Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

2moreMinutes

spiralism wrote: »

I think the shoe fits here. Both are clearly out of favour in recent weeks (though in Rio's case a lot of it is down to being crap now) and Giggs ignoring a meeting "as Moyes doesn't listen" sounds right given that 10 minutes into the game yesterday what he'd set us up to do was not working and Gary Neville called him on it yet he refused to change it. Same as Fulham at home, same as Olympiakos away....the list goes on. What's the point of him having a support staff at all actually? Seems they're just yesmen

So you think Moyes has Carrick watching videos of Leon Osman and he's telling Rio to be more like Jaguelka? Seriously?

If you do, what I'm about to say will highly disappoint you - those leprechauns around the country today aren't real; they're just real people dressed up.

The_Kew_Tour

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I'll be honest and put my head out to be called "gloryhunter" or whatever, but I actually was really frustrated by how "positive" the fans were after the lose. Granted, I have a feeling that a lot of the fans who would have voiced discontent had instead opted to just get out ASAP. But I felt it made a certain section of the fanbase come across as a tad blind.

Bad preformance after bad preformance, and the crowd are still singing along like nothing is going wrong. It's like the band on the Titanic really. The fans who are singing are ones who'll make it difficult to justify sackings, and if they actually showed annoyance at the ****-poor preformance, it might actually help some positive and constructive changes to come into play.

A performance like yesterdays, on the back of recent form this season, should have been enough to get the fans angry enough to let the manager, team and backroom know that enough is enough.

Its a no win for the fans. You see the snide remarks about empty seats(not as many as some would have it;)) and if fans sing they are not doing enough to get Moyes out. If the fans get angry you have other clubs fans calling us disgusting etc.

I dont think it should take the crowd to boo and get angry at Moyes for things to be seen for what they are.

NTMK

Pro. F wrote: »

Ancelotti maybe. I assume that Madrid might let him go for no good reason in the summer.

if they win nothing he'll probably be sacked and i wouldnt mind him at United

Klopp would be a nice choice developed a great team on a small budget playing good football

Conte hasnt done anything apart from spend money in a piss poor league and pep has never had to rebuild a side, inherited two world beating sides

The_Kew_Tour

niallo27 wrote: »

Well does that were left did sing their hearts out. I wonder will they continue to sell out 80k if utd continue their form into next season.

Plenty of fans were left. It was no smaller then any other side in PL in that situation.

bmcc10

What about Blanc?

spiralism

2moreMinutes wrote: »

So you think Moyes has Carrick watching videos of Leon Osman and he's telling Rio to be more like Jaguelka? Seriously?

If you do, what I'm about to say will highly disappoint you - those leprechauns around the country today aren't real; they're just real people dressed up.

Yes i do, because he's a clueless ****. Red Issue have been good on this front before, because having ran a Utd Fanzine for years they actually do have sources on the inside. Would definitely take their word for it on gossip like that.

According to that article as well the only players in the squad who back him are Rooney and Evra while Rio, Hernandez, Giggs, RVP, Carrick and Kagawa are the main culprits against him.

RVP and Carrick aside, who Moyes can ill afford to drop as it then becomes blatant, those players arent featuring. (Note that Carrick and RVP are out of form and unhappy too) Why i wonder?

Lord TSC

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its a no win for the fans. You see the snide remarks about empty seats(not as many as some would have it;)) and if fans sing they are not doing enough to get Moyes out. If the fans get angry you have other clubs fans calling us disgusting etc.

I dont think it should take the crowd to boo and get angry at Moyes for things to be seen for what they are.

Being honest, I couldnt care less what other fans think of us, especially since the overwhelming majority seem to think it's brilliant Moyes isn't being sacked, and others think it's great craic how we keep on singing as the ship sinks. What other fans think of us should never enter the equation.

There has to be repercussions on numerous levels, both for the players and the manager. And singing that performance on this run of form gives the wrong message to everyone involved.

adox

The Carrick one at the very least has to be bs.

The_Kew_Tour

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Being honest, I couldnt care less what other fans think of us, especially since the overwhelming majority seem to think it's brilliant Moyes isn't being sacked, and others think it's great craic how we keep on singing as the ship sinks. What other fans think of us should never enter the equation.

There has to be repercussions on numerous levels, both for the players and the manager. And singing that performance on this run of form gives the wrong message to everyone involved.

Well I could not give a **** either. Im more worried about United, but just you know yourself some just want to stay obsessed with us;)

Lord TSC

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Well I could not give a **** either. Im more worried about United, but just you know yourself some just want to stay obsessed with us;)

I know. They'll always be obsessed. And they'll always try and paint fans as disggusting, no matter what they do. Hence why I wouldn't take on board their opinions when it comes to singing, booing or whatever.

Red Crow

bmcc10 wrote: »

What about Blanc?

Definitely someone we should be interested in.

Rayne Wooney

Klopp is perfect for what we need, his brand of football is magnificent to watch and who knows what he can do with financial muscle behind him.

There will be no objections for him taking some players with him as well.

But it looks like he'll stay at Dortmund until Löw is finished as Germany manager and then he'll take that job, he's spoken about it before.

Vic Vinegar

Article on Giggs/Moyes further confirmation there's something not right there

Manchester United turmoil: Why has Ryan Giggs become the 'ghost of Old Trafford' under David Moyes?

Ryan Giggs's disappearance from the picture at Manchester United, on and off the pitch, is one of the more bewildering aspects of David Moyes's troubled reign

M. Ogden (Telegraph)

Full article here

onemorechance

Seems like everyone is trying to get a dig in. Drunkin tweets and gossip from fanzines. Despite RvP coming out last week to state clearly how all the tweets and gossip surrounding him was bs, folk still lap it all up!

2moreMinutes

Giggs is 40 years old. It's about bloody time he's not playing.
His coaching role is a separate matter but an article querying why a 40 year old isn't seen more regularly playing is also bs.

It's great how our current situation makes it so easy for journalists to write column inches!

spiralism

onemorechance wrote: »

Seems like everyone is trying to get a dig in. Drunkin tweets and gossip from fanzines. Despite RvP coming out last week to state clearly how all the tweets and gossip surrounding him was bs, folk still lap it all up!

He's hardly going to say otherwise though is he? Would look seriously unprofessional. He's obviously unhappy. Look at how he looks when he plays for Holland compared to us.

bucketybuck

Thought this was funny:

Also noticeable is that Moyes regularly consults Round or Neville, two of his loyal servants from Everton who have experienced success under the Scot.

Success?

2moreMinutes

bucketybuck wrote: »

Thought this was funny:

Success?

They won the Xmas table quiz together 3 years in a row at Everton.

Teamshadowclan

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

I'll be honest and put my head out to be called "gloryhunter" or whatever, but I actually was really frustrated by how "positive" the fans were after the lose. Granted, I have a feeling that a lot of the fans who would have voiced discontent had instead opted to just get out ASAP. But I felt it made a certain section of the fanbase come across as a tad blind.

Bad preformance after bad preformance, and the crowd are still singing along like nothing is going wrong. It's like the band on the Titanic really. The fans who are singing are ones who'll make it difficult to justify sackings, and if they actually showed annoyance at the ****-poor preformance, it might actually help some positive and constructive changes to come into play.

A performance like yesterdays, on the back of recent form this season, should have been enough to get the fans angry enough to let the manager, team and backroom know that enough is enough.

Your metaphor, I like it.

Ulysses Gaze

NTMK wrote: »

if they win nothing he'll probably be sacked and i wouldnt mind him at United

Klopp would be a nice choice developed a great team on a small budget playing good football

Conte hasnt done anything apart from spend money in a piss poor league and pep has never had to rebuild a side, inherited two world beating sides

I can't see Real sacking Ancelotti unless Real implode over the next few weeks. He's got the team playing well and if they win the Clasico at the weekend then they really should win the title. Even if he doesn't land them the Champions League this year, that will get him another season.

Conte has not spent that much money at Juve but it's make or break for them (and him) in the Champions League next season. If I were a Utd fan I would not want him at the helm yet.

If the rumours of Tata Martino leaving Barcelona at the end of the season are to be believed then you will have a fight on your hands to get Kloppo, as I can see Barca pursuing him as well. And that is if he ultimately wants to leave Dortmund.

I don't think Blanc will leave PSG just yet and can't see him getting sacked. Look at the embarrassment of riches he has at his disposal? Why would he want to leave?

I think the best bet may be Louis Van Gaal as a short term (2-3 years) option. By then either Klopp, Guardiola, Blanc or someone else will be available. Van Gaal will utilise the youth system at Utd (and may even improve methods there) and will start the rebuilding process. Before he ultimately falls out with everyone!

keeponhurling

adox wrote: »

The Carrick one at the very least has to be bs.

Yes it is BS. It's not Osman he has to watch videos of, it's Darron Gibson.
Seems to be working, judging by his goal v Fulham the other week.

Pro. F

Red Crow wrote: »

Conte has spent a lot of money at Juventus and they have been terrible in the Champions League. Destroying Serie A is not a great achievement considering that two of the traditional big 3 sides are on their knees.

Two poor games against the excellent Bayern last year got them knocked out, with Buffon letting in very soft goals. Then this year they lost out to Galatasaray because of shenanigans with the home team digging up half their pitch. I wouldn't hold that CL record as much of a mark against him.

A bigger concern for me would be that Conte's career has been relatively short so far, so it's not a lot of evidence to judge him on. Add to that the fact that he may well not be the man in charge of transfers at Juve. That's a big issue for me. Imo it's often very hard to judge managers at Italian clubs because of how those clubs tend to run player recruitment.

shadowcomplex

RVP , Fellaini and Mata should all not have been signed.

In the summer when fergie signed Kagawa the plan was to play him just behind Rooney and united should have stuck to that and used the money to strengthened in other areas, RVP was a success but we would have been better off if we had used that money for a world class central midfielder.

Mata too another world class player shouldnt have been signed because kagawa was already there , the money used to buy him should have also been used for a worldclass central midfielder also and strengthen other areas

Fellaini is just not good enough and his best position was as a number 10 anyway.

Do ye in all honestly think we would be any weaker if we didn't have mata, rvp and fellaini if this was our team

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Dea-Gea

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Rafael

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Vidic

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Evans

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Evra

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New World Class Midfielder-New Worldclass Midfielder----

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Nani/Valencia

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Young/Januzai

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Kagawa

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Rooney

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There's still obvious weaknesses to the above team but Im just trying to make the point that the rvp,mata and fellaini money which is almost 90m could and should have been spent on 2 world class central midfielders and we would have been much better off

beno619

Fellaini is a CM and has been since he started his professional football career. CM is his best position.

Paul Tergat

2moreMinutes wrote: »

They won the Xmas table quiz together 3 years in a row at Everton.

No, they just didnt lose it! The tactics were to put off the other team while they were answering questions

spiralism

Ive said this before on Conte....he won't go. He's a Juve legend, former captain and loves the club. We can forget about him.

Klopp is unlikely too imo, he's very committed to Dortmund

Really the best options are De Boer, Simeone and Van Gaal in that order.

spiralism

Paul Tergat wrote: »

No, they just didnt lose it! The tactics were to put off the other team while they were answering questions

Yeah, they finished second to Tim Howards team, despite half of his answers being outburts of random expletives.

Fanny Brioscaí

Roberto Martinez would be my number one choice followed by Jurgen Klopp or Van Gaal.

I do think Barcelona well come in Klopp or Martinez in the summer.

Will I Amnt

Martinez???
Really?

Timmyctc

Will I Amnt wrote: »

Martinez???
Really?

Well he's taken Everton from 6th to..... well... 6th :pac: