Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

Cantona's Collars

Jaysus,the look on Giggs' face.

Lord TSC

Press giving him a hard time....at last!

The_Kew_Tour

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 6m
Moyes: "I see the players every day, the qualities they can show, but they know they can play better." #MUFC

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 4m
Moyes is asked whether his future is possibly on the line. "My future has not changed one bit," he says.

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 2m
Moyes notes crowd's backing: "The first thing I mentioned to players after the (Liverpool) game is we need to start giving something back."

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 2m
Moyes is asked whether Glazers have given him assurances. "The biggest assurance is they let me get on with the job."

TheDoc

Another question about his future

"We never discuss my future. We are making big plans for the years going forward, that is why there is a six-year contract. This is a club that works on a long-term vision," Moyes responded when questioned on whether he had been given assurances about his future at the club.

"I think when you win, you win together, when you lose, you lose together. I think everyone wants to fight for this club, everyone loves this club. I am not going to tell you that we are definitely going to qualify tomorrow, but we will fight," was the response from Evra when questioned on recent performances and the clash at Old Trafford on Wednesday evening against Olympiacos.

Talks cheap, especially coming from Evra...

bangkok

Richard keys said Cavani to united is almost a done deal only the player has to decide if he wants the move...

Timmyctc

bangkok wrote: »

Richard keys said Cavani to united is almost a done deal only the player has to decide if he wants the move...

So its not a done deal whatsoever?

Red Crow

I don't think sacking him mid season was ever on the cards. If they don't sack him after that performance on Subday then it's very likely that he'll at least see out the season if not the year

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

Richard keys said Cavani to united is almost a done deal only the player has to decide if he wants the move...

Where the **** did that come from ?

Richard Keys, nothing on you bangkok, but since when was Richard Keys ever giving anything on transfer stuff, he got a new show or something?

Saucy McKetchup

Timmyctc wrote: »

Paddy Power are notoriously unfunny people. I doubt their "Humor" department watch football. How many times have we seen the "John Terry Superimposed over someone, somewhere, winning anything" gag.

Blanc was hardly a mistake also.

They're hit an miss when it comes to their humour but I found this funny and very apt for now, 9 times out of 10 they've ripped off someone else's ideas, we'll agree to disagree on blanc

TheDoc

Also entirely seperate to the press conference,

A number of outlets are reporting Ryan Giggs' "anger and disappointment" that he is being used as a tool, by certain journalists, to create a sensationalist story about discontent in the Old Trafford dressing room.

Giggs has advised the rumours as "utter rubbish and nonsense" and feels certain journalists "are trying to make a name for themselves".

Not sure if it's legit, just came up in my RSS feed.

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Where the **** did that come from ?

Richard Keys, nothing on you bangkok, but since when was Richard Keys ever giving anything on transfer stuff, he got a new show or something?

well united were in talks with cavanis agent and psg a few months ago.... and maybe Richard keys heard something as he is involved in football...

The_Kew_Tour

few more

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 3m
Evra's out of contract at end of season. "It's not a good day to talk about my future. The most important thing is MUFC future, not mine"

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 2m
Moyes says he has been in regular contact with Ferguson about what has gone wrong. Says SAF has been "incredibly supportive"

TheDoc

From the start hopefully

"Shinji is an important player for us. It has been a difficult time for him, but Shinji is someone that we really like and is someone that will be involved at some point tomorrow," responded Moyes when questioned on whether Shinji Kagawa could feature tomorrow.

Pro. F

TheDoc wrote: »

I've stated before my support has drained over the course of the year, and after Sunday it's hanging by a thread.

But I can't help feel it's more then JUST the manager. His Everton teams played more coherant attacking football then we are. It's so unfounded what has happened this year, that I can't truely get my head around it.

But it's without doubt, that there is a trend of blaming a manager before the players. If this squad is SO strong, as people would have you believe, and if you truely believe this squad was a good "title winning" squad, then it's even MORE damning of the players, that they can be so hapless and clueless. Even if I was to believe it was 100% the manager that was the problem here, what does that say about our so called experienced, title winning squad?

Chelsea lost Mourinho, in a time where it looked like they may have been starting to roll out a domestic dominance over us, a squad assembled by Mourinho that would dominate English football and puff, he was gone. Within two seasons that same squad was in a champions league final, and nearly winning the league , under Avram Grant. That squad pulled together, and fought for the club nearly securing a double.

What has this so called title winning squad achieved? I think the only blindness, is anyone who believes this squad was as strong or as good as last years title win might indicate. It was a hapless league, with utter rubbish quality and no challenge from our rivals, and we walked the league at a canter with a relatively young and mediocre( by our standards) squad.

We allowed key components age, without any meaningful replacements, and masked our deficincies with a marque striker singing.

We came into this season looking like we needed a midfielder, we are going to end it realising that Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand and Carrick are either leaving, or not up to standard anymore, and we are still carrying mediocrity in the squad like Young and Valencia.

The only blindness going on here, was the club thinking the squad from last year could "provide a platform for the incoming manager to remain competitive for a number of years".

You are talking a lot of crazy stuff these days in your attempt to justify Moyes staying at the club. Most notably today, with your claim that Liverpool, Spurs and Everton have far superior squads and your claim that there was no additional investment made in the United squad since the end of last season.

I think the key point for your thinking about Moyes, which has led you down the path to these outlandish statements, is revealed in the bolded bit quoted. You don't seem to believe that an unsuitable manager can have such a dramatic effect on a group of good players unless they all have some sort of serious flaws within themselves.

I think you are very wrong to discount the idea that a group of good, experienced and mentally strong players can be made to play well below their abilities when the manager is doing a bad job.

The manager has a massive influence, by far the biggest single influence, over everything that is important to the players on a day-to-day basis: strategy, tactics, training, fitness and atmosphere in the dressing room. If the manager's tactics are wrong then it doesn't matter how good the players are, even the best players can't overcome that kind of handicap in a game. If the managers strategy, approach to fitness and training methods are wrong then it doesn't matter how experienced the players are, they don't get to change the manager's mind on those key decisions and the results will be adversely affected.

So, to answer your question: "Even if I was to believe it was 100% the manager that was the problem here, what does that say about our so called experienced, title winning squad?" It says that the players are human. It doesn't matter how good the players are, nor how experienced. If the manager is doing a bad enough job there is no amount of football skill or experience that can negate his affect on the team. You need to accept this as a possibility before you can honestly assess the job Moyes is doing.

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

well united were in talks with cavanis agent and psg a few months ago.... and maybe Richard keys heard something as he is involved in football...

He has never been involved with the behind the scenes working of agents and potential transfers, and I very much doubt that is the case now.

And he hasn't been involved with anything relevant in football for about five years now. All his ties with PL clubs were severed with him after the scandal, he has as much access and behind the scenes knowledge now as you and me. Nothing.

The_Kew_Tour

says it all.

Daniel Taylor ‏@DTguardian 53s
Again, not hugely inspiring words from Moyes. A couple of nice lines, but too often no real conviction to what he says.

keeponhurling

bangkok wrote: »

Richard keys said Cavani to united is almost a done deal only the player has to decide if he wants the move...

A deal for Kroos is also more or less a done deal.

The only things left to do are United to make a bid, Bayern to accept it, and the player to agree terms, and do a medical.
Moyes also needs to OK the deal.

TheDoc

Presser over, that was another pretty flat affair to be honest. Again don't feel anyway fired up or defiant, nothing at all.

Thought Evra is a poor choice to bring to a pretty big presser, he has been an embodiement of mediocrity, lazyness and lack of care, and then goes on to talk about fight.

UnitedIrishman

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

David Moyes press conference coming up shortly.

For those who might not catch it, here's a guess at what's more than likely to be said:

"Its a tough situation to be in. But we'll keep fighting on. I have to take responsibility if things aren't going well. The fans have been brilliant and we owe them a peformance. Never stopped singing on Sunday. Rumours of a fallout are complete nonsense and sign of a times with social media etc. Full faith can turn it around."

And now ya don't need to watch the press conference.

So its gone almost exactly as I thought it would.

Usual ****e and pre-rehearsed dross we've heard after every defeat this season.

keeponhurling

The thing is, if they are winning on the pitch nobody really gives a damn what is said in a press conference or who attends.

How else as the press conference going to turn out?

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

He has never been involved with the behind the scenes working of agents and potential transfers, and I very much doubt that is the case now.

And he hasn't been involved with anything relevant in football for about five years now. All his ties with PL clubs were severed with him after the scandal, he has as much access and behind the scenes knowledge now as you and me. Nothing.

he works for talksport and al Jazeera tv covering all champions league games so I preume he talks to some of his guests off air about potential summer deals and all I can assume is he was told about the cavani deal...

TheDoc

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

So its gone almost exactly as I thought it would.

Usual ****e and pre-rehearsed dross we've heard after every defeat this season.

Flipside of this is that maybe he is pretty confident of his position. Is it possible that behind the scenes he has received all the relevant reassurances, and maybe they've kinda done a "Look everoyne is going to spout rubbish that you are in trouble, its not the case, relax, keep going, it will blow over"

Surely someone under immense pressure, internally, would be more defiant, more I don't know , bullish?

If we are honest, the Glazers rarely speak in the media, its a pretty tight ship including Ferguson, how any journalist can even joke about " The board will consider Moyes future" is utter garbage. It's getting ahead of the story, cause under normal circumstances this sort of carry on would get you the sack anywhere else.

Obviously he knows it's not good enough etc., but is it possible hes confident about his position?

v3ttel

I think we have also made a lot of opportunities and not taken them at home. It is something that we need to get better at and I am hopeful that will change before the end of the season

Hopeful?

We have to be careful, Olympiacos have a good team. They have some good players and we must be aware of the counter attack

Yes, we have to be careful. Of course being 2-0 down, caution should be the order of the day.

The overall theme of his presser sums up the season nicely. Flat. Uninspiring. Negative.

Rubber_Soul

After that press conference I'd say it's fairly certain Moyes isn't going anywhere just yet unfortunately. No way he is that definitive about his future without having received strong backing from the board .

Whatsisname

I'm absolutely sick to the teeth of Evra talking about fight and the team underperforming.

TheDoc

bangkok wrote: »

he works for talksport and al Jazeera tv covering all champions league games so I preume he talks to some of his guests off air about potential summer deals and all I can assume is he was told about the cavani deal...

Interesting to say the least.

WAsn't having a pop at you by the way, I just considered Keys to be out to pasture, although have seen him crop up on BT Sports panels the odd time this season

If I'm honest, while he gets alot of ****, and rightfully so, I kinda like some of his opinions and insights into certain things. Granted transfer gossip isnt one of them, but he has some opinions on stuff that I really agree with, and it's a pity ina way hes such a moron that it never catches airtime.

Leftist

TheDoc wrote: »

Flipside of this is that maybe he is pretty confident of his position. Is it possible that behind the scenes he has received all the relevant reassurances, and maybe they've kinda done a "Look everoyne is going to spout rubbish that you are in trouble, its not the case, relax, keep going, it will blow over"

that is the nightmare scenario.

but i'm sure it's true

KombuchaMshroom

"Shinji is an important player for us. It has been a difficult time for him, but Shinji is someone that we really like and is someone that will be involved at some point tomorrow,"

So Kagawa is almost certainly not starting by the sound of those comments. That means with Mata not available at least 1 of the unholy trinity is likely to start instead

Pighead

UnitedIrishman wrote: »

So its gone almost exactly as I thought it would.

Usual ****e and pre-rehearsed dross we've heard after every defeat this season.

Jesus, what more do you want the man to say. He's been asked the exact same questions every single week. Stock answer is all you should expect at this stage. 99% of all press conferences follow a similar pattern. Journo asks question that manager has been asked a million times before, manager gives stock answer. Repeat ad nauseum.

Red Crow

keeponhurling wrote: »

The thing is, if they are winning on the pitch nobody really gives a damn what is said in a press conference or who attends.

How else as the press conference going to turn out?

I think the press conference is an important medium for the manager to communicate with the fans and the public. Often they are simply irrelevant and pointless but in times like this it's an opportunity for Moyes to explain defeats and offer reassurances into the future. Something in which he was failing spectacularly. We're on a downward spiral and he is offering no fight or explaination for its cause.

He's out of his depth on every level here and he hasn't a clue what's going wrong. He's a very poor communicator.