The End is near....

Wonda-Boy

Knew it was only a matter of time with the UK having it as mandatory.....

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/motorbikes-will-need-an-nct-from-2022-624820.html

What do you guys think....will it make for safer bikes or pure money making jobbie? :mad::mad:

sf80

waste of everyone's time; there's few enough bikes that the Gardaí can police road worthiness for them. Plus I think your average biker has more cop on about the maintenance of their bike than car drivers.

CJhaughey

Who is going to test them? The NCT? I can't see it being worthwhile to fit a whole new lane for bikes?
Motorcycle shops? Probably better and more relevant.
I can only see it as a money spinning exercise TBH.

jameshayes

easy enough to pop the bonnet off a car, what will they do with my bike - not look at engine components or rip all the fairings off!!?

Wonda-Boy

My fair is if some gob****e has to take your pride and joy out on the road for a `Test Spin', no way some clown is red lining my bike for his jollies before lunch.

Wonda-Boy

CJhaughey wrote: »

Who is going to test them? The NCT? I can't see it being worthwhile to fit a whole new lane for bikes?
Motorcycle shops? Probably better and more relevant.
I can only see it as a money spinning exercise TBH.

Motorbike shops no way half of them are ripping people off already with so called service!!!! Most of them think its a favour to even change the plugs.

prunudo

It's a pure money making, red tape, another way to fine/penalise people but at least it's 8 years away and I don't understand why tractors and trailers/caravans should be exempt.
Some of the trailers on the roads are accidents waiting to happen.

mikom

Money racket.

It'll be sold like everything else.

"The government guarantees the safety of the nations children...... give us all your money."

Tzardine

I actually dont mind so long as it is transparent.

The vast majority of us treat our bikes better than our kids but there are some yokes going around in bad shape. Some examples I see all too often.

Tyres - Plenty of baldy slicks out there.
Indicators - Some people have stupidly small (and I mean Tiny) indicators.
Shocks - Know a good few bikes on the road with leaking forks / failed rear shocks.
Badly focused headlamps - As somebody who rides a car/bike 50/50 I am constantly blinded by bikes behind me with unadjusted headlamps.

They should consult with bikers though when planning this out. I cant see how the current NCT system would suit a bike. But there are 8 years to figure this out I guess.

carsQhere

Tzardine wrote: »

They should consult with bikers though when planning this out.

MAG Ireland has been on the case since 2010
http://www.magireland.org/category/campaigns/rwt/

Cienciano

Couriers are the main offenders, but pretty much any biker I know would stroll an NCT. Still, it's a pain in the hole actually having to do it.

Del2005

CJhaughey wrote: »

Who is going to test them? The NCT? I can't see it being worthwhile to fit a whole new lane for bikes?
Motorcycle shops? Probably better and more relevant.
I can only see it as a money spinning exercise TBH.

The only option would be to force the NCT contractor to do bikes or stick them into the DOE systeme, there won't be enough bikes in this country to setup an independent test network.

There's a reason why we didn't follow the UK MOT in garages system when we brought in the NCT and then they followed our lead by taking the MOT from garages up North.

unclebill98

They declined tractors! As I live in the country side these things can be very dangerous. Wonky tyres and the vast majority have no lights at all.

I'd tend to agree its a good thing but fail to see how current system will take on the demand and yeah, I'm not handing my keys to someone who's never handled a bike before.

dunner515

As if they haven't killed biking enough as it is
Simply just another money making racket

Wonda-Boy

Knowing our luck (Bikers) it will be a yearly check like the DOE coz we all know that bikes are death traps......highly doubt they will let bikes away with every 4 yrs.

steveone

Tzardine wrote: »

I actually dont mind so long as it is transparent.

The vast majority of us treat our bikes better than our kids but there are some yokes going around in bad shape. Some examples I see all too often.

Tyres - Plenty of baldy slicks out there.
Indicators - Some people have stupidly small (and I mean Tiny) indicators.
Shocks - Know a good few bikes on the road with leaking forks / failed rear shocks.
Badly focused headlamps - As somebody who rides a car/bike 50/50 I am constantly blinded by bikes behind me with unadjusted headlamps.

They should consult with bikers though when planning this out. I cant see how the current NCT system would suit a bike. But there are 8 years to figure this out I guess.

Badly adjusted lamps? Oh the shame of it.
No indicators on my bike its not even wired for them.. I have hands

sf80

If I had faith in any part of our goverment there might be some positive aspects to it, sorting the odd set of balding tyres, maybe having some decent motorcycle maintenance courses since there would be more jobs for it...but the reality will be a total costly inefficient nonsensicle sham. Looking forward to having a bike fail for a cracked indicator lens

Wonda-Boy

I really feel there is no need for this....in my short time biking I have found that 90% of lads keep their machines in tip top order they really do. As OP said they treat their bikes better then the wife!

Hopefully this when enforced will only be for bikes of a certain age, say over 8-10 yrs old but I highly doubt it.

Hotblack Desiato

The European Parliament passes all sorts of resoultions about all sorts of things and 90% of them don't go anywhere, it has no power to initiate legislation. I'll wait for an official announcement.

Tzardine wrote: »

Badly focused headlamps - As somebody who rides a car/bike 50/50 I am constantly blinded by bikes behind me with unadjusted headlamps.

That'd be idiots using main beam.

Say bye-bye to non-standard pipes.

Wonda-Boy

ninja900 wrote: »

The European Parliament passes all sorts of resoultions about all sorts of things and 90% of them don't go anywhere, it has no power to initiate legislation. I'll wait for an official announcement.

Agreed, but if we do not kick up a big enough fuss about it like the French do for any little thing. The powers to be will think they can just slide it in unnoticed. As was pointed out that MAG have been on this for 4 yrs now at this stage so its been on the cards for a hell of a long time!

Wossack

the guys on deathtraps will just ignore it, so all this is doing really, is squeezing more out of the (mostly) law abiding

cant see there being a big enough market / profit for it to be implemented over here

Renegade Mechanic

Jesus.. They must have finally run out of ways to shaft drivers.. Only advantage I can see is some quieter bikes but I have yet to see a bike that I would call "dangerous" in fairness. Ye do keep them in good shape. Be more in their line to bring out a two yearly check for trailers..

Renegade Mechanic

Wossack wrote: »

the guys on deathtraps will just ignore it, so all this is doing really, is squeezing more out of the (mostly) law abiding

cant see there being a big enough market / profit for it to be implemented over here

They'll probably just make one test centre in dublin and cork and everyone will have to go to them.

szatan84

unclebill98 wrote: »

I'd tend to agree its a good thing but fail to see how current system will take on the demand and yeah, I'm not handing my keys to someone who's never handled a bike before.

Same here. If I was forced to just to get a stupid paper, id stand there with a baseball bat eyeing them up waiting for them to do something stupid. There would be hell to pay if he tried to sit on it dont mind driving.

whisky_galore

jvan wrote: »

It's a pure money making, red tape, another way to fine/penalise people but at least it's 8 years away and I don't understand why tractors and trailers/caravans should be exempt.
Some of the trailers on the roads are accidents waiting to happen.

The farming lobby/IFA/ICMSA would shoot that down straight away, before it would have a chance to get off the ground. Motorcycling is a soft target, a miniscule microscopic percentage of the population, not too many votes to be lost there.

Vikings

Whether this will get implemented or not will come down to how much it will cost to implement vs how much cashish it can generate.

I don't think there is enough bikes on the road in the country to make it worthwhile financially to the government and if it will cost them anything to get it off the ground I can't see it happening.

That being said, I'm not against it. Depending on what is checked in the test it could be a fairly cheap way to get a good look over your bike, there's plenty of people out there who don't do their own work and would only visit the mechanic when a problem crops up.

Hotblack Desiato

Well here's FEMA's take on it

http://www.fema-online.eu/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=400&cntnt01returnid=15

Mar 11, 2014
Euro bike testing scrapped


The European Parliament by a large majority voted in favour of the compromise proposal from the European Commission on a European regulation for the periodic technical inspection (PTI) of motor vehicles.

This compromise proposal will include that the PTI for motorcycles is postponed until 2022.

If the Member States in the five years prior to that date take adequate measures to improve the safety of motorcycles the PTI can be waived. FEMA assumes that this will happen.

In the event that Member States do introduce a periodical technical inspection, for whatever reason, the Member States can now decide how they will organize the PTI and the frequency with which the inspection will take place.

FEMA spokesman Dolf Willigers reports from Strasbourg: "This is a great victory for the National organizations and FEMA. Without close cooperation of our organizations with befriended MEP's and particularly the Dutch and French government, we would never have been able to achieve this result."

so it'll remain up to our government whether they do this or not. The EU won't impose it.

Tenner says our government CBA

MonstaMash

On the plus side, if they do go ahead with an NCT for motorcycles, maybe the training authorities will implement a motorcycle mechanics course into the curriculum to fill the void.

MrPudding

dunner515 wrote: »

As if they haven't killed biking enough as it is
Simply just another money making racket

Are you implying that having an NCT requirment for bikes would kill bikes off? I am living in the UK where bikes have to be MoTed. I am not sure how long that has been the case, but I don't remember it being any other way. It doesn't seem to have killed biking here.

I think a lot will depend on how it is handled. For example, here in England is different to NI, where I grew up and Ireland. In NI there is a government test centre run by the department of Transport. That is where you get the test done. I Ireland you have the NCT centres. Here in England you just get the MoT done in a garage. Most garages are qualified to do it. When my bike needs its MoT I will take it to the guys I bought it off. That is where I get it serviced and I trust them.

Not sure what the big deal is...

MrP

KTRIC

MrPudding wrote: »

. That is where you get the test done. I Ireland you have the NCT centres. Here in England you just get the MoT done in a garage. Most garages are qualified to do it. When my bike needs its MoT I will take it to the guys I bought it off. That is where I get it serviced and I trust them.

Not sure what the big deal is...

MrP

I'd have no problem with that myself but I'll be f*cked if I'm handing over my bike to the tards that work in the NCT test centers for them to dick about and crash it or something, having no experience with such a machine.

szatan84

MrPudding wrote: »

Are you implying that having an NCT requirment for bikes would kill bikes off? I am living in the UK where bikes have to be MoTed. I am not sure how long that has been the case, but I don't remember it being any other way. It doesn't seem to have killed biking here.

I think a lot will depend on how it is handled. For example, here in England is different to NI, where I grew up and Ireland. In NI there is a government test centre run by the department of Transport. That is where you get the test done. I Ireland you have the NCT centres. Here in England you just get the MoT done in a garage. Most garages are qualified to do it. When my bike needs its MoT I will take it to the guys I bought it off. That is where I get it serviced and I trust them.

Not sure what the big deal is...

MrP

Agreed, same situation in Poland where I'm from. My issue would be to trust whoevers at the nct center to take care of my bike. I'd certwinly wouldn't have a problem if a garage was doing it cuz that way I can ddcide whatever I trust the person or not. With an nct centre I have no such luxury.

MrPudding

KTRIC wrote: »

I'd have no problem with that myself but I'll be f*cked if I'm handing over my bike to the tards that work in the NCT test centers for them to dick about and crash it or something, having no experience with such a machine.

I have to admit, I would have an issue with that too. With a bit of luck it will be the same as it is in England, where you can take it somewhere run by bikers that you trust, or at least are more likely to trust...

MrP

szatan84

ninja900 wrote: »

Say bye-bye to non-standard pipes.

Daubt it. The only they coukd fail you on wouls be that its too loud. But then all the harley/choppers/whatever would be banned too as theyre much louder with standard pipes. Ans since they would have to be allowed on roads...

Wonda-Boy

The reason why it hasnt killed off biking in the UK is the sheer size and volume of the country! I mean there are nearly 3 times the people in London alone then the whole of Ireland.....you do the maths on that one!

MrPudding

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

The reason why it hasnt killed off biking in the UK is the sheer size and volume of the country! I mean there are nearly 3 times the people in London alone then the whole of Ireland.....you do the maths on that one!

Not sure what your point is... What has population got to do with a roadworthiness test? Are you suggesting that because there are so few riders in Ireland that test will be £1000 or something?

MrP

Del2005

MrPudding wrote: »

I have to admit, I would have an issue with that too. With a bit of luck it will be the same as it is in England, where you can take it somewhere run by bikers that you trust, or at least are more likely to trust...

MrP

There's no chance of the test going to bike shops. There's too much risk of fraud or scamming. That's the reason that the NCT was setup independent of the motor trade and they had to do similar to the DOE test centres, the old DOE system was worst than the MOT.

Wonda-Boy

MrPudding wrote: »

Not sure what your point is...

My point is as follow's....

Say for arguments sake there are 5 people on motorbikes for every 5,000 people in both the UK and Ireland. We have a population of 4.59 million (2012) the UK has a population of 64.9 million!

You don't need to be Jimmy Neutron boy genius to see that there is a hell of alot more people on bikes in the UK so anything that is implemented both good and bad will affect a significantly more amount of people. Therefore, the MOT on bikes in the UK is very profitable not so much over here.

Would the government even think about this if there was only 100 bikes in Ireland????

serious3

KTRIC wrote: »

I'd have no problem with that myself but I'll be f*cked if I'm handing over my bike to the tards that work in the NCT test centers for them to dick about and crash it or something, having no experience with such a machine.

the MOT test does not involve anyone riding your bike, they use a meter to test the brakes, a machine to test the lights, an analyser for emmissions the rest is visual and static

Cienciano

To be honest, the way motorbikes fly under the radar for most things here (parking, some tolls, most speed cameras, bus lanes) I can't picture it happening here.

Hotblack Desiato

szatan84 wrote: »

Daubt it. The only they coukd fail you on wouls be that its too loud. But then all the harley/choppers/whatever would be banned too as theyre much louder with standard pipes.

Nope. The noise limits on the pipes the bikes are sold with are the same for all bikes. You probably just haven't ever heard one with standard pipes as many of them never leave the dealership floor with the standard pipe.

They could also decide that any non-standard or non-approved part on the bike will fail it, like Germany.

Hotblack Desiato

MonstaMash wrote: »

On the plus side, if they do go ahead with an NCT for motorcycles, maybe the training authorities will implement a motorcycle mechanics course into the curriculum to fill the void.

So we should basically all stick our hands into our pockets to do the motorcycle industry here a favour because they can't be arsed to do it or pay for it themselves?

Eh, no thanks.

Eight Ball

Money racket. Has been going on for years with the truck and bus cpc's and now the privatisation of the drivers licence stuff also.

Pugzilla

MrPudding wrote: »

Are you implying that having an NCT requirment for bikes would kill bikes off? I am living in the UK where bikes have to be MoTed. I am not sure how long that has been the case, but I don't remember it being any other way. It doesn't seem to have killed biking here.

Bigger biking culture and heritage in the UK to begin with. That doesn't exist in Ireland.

Renegade Mechanic

Lots of people worrying about retards taking their 700mph, gold plated, 20000cc, Kawasaki Flailing Death, for a test drive through the nearest available building. If this actually happens and If its to be done like the cars then theres nothing to fear as theres no test drive. Theyll just drive it into the workshop, look around it, test stuff like braking and damper performance and drive it into the collection area round back for ye to get. The only revving done, will be to a high idle speed (usually 2-3,000 rpm on petrol cars) to check noise and emissions and thats it. Still a pure b*llox if it goes through though..

blu3r0ri0n

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

...Theyll just drive it into the workshop,... and drive it into the collection area round back for ye to get.

No they fcukin wont'! :mad: Not sure if you have a bike yourself, if you did then you would understand or... it could be that most of us are pretentious ba$716$ when it comes to our bikes!

I'd be more at easy if garages were allowed to carry these tests out, at least then you are handing it in to someone that you trust.

Vikings

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

I'd be more at easy if garages were allowed to carry these tests out, at least then you are handing it in to someone that you trust.

Accidents can happen to anyone, and to be honest if someone was to drop my bike I'd rather it be someone employed by Applus (NCT) who have the money to pay me to fix it rather than a small local mechanic who might not.

szatan84

Vikings wrote: »

Accidents can happen to anyone, and to be honest if someone was to drop my bike I'd rather it be someone employed by Applus (NCT) who have the money to pay me to fix it rather than a small local mechanic who might not.

Im pretty sure any shop is insured against these things. As for nct they will probably deny liability or put some small print in which they refuse to accept liability for damage caused in nct carpark or whatever. (Same as supermarkets do).

KTRIC

I drive a fairly heavy bike, which tips the scales at 380 dry. I'm a big guy and I have trouble maneuvering it at the best of times, there isn't a fucking hope in hell that some random "lad" is getting his oily mits on it only to drop it at the first corner. It'll be tested in an authorized dealer for me or not at all.

Del2005

szatan84 wrote: »

Im pretty sure any shop is insured against these things. As for nct they will probably deny liability or put some small print in which they refuse to accept liability for damage caused in nct carpark or whatever. (Same as supermarkets do).

They can put up any signs that they want to, law over rides what's on any sign and if someone damages your property you are entitled to compensation.

The only exception the NCT has if for blowing up oil burners during high idle testing of emissions, but if you look after the engine there is no risk.

Del2005

KTRIC wrote: »

I drive a fairly heavy bike, which tips the scales at 380 dry. I'm a big guy and I have trouble maneuvering it at the best of times, there isn't a fucking hope in hell that some random "lad" is getting his oily mits on it only to drop it at the first corner. It'll be tested in an authorized dealer for me or not at all.

You won't have a choice where it'll be tested and as I've already said there is no chance of it going to dealers or bike shops, the old DOE and MOT has shown that they can't be trusted.

MonstaMash

ninja900 wrote: »

So we should basically all stick our hands into our pockets to do the motorcycle industry here a favour because they can't be arsed to do it or pay for it themselves?

Eh, no thanks.

Couldn't give a fiddlers fook about the motorcycle industry here to be honest, I do all my own wrenching...

It would be beneficial however to those in the sickle community that don't know one end of a toolbox to the other in that an availability of qualified motorcycle mechanics would be better than the status quo in Ireland that is a glut of under/non-qualified fookn chancers calling themselves motorcycle mechanics who only want to rape your wallet & make a bollox of your pride & joy!

Or we could all ride without an NCT as a form of protest & say fook you & your money making schemes...works for me