Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

xtal191

Red Issue ‏@RedIssue 32m

Senior player ripped into Moyes ("clueless") and the coaching staff ("useless") before storming out. Full details at http://redissueforum.co.uk

Anyone a member?

xtal191

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Raphael Honigstein ‏@honigstein 1m

From what I've been told, Moyes' biggest problem is not tactics, but lacking necessary people skills."Can't lift anybody", "indecisive".

MagicMarker

xtal191 wrote: »

Anyone a member?

Read the thread. It's been mentioned about 50 ****ing times already.

Vic Vinegar

No sign of a Moyes out petition yet? Cleverley got one, Moyes is having a far worse season than him.

Lord TSC

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

No sign of a Moyes out petition yet? Cleverley got one, Moyes is having a far worse season than him.

There's hundreds of them on Twitter...

Will I Amnt

Blatter wrote: »

Wouldn't be so sure. I don't think it'd be the best way for him to play his cards.

If he leaves due to a mutual agreement, he's essentially admitting to the world that he wasn't up to the job and he is the main problem.

If he waits till he's sacked, he'll get a bigger pay off and will be able to claim 'the squad I was left with wasn't good enough', 'expirienced players let me down' etc. which will be lapped up by a small but not insignificant proportion of the footballing sphere in the UK and his reputation will be preserved somewhat.

I don't think there's any reputation to preserve at this level. He's never going to get a job anywhere near this level again.

I just don't feel he is arrogant or ballsy enough to continue on with no improvement.

Vic Vinegar

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

There's hundreds of them on Twitter...

Ah right, i'm not condoning the use of them, was just wondering as i hadn't seen any mentioned.

niallo27

Red Crow wrote: »

Who do we get in as manager if we sack Moyes? I think that if we slipped to 14th over the next couple of weeks that Moyes would still see out the season.

The right man for the job is Klopp but there is no way we could get him.

Why not. The utd job is one of the biggest in the world. Who would not want that challenge. Pep would be up for it as well I would think. I would say he will get bored quickly with winning the German league by 20 points.

niallo27

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I don't think there's any reputation to preserve at this level. He's never going to get a job anywhere near this level again.

I just don't feel he is arrogant or ballsy enough to continue on with no improvement.

Hodgson got the England gig after the liverpool disaster.

Blatter

Will I Amnt wrote: »

I don't think there's any reputation to preserve at this level. He's never going to get a job anywhere near this level again.

I just don't feel he is arrogant or ballsy enough to continue on with no improvement.

I wasn't suggesting he'd have much hope of managing a top club again, more about remaining somewhat attractive to upper midtable clubs. I think if he walks and admits he wasn't up to the job he loses more credibility than if he's sacked.

Red Crow

FT picking up on the Nike story now...

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Crucially, it also appears to have loyal supporters in the shape of its investors. Shares in Nike have ticked up by almost 19 per cent in the past six months – neatly mirroring the steady upturn of its iconic swoosh insignia.

Although the key word there is rumoured.

Vic Vinegar

Blatter wrote: »

I wasn't suggesting he'd have much hope of managing a top club again, more about remaining somewhat attractive to upper midtable clubs. I think if he walks and admits he wasn't up to the job he loses more credibility than if he's sacked.

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that Moyes needed convincing to take the job in the first place due to low self confidence. I wouldn't doubt it watching his performance this season.

Robson99

Would always have been in the ' Give Moyes time' camp but after yesterday I have lost all faith in him. He is totally out of his depth. A rabbit in the headlights. The man has no clue tactically whatsoever.

We have been criticizing Cleverly, Valencia, Young, Fellani etc etc but in fairness we have some of the best players in the world in Rooney, RVP, Mata, Kagawa and they look completely lost. You could put Messi and Ronaldo in the team at the moment and it wouldnt make one bit of difference

We dont even look like creating a chance at the moment let alone scoring a goal. Going over Wed night and in over 20 years travelling over I have never been as disinterested in going.

At this stage I hope we dont qualify for the Europa league because I fear if we do and Moyes is in charge next season things will be even worse

Headshot

Klopp would be the ideal replacement. I seriously think we would have a good chance getting him too. I know he's loved in Dortmund but why stay in a league that he'll never win again? Why stay with a club that is just a feeder club now?

But if the worse happens, who else could take the job?

Right now my back up would be Conte

Red Crow

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

I'm pretty sure i read somewhere that Moyes needed convincing to take the job in the first place due to low self confidence. I wouldn't doubt it watching his performance this season.

I think Sheedy's comments are quite damming. It's hard to gage how Moyes got the job. He's similar to Ferguson in the sense that they are both Glaswegians, both came from protestant-Scottish families, both mingled in the same circles in England, both are huge Labour Party supporters and supported similar causes and both appear to be your sterotypical Scottish characters.

Ferguson was a winner and set about a period of change in Manchester United when he took over, transforming the club and making huge changes to the culture of the club while eliminating the booze and fags habit that stagnated the club. Moyes is a mediocre manager. He's won nothing and has never had a team where winning 100% of the time is expected, demanded.

Ferguson is in another universe to Moyes but I'm convinced that had Moyes been a Tory-supporting, English, anti-union man then Ferguson would probably of not recommended him to be his successor. The only similarities the two men have are non-football ones. The sad part is that I think that Ferguson having been through a tough period managing United in the past will give Moyes time. Moyes may learn and develop into a better manager but we can't offer him that time. Moyes is a friend of Ferguson which makes this whole process even more complex.

Pro. F

Headshot wrote: »

Klopp would be the ideal replacement. I seriously think we would have a good chance getting him too. I know he's loved in Dortmund but why stay in a league that he'll never win again? Why stay with a club that is just a feeder club now?

But if the worse happens, who else could take the job?

Right now my back up would be Conte

Ancelotti maybe. I assume that Madrid might let him go for no good reason in the summer.

Red Crow

Headshot wrote: »

Klopp would be the ideal replacement. I seriously think we would have a good chance getting him too. I know he's loved in Dortmund but why stay in a league that he'll never win again? Why stay with a club that is just a feeder club now?

But if the worse happens, who else could take the job?

Right now my back up with be Conte

Conte has spent a lot of money at Juventus and they have been terrible in the Champions League. Destroying Serie A is not a great achievement considering that two of the traditional big 3 sides are on their knees.

Klopp would be ideal but if not him then it would have to be Diego Simeone. Either one of those managers would be a great choice. After that I think there is a pretty big drop off. Louis van Gaal wouldn't be long term and therefore I don't think he'd be first choice.

If we were to sack the manager right now I'd like to see Marcelo Bielsa be given the job until the end of the season.

Vic Vinegar

How much does a subscription to that Red Issue site cost and is it worth it?

It would have to be pretty special to justify spending money on tbh.

Vic Vinegar

Red Crow wrote: »

If we were to sack the manager right now I'd like to see Marcelo Bielsa be given the job until the end of the season.

That guy is a bit nuts but i love his team's playing style.

tinofapples

I think it's good that so many on thread have moved onto talking about a replacement for Moyes, just wish the board/glaziers had started thinking likewise. It's impossible to say how either Klopp or Simeone would adapt to the PL bit they both have been successful so far and have achieved more in their short careers than Moyes has managed to do in his 10+ years. I was disappointed and unexcited by Moyes appointment but like any supporter was willing to give him a chance. That expired during and after a certain match in Greece a couple of weeks ago. Role on the summer and a managerial change. We won't overturn Olympiakos as we won't keep a clean sheet. Hopefully that along with no European football next season will alert the powers that be of Moyes inability.

Yurt

xtal191 wrote: »

Anyone a member?

I'm a member this is probably the most interesting bit to take from it.

The latest edition of Red Issue claims that club legend Ryan Giggs recently skipped a coaches’ meeting, later telling Phil Neville it was “pointless, as Moyes doesn’t listen”.

United Midfielder Michael Carrick is also reportedly unhappy after his wife Lisa told close friends that Michael comes home dejected most evenings after being forced to spend hours watching videos of Leon Osman. .

And the fanzine also claims that Rio Ferdinand has fallen out with Moyes after growing tired of being asked to emulate the efforts of Everton centre-back Phil Jagielka.

The reports claim:

“Moyes did not like being asked ‘how does what Jagielka would do have anything to do with how United do things?’”

2moreMinutes

I call bs on the Jagielka and Osman bits in the above quote which leads me to call bs on it all which leads me to pity those who believe such obvious crap.

spiralism

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

How much does a subscription to that Red Issue site cost and is it worth it?

It would have to be pretty special to justify spending money on tbh.

I think the subscription mentioned on the site is for the fanzine, which is generally worth it in fairness.

That Carrick-Osman bit has to be a joke?

spiralism

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I call bs on the Jagielka and Osman bits in the above quote which leads me to call bs on it all which leads me to pity those who believe such obvious crap.

I think the shoe fits here. Both are clearly out of favour in recent weeks (though in Rio's case a lot of it is down to being crap now) and Giggs ignoring a meeting "as Moyes doesn't listen" sounds right given that 10 minutes into the game yesterday what he'd set us up to do was not working and Gary Neville called him on it yet he refused to change it. Same as Fulham at home, same as Olympiakos away....the list goes on. What's the point of him having a support staff at all actually? Seems they're just yesmen

Will I Amnt

Red Issue is full of sh*t and always has been. I wouldn't read anything into any of that stuff, it's laughable really.

The_Kew_Tour

One thing that was positive yesterday was the fans singing right till the end.

Glory Hunters? yeh right

spiralism

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

One thing that was positive yesterday was the fans singing right till the end.

Glory Hunters? yeh right

One year on from a title and David Moyes has us playing the Liverpool "our fans are great at least" card while we rot near midtable and look hopeless.

Lord TSC

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

One thing that was positive yesterday was the fans singing right till the end.

Glory Hunters? yeh right

I'll be honest and put my head out to be called "gloryhunter" or whatever, but I actually was really frustrated by how "positive" the fans were after the lose. Granted, I have a feeling that a lot of the fans who would have voiced discontent had instead opted to just get out ASAP. But I felt it made a certain section of the fanbase come across as a tad blind.

Bad preformance after bad preformance, and the crowd are still singing along like nothing is going wrong. It's like the band on the Titanic really. The fans who are singing are ones who'll make it difficult to justify sackings, and if they actually showed annoyance at the ****-poor preformance, it might actually help some positive and constructive changes to come into play.

A performance like yesterdays, on the back of recent form this season, should have been enough to get the fans angry enough to let the manager, team and backroom know that enough is enough.

niallo27

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

One thing that was positive yesterday was the fans singing right till the end.

Glory Hunters? yeh right

Well those that were left did sing their hearts out. I wonder will they continue to sell out 80k if utd continue their form into next season.