for either Brookfielf or Storm McGinley. They get paid per SBH. So take the figure and multiply it by around 750 for an average.

Bear in mind that new guys with a safety pilot get nothing, get very reduced amount after that until they pass 500 hours, and then it goes up again at 1500.

That figure you're posting is the gross of what a senior first officer contractor would get with 700 hours in a year.

eatmyshorts

Alaba320 wrote: »

So could someone in the know tell me how much a FO earns with Ryanair??

In short??...f*ck all, and it's a disgrace.

Cessna_Pilot

Max earnings as Ryanair FO these days would be circa gross 70 to 75k.

Preset No.3

Not forgetting about reduced hours in winter and the forced annual leave for 1 full month unpaid!!

basill

And from that gross you need to take into account all the deductibles. Not only tax but pension, medical insurance, lol, uniforms, sims etc. A big factor is that you might get shoved around bases so be funding hotels etc. It ain't pretty no matter which way you look at it.

The biggest risk would be not having any certainty over the annual block hours. Could be 0 or 900 or anything inbetween. Differs across and even within the same bases.

Roblestone

Zyox wrote: »

New FOs aren't given Ryanair contracts. They are contractors for either Brookfielf or Storm McGinley. They get paid per SBH. So take the figure and multiply it by around 750 for an average.

Bear in mind that new guys with a safety pilot get nothing, get very reduced amount after that until they pass 500 hours, and then it goes up again at 1500.

That figure you're posting is the gross of what a senior first officer contractor would get with 700 hours in a year.

So they only get that SBH pay? They don't get the basic salary + SBH pay? The SBH pay is €30 per hour after safety pilot release.

I'm just trying to figure out why these guys would pay €30k for the Type Rating if they're not even going to earn that in the first year!

KnotABother

Roblestone wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. So the only get that SBH pay? They don't get the basic salary + SBH pay? The SBH pay is €30 per hour after safety pilot release.

I'm just trying to figure out why these guys would pay €30k for the Type Rating if they're not even going to earn that in the first year!

Pays better than the dole! Plus money is not the only currency they are collecting....3000-4000 hours on a 737 open's doors elsewhere.

basill

Pays better than the dole! Plus money is not the only currency they are collecting....3000-4000 hours on a 737 open's doors elsewhere.

Its called the ME and Asia. Lovely places to visit on a holiday I am sure. Not on your top 10 place to live and work for the average westerner.

[/QUOTE]I'm just trying to figure out why these guys would pay €30k for the Type Rating if they're not even going to earn that in the first year[/QUOTE]

Finally someone who crunches the numbers. Thank the Lord. There isn't really a return on your investment in the short term. Think 100k on basic training then another 30k on a rating to start with. No pay whilst undertaking type rating. Then little or no pay once on the line to start with. Most figure get in for a couple of years and jump ship. Problem is the jobs are few and far between. Coupled with that is other airline managers are continually trying to compare our T&CS to those of FR. So gradually over time time the grass may not be greener.

Jack1985

I can see Ryanair changing their pay scales very soon for one reason, the mass exodus to NAX is staggering, and Ryanair know it.

Zyox

Jack1985 wrote: »

I can see Ryanair changing their pay scales very soon for one reason, the mass exodus to NAX is staggering, and Ryanair know it.

They'll change it for captains. Not for FOs.

Figure for new cadets for 2014 has gone from 520 to 600 and now to 740. Any amount of new guys willing to fork over 30k for their type rating to get onto a 'shiny' 737 (just don't look at the flight deck floor).

Recently received a PM on PPRuNe where a wannbe cadet asked me "how painless was the transfer of 30k?"... like he had it there ready to go. Yeah lad about as painless as handing over 30k can be.

Zyox

Roblestone wrote: »

So they only get that SBH pay? They don't get the basic salary + SBH pay? The SBH pay is €30 per hour after safety pilot release.

I'm just trying to figure out why these guys would pay €30k for the Type Rating if they're not even going to earn that in the first year!

Yes they only get that. You can get onto a RYR contract when they are offered in order to get the 'security' of a basic. But the basics last offered were between 21k-26k for an FO and the rest is SBH. Basically averages out the same or maybe slightly worse in some cases depending on your base.

How do you pay for your type rating with that? Well you do the loan over 5 years at 650 per month and come time to upgrade to be a captain you're still paying off your type rating.

Roblestone

Anyone know where the very informative post that was made here the other day has gone to?

It basically gave you an excellent insight into the working conditions of a new cadet, then suddenly disappeared!! Now I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but...

Cessna_Pilot

Im not suprised the post is gone! It was a little too informative!

Roblestone

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Im not suprised the post is gone! It was a little too informative!

Yes, but a complete eye-opener! And it's after saving me giving them €30k. I'm just curious as to who took the post down, a mod or the poster?

Zyox

I'd say there's a close watch on these threads and a quick phone call to boards to remove anything they don't want up. Or the poster thought twice about them seeing it and pulled it.

Anyone want to share the highlights of it? Missed it myself.

Roblestone

Zyox wrote: »

I'd say there's a close watch on these threads and a quick phone call to boards to remove anything they don't want up. Or the poster thought twice about them seeing it and pulled it.

Anyone want to share the highlights of it? Missed it myself.

You're probably right, with the history the airline has with avherald and pprune I wouldn't be surprised if the mods might have taken it down.

The post was too long to rewrite, but it was obviously from a fella that had been through the TR with them. He/She gave an excellent account on exactly how the process goes - from first interview to working with the airline. If what was said is true it is an absolute disgrace that people are still foolish enough to give these guys €30k. It boils my blood that they are getting away with this and they have hundreds of, what I would call idiots, queuing up to part with their money to earn peanuts and be treated like sh!t I wish the regulators would step in.

Growler!!!

Depends on your view point. Most lads I know who went to the Ryan's and stuck around were captains within 4 years, increasing their employment potential. The others got enough jet hours to move to better airlines in the Middle East or Europe within a few short years.


I'd say the lad who wrote the piece got a call from a buddy of his and suggested it best to remove the post. Just in case

Stovepipe

Robelstone, you'll find that the regulators (by which I expect that you mean the IAA) know all about it and that nothing illegal is being done and it's entirely up to adults to decide what to do to get into the industry. Ryanair didn't invent this system but exploit it to the max. Illegal, no. Immoral, well, that depends on your point of view. Fattening? definitely not.

regards
Stovepipe