Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Will I Amnt

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Bayern hockeyed Barca 7-0 over two legs in the semis last year so what makes you think they won't hockey Man U in the quarters this year? Did they show Barcelona respect at the Camp Nou last year?

Since then, Man Utd have lost one of the greatest managers in history, whilst Bayern have gained an exceptional manager, to add to their exceptional squad, and have been scoring a shedload of goals in an undefeated league campaign thus far.

Man Utd have added David 'I will put my plans in place when the time is right' Moyes, and the squad has regressed. Morale is clearly in the $hitter, and they reward a disloyal player who has tried to leave twice with a record contract as a face-saving gesture.

To think that is going to end in anything less than a minimum 4 goal deficit is deluded.

Yes, because that's how football works :rolleyes:

If United go at them Barcelona style it will be double figures. That's not going to happen, it will be a defensive, spoiling tactics affair.

Everyone expected the same thing to happen against Madrid last year...

Also, Leverkusen drew with Bayern this season, United hammered them twice so by your logic it should be an easy United win :pac:

Lord TSC

I'm all for optimism, but it can slide into utter delusion sometimes.

This isn't like the other night where we thought the Greeks might hold onto a 2-0 lead. This isn't like Liverpool where we thought maybe the rivalry would ignite the players. This isn't Sunderland where we only needed to win 2-0.

This is Bayern Munich. This is a firing squad, and by God is Moyes blindfolded and smoking his cigarette. It's not pessimism. Bayern are going to murder us.

Hococop

everyone seems to forget another great game psg vs chelsea. mourinho and ibrahimovic some clash of personalities there

TheTownie

MagicIRL wrote: »

Surely a middle three of Fletcher, Carrick and Fellaini will be needed? Cleverly & Giggs will literally be bent bent over by the Munich midfield.

De Gea
Rafael - Jones - Vidic - Evra/Buttner
Fletcher - Fellaini - Carrick
Welbeck - RVP - Rooney

While there is no perfect solution to dealing with Bayern I think that is the best formation to go with.

I'd swapped Evans for Vidic (hopefully hes back match fit by then) if possible and obviously Evra is suspended for the first leg.

Macca07

ThirdMan wrote: »

So if Moyes had won the Champions League and FA Cup this year, you'd still see him sacked because he had a miserable league campaign? Even though Ferguson managed two European Cups in 20 attempts, and hadn't won an FA Cup in almost a decade. I realise how important the league is, but sacking a manager that won two thirds of a Treble is extremely harsh. I think you're talking out of your hat to be honest.

I'm sorry, where was the FA cup mentioned in the original question? Question was if Moyes got to the final and lost, not if we won the CL and FA cup. If we won the CL and FA cup, I'd be more than happy to keep him on, you can't win those 2 competitions by fluke, but you could manage to fluke your way to a final in a cup competition.

Please make relative remarks about people's posts, not snidey remarks where you totally missed the point.

zerks

zerks wrote: »

Can't think off the top of my head but who was the last one to do it?

Well Munich won it last year without playing Chelsea, didn't have to look very far.
Barcelona won in 2011 without playing Inter.
United won in 2008 without playing AC Milan.
AC Milan won in 2007 without playing Barcelona.
Barcelona won in 2006 without playing Liverpool.
Liverpool won in 2005 without playing Porto.

Not arsed going back any further.

TheDoc

Not going to spout my usual positivity nonsense, this is going to tough, end off.

Two good performances that are coherant, and a sign of improvement over the dross of this season and I'd be happy enough. Really need a strong finish to the season.

West Ham is crucial to that, need to ACTUALLY use Wednesday as a platform and beat the hammers convincingly, and then a good show against City.

Mouthwatering tie that I'm more looking forward to then being fearful of. Lose and it's nothing more then expected, win and the place would erupt.

Cantona's Collars

Deleted User wrote: »

Well Munich won it last year without playing Chelsea, didn't have to look very far.
Barcelona won in 2011 without playing Inter.
United won in 2008 without playing AC Milan.
AC Milan won in 2007 without playing Barcelona.
Barcelona won in 2006 without playing Liverpool.
Liverpool won in 2005 without playing Porto.

Not arsed going back any further.

My post read, any team who has beaten the holders has gone on to win the Cup,not likely we are going to do it though.

slingerz

I think Bayern will go through by 2 clear goals to be honest. The away leg at OT will suit Bayern as United will have to come out and take them on. Just think Bayern move too fluidly for United's midfield/defense to cope with it

TheDoc

bucketybuck wrote: »

Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley and Felliani

v

Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Thiago, Martinez, and Kroos

From watching alot of Bayern this year, they would be more formidable for us if they went with Kroos starting. His linkup play from CM to Robben and Ribery is absolutely frightening and our LB could get annihilated.

The Bayern I've seen with Thiago and Lahm in middle play alot more controlled and measured utilising Gotze, but it's in front of you, which is probably a better shout for our defence then Kroos launching those diagonal balls into Robben and Ribery tearing infield from wide.

irishfeen

TheDoc wrote: »

Not going to spout my usual positivity nonsense, this is going to tough, end off.

Two good performances that are coherant, and a sign of improvement over the dross of this season and I'd be happy enough. Really need a strong finish to the season.

West Ham is crucial to that, need to ACTUALLY use Wednesday as a platform and beat the hammers convincingly, and then a good show against City.

Mouthwatering tie that I'm more looking forward to then being fearful of. Lose and it's nothing more then expected, win and the place would erupt.

I'd actually forget focusing totally on PL results and use West Ham & City as games to test and reinforce systems/tactics with the Bayern game in mind.

TwoShedsJackson

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Yes, because that's how football works :rolleyes:

If United go at them Barcelona style it will be double figures. That's not going to happen, it will be a defensive, spoiling tactics affair.

Everyone expected the same thing to happen against Madrid last year...

Also, Leverkusen drew with Bayern this season, United hammered them twice so by your logic it should be an easy United win :pac:

Are you forgetting what's changed at Manchester United since then? Fully agree Moyes will try to keep it defensive and spoiling, and that's where the gulf in quality is going to ensure that won't work.

If they go at them they'll be hammered - if they sit back and invite one of the best attacking sides in the world to attack them, they'll be hammered - look at the midfields!

I know you're a United supporter and so you feel you have to 'believe' but you can support your team and be realistic too :pac:

shadowcomplex

I think Nani should be strongly considered for this game

slingerz

TheDoc wrote: »

Not going to spout my usual positivity nonsense, this is going to tough, end off.

Two good performances that are coherant, and a sign of improvement over the dross of this season and I'd be happy enough. Really need a strong finish to the season.

West Ham is crucial to that, need to ACTUALLY use Wednesday as a platform and beat the hammers convincingly, and then a good show against City.

Mouthwatering tie that I'm more looking forward to then being fearful of. Lose and it's nothing more then expected, win and the place would erupt.

West Ham will be no pushovers. They have turned it around to become awkward customers again

bangkok

http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/manchester-united/bayern-muenchen/11/

expect a close game, score wise....... but Bayern will have 70% poss over the 2 legs

djPSB

Good chance for Kroos to prove his worth to Moyes.

TheTownie

shadowcomplex wrote: »

I think Nani should be strongly considered for this game

I think it will come too soon for him to be back from that hamstring injury match fit.

Lord TSC

irishfeen wrote: »

I'd actually forget focusing totally on PL results and use West Ham & City as games to test and reinforce systems/tactics with the Bayern game in mind.

Its well and good saying that, but if we lose to City, then the pressure will be right back on top of Moyes. He won't be able to go "Ah we'll try something and so be it if we lose".

bangkok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUIPbRJL27E


pure class

zerks

zerks wrote: »

My post read, any team who has beaten the holders has gone on to win the Cup,not likely we are going to do it though.

OK so I'll go the other way then.
In 2011 Schalke beat the champs (Inter) and didn't win the title.
In 2008 Arsenal beat the champs (Milan) and didn't win the title.
In 2006 Benfica beat the champs (Liverpool) and didn't win the title.
In 2005 Inter beat the champs (Porto) and didn't win the title.
In 2004 Deportivo beat the champs (Milan) and didn't win the title.
In 2003 Juventus beat the champs (Real Madrid) and didn't win the title.

Will I Amnt

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

Are you forgetting what's changed at Manchester United since then? Fully agree Moyes will try to keep it defensive and spoiling, and that's where the gulf in quality is going to ensure that won't work.

If they go at them they'll be hammered - if they sit back and invite one of the best attacking sides in the world to attack them, they'll be hammered - look at the midfields!

I know you're a United supporter and so you feel you have to 'believe' but you can support your team and be realistic too :pac:

I'm not saying they won't be hammered. All I'm saying is a disciplined performance, which is what the aim will be, can keep it tight.
I fully expect Bayern to go through.

Julez

bangkok wrote: »

embrace the challenge.... at least we will go into the game as massive underdogs no one will expect nothing from us... I already see all the 10-0 agg scores people have predicted. First legs is massive. IF united can keep a clean sheet would be unreal. we have a decent record against Munich as well as far as I can remember. I wanted Dortmund and if we had of gotten them I would have expected a win at least not no one is giving us a prayer against Munich.

People expecting a lot from us so, a lot of pressure on us!!

irishfeen

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Its well and good saying that, but if we lose to City, then the pressure will be right back on top of Moyes. He won't be able to go "Ah we'll try something and so be it if we lose".

It really doesn't matter in the PL - I would be resting players, trying tactics, using the squad... its not like we're going to get 4th now anyway.

kona

If we knock bayern out which is possible, Liverpool supporters will really ramp up the paranoia.

I think we can win, Infact we don't even need to beat them to go through lol.

irishfeen

Julez wrote: »

People expecting a lot from us so, a lot of pressure on us!!

No they are not, speaking to a Spanish who's a big Real supporter just now and he recons Bayern could surpass the 7-0 Agg they did over Barca last year ... no one except some of us optimistic United supporters are expecting anything more then a mauling.

slingerz

irishfeen wrote: »

It really doesn't matter in the PL - I would be resting players, trying tactics, using the squad... its not like we're going to get 4th now anyway.

There has to be some pride left in the team for the fans especially

Lord TSC

irishfeen wrote: »

It really doesn't matter in the PL - I would be resting players, trying tactics, using the squad... its not like we're going to get 4th now anyway.

Doesn't matter to us. Could matter to Moyes if there's a clause in his contract where a poor league showing can see him sacked.

Also while the league position won't matter to fans, a drubbing at the hands of the cross-town rivals will. I think most fans won't accept a bad loss to City, even if the excuse is we're prepping for the CL.

That said, I feel it's, once again, a moving of the goalposts. "A loss to Pool will see him gone. Failing to get past the Greeks will see him gone, oh he did that, now he has to the City game....oh, but we'll give him the Bayern matches...oh we lost, well they are Bayern, he couldn't be expected to beat them". A new day, a new set of criteria for what is acceptable from the team and the manager.

The_Kew_Tour

This result if embarrassing will be the end of Moyes

Cantona's Collars

Julez

irishfeen wrote: »

No they are not, speaking to a Spanish who's a big Real supporter just now and he recons Bayern could surpass the 7-0 Agg they did over Barca last year ... no one except some of us optimistic United supporters are expecting anything more then a mauling.

Woooooooooshhh!