Should some topics be illegal to discuss

TeddyTedson

Just looking at the death penalty thread. No way in hell should it be introduced, period. We're not going back to the dark ages. I won't get into it but people are sick in the head if they want that reintroduced!
Much like it is illegal in Germany to deny the killing of Jews should we implement this idea to stop the spreading of wingers? Could it ever realistically happen in our lifetimes with the likes of the internet and text messaging nowadays?

endacl

Nah.

jrmb

Nothing improves when you can't discuss it.

kneemos

Kim Jung Un would be proud of you citizen.

sh__93

I think everything should be allowed to be discussed. And I mean EVERYTHING. We have it pretty good here in Ireland with freedom of speech compared to some countries but it could be better imo.

A recent example would be RTE not allowing people to call that homophobic woman from the Iona Institute homophobic.

They have it better in the U.S were practically anything goes. Sure you get factions like the Westboro Baptist Church spouting their sh1t but let them spout their sh1t. I don't have to agree with them and unlike here, Americans are allowed to call them out on their homophobic BS.

Edit: Also seeing as you mentioned the Death Penalty, it would never have got banned in the 1st place if people weren't allowed to discuss it. Arguments and debates are the cornerstone of what makes good law.

Mike747

How would you enforce these laws and what do you mean by wingers?

Banjo String

Some topics are.

Try discussing certain apps that errr, stream movies or download tunes for minimum fee (free) over in the Android or bargain alert forums. Let me know how you get on.

Mint Aero

Death penalty to anyone who talks about the OP's illegal stuff, that'll learn em.

ScumLord

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Could it ever realistically happen in our lifetimes with the likes of the internet and text messaging nowadays?

It shouldn't happen now but was how things were done for the longest part of human history.

Just look at any of the religions, given half the chance they'd send you to prison for even questioning their dogma, IE: Inquisitions. Or just Sharia law that operates in countries even today.

Even outside of religions people used to get killed for questioning the king/emperor/state.

I think we live in a time when we can hear things we don't like or agree with and accept it's just an opinion. What we've gained from having an open society is far more than we've lost by having to listen to crackpots.

Muise...

Nah. Those threads flush the gowls out into the open where they can bask in my venomous contempt.

Sauve

Freedom of speech is a right we have, that so many across the world would literally kill for.
Why in the name of Allah would you want to give it up?

Holsten

Hell no, nothing should be off limits.

whirlpool

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Just looking at the death penalty thread. No way in hell should it be introduced, period. We're not going back to the dark ages. I won't get into it but people are sick in the head if they want that reintroduced!

Well that's just not correct at all.

hfallada

The problem with some laws is that are introduced for some propose but then used for everything. Like the three strikes law. It was introduced in California after a girl was kidnapped by a constant re offender. Instead of being used for only violent crimes, it was used for only violent crimes. It was used depending on the judges move. People whose third crime was something stupid like shop lifting were sentenced to life sentences.

whirlpool

Going by the tone of your post, it basically sounds like you want it to be illegal for people to have an opinion that opposes yours.

danniemcq

There are some things that should not be mentioned.

Peoples locations, be they wanting to remain to remain anonymous for whatever reason, ID's and the like lead to more trouble than good. The reddit/4chan boston bomber thing where the wrong guy got id'd is a prime example. There are countless stories of other mistaken ids too. Locations can be just as bad, like the woman id'd as a pedophile when she was a pediatrician. Mob mentally is not always a good thing.

However I do believe that all subjects should be open to discussion. With regards freedom of speech and access online it breaks my heart not being able to discuss vpns, proxies, tor, torrents or workarounds because of arcane laws. Giving people control of what you can and cannot see is orwellian in style, big brother is watching you and only stuff they want you to see you can see. This limits knowledge. This is brainwashing. Orwell again summed it up in 1984.

“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”

Adamantium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJN08uqt70

The moment you restrict anything, it ain't freedom.

Gatling

I favour a cattle bolt gun used in slaughter houses over lethal injections cheaper and more or less instantly dead ,

Arthur Beesley

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Just looking at the death penalty thread. No way in hell should it be introduced, period. We're not going back to the dark ages. I won't get into it but people are sick in the head if they want that reintroduced!
Much like it is illegal in Germany to deny the killing of Jews should we implement this idea to stop the spreading of wingers? Could it ever realistically happen in our lifetimes with the likes of the internet and text messaging nowadays?

I'd vote in favour of the death penalty.

Paramite Pie

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Much like it is illegal in Germany to deny the killing of Jews should we implement this idea to stop the spreading of wingers?

Not sure what you mean by 'wingers'. Also, I don't care for the holocaust comparison.

Neo-Nazis are a persistent problem in Germany and the holocaust is a well documented event. To deny such a thing occurred is only adding to the silence which facilitated such attacks in the first place. It also silences the victims who survived and testified against war criminals, making them out to be liars.. It is usually done with an agenda to glorify the Nazi regime (yes, that's a thing that happens) so it is repressed for that reason in countries that once had pro-Nazi governments.

Expressing an opinion on whether it is right or wrong to sentence dangerous criminals to death doesn't negatively affect anyone, it's simply a discussion.

WilyCoyote

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Just looking at the death penalty thread. No way in hell should it be introduced, period. We're not going back to the dark ages. I won't get into it but people are sick in the head if they want that reintroduced!
Much like it is illegal in Germany to deny the killing of Jews should we implement this idea to stop the spreading of WINGERS? Could it ever realistically happen in our lifetimes with the likes of the internet and text messaging nowadays?

You do mean SWINGERS, don't you Ted?

Sunglasses Ron

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Just looking at the death penalty thread. No way in hell should it be introduced, period. We're not going back to the dark ages. I won't get into it but people are sick in the head if they want that reintroduced!
Much like it is illegal in Germany to deny the killing of Jews should we implement this idea to stop the spreading of wingers? Could it ever realistically happen in our lifetimes with the likes of the internet and text messaging nowadays?

It is already near on illegal to communicate a differing viewpoint on several issues.

Not "illegal" as such, but there are a great deal of workplaces that would sack employees who communicate a viewpoint that is different to the one society tells us we should hold. Even here on AH I saw two recent threads that were promptly locked/ deleted because the question was not in keeping with the established consensus on what is right and wrong.

ThunbergsAreGo

Wingers? I too am more a fan of narrow attacking play and feel there has been a decline in the overall quality of Wingers in the game today with a migration towards "inside forwards" but to deny they exist just isn't right

Capt'n Midnight

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- voltaire.

Arthur Beesley

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”- voltaire.

Must be foreigners, so.

bonzodog2

hfallada wrote: »

The problem with some laws is that are introduced for some propose but then used for everything. Like the three strikes law. It was introduced in California after a girl was kidnapped by a constant re offender. Instead of being used for only violent crimes, it was used for only violent crimes. It was used depending on the judges move. People whose third crime was something stupid like shop lifting were sentenced to life sentences.

keithclancy

Why do people think that making a law against something will fix the problem ?

Let society sort it out and stop depending on the state to do it for you.

humanji

keithclancy wrote: »

Why do people think that making a law against something will fix the problem ?

Let society sort it out and stop depending on the state to do it for you.

Are laws not society's way of sorting it out?

UtopianWarlord

TeddyTedson wrote: »

Just looking at the death penalty thread. No way in hell should it be introduced, period. We're not going back to the dark ages. I won't get into it but people are sick in the head if they want that reintroduced!
Much like it is illegal in Germany to deny the killing of Jews should we implement this idea to stop the spreading of wingers? Could it ever realistically happen in our lifetimes with the likes of the internet and text messaging nowadays?

What a dreadful idea. You obviously aren't confident in your beliefs if you believe anyone opposed to them should be silenced

the_monkey

Adamantium wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjJN08uqt70

The moment you restrict anything, it ain't freedom.

Which episode is this from ? edit got it 4x21 ...

Muise...

Muise... wrote: »

Nah. Those threads flush the gowls out into the open where they can bask in my venomous contempt.

You've a cracking way with the words


OT, Probably the only constant that history demonstrates is that security is never improved by exchanging freedom for it, and freedom is a two way street.

Joe prim

There is really only one topic that should never, ever, be discussed, anywhere,at any time, with anybody.







And ,obviously, iI'm not going to discuss it here, now, with ye.

Caliden

jrmb wrote: »

Nothing improves when you can't discuss it.

A bit like MCD then.

humanji

Caliden wrote: »

A bit like MCD then.

Quiet you fool, you'll destroy us all!

keeponhurling

Joe prim wrote: »

There is really only one topic that should never, ever, be discussed, anywhere,at any time, with anybody.







And ,obviously, iI'm not going to discuss it here, now, with ye.

I can't believe you even brought that up!
Obviously I'm reporting this post to the guards:D

kowloon

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Not sure what you mean by 'wingers'. Also, I don't care for the holocaust comparison.

Neo-Nazis are a persistent problem in Germany and the holocaust is a well documented event. To deny such a thing occurred is only adding to the silence which facilitated such attacks in the first place. It also silences the victims who survived and testified against war criminals, making them out to be liars.. It is usually done with an agenda to glorify the Nazi regime (yes, that's a thing that happens) so it is repressed for that reason in countries that once had pro-Nazi governments.

And it backfires spectacularly because denial laws add fuel to the fire. Without open debate conspiracies thrive that wouldn't otherwise be able to stand up to scrutiny. I suppose it helps sweep the history under the rug for those who don't want to be reminded.

I'm firmly in the freedom of speech camp.