Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

jebus84

K4t wrote: »

Might seem strange but I'd really like to see Liverpool win the league now. Growing up as a United fan in Ireland I never truly understood the rivalry with Man City but the hatred instilled in me towards Liverpool was an indoctrination rivaled only by the catholic church.

But as an adult now I always try and consider myself a fan of football first and foremost and a fan of Man Utd second, and it's hard now not to be rooting for Liverpool somewhere deep down in my heart of hearts. They haven't had it easy, they or the fans, and as much hate and vitriol they threw at Utd and us over the last 20 years, I think amidst the jealousy, there was a hint of admiration and a sense of hope which they claimed from our march to the top under Ferguson. As said, they've done it the hard way under a very good manager in Rogers and without cashing in.

Ferguson knocked them off their perch and if, god forbid, they climb back up, at least we'll have the challenge of knocking them off again.

GTFO

Pro. F

Robson99 wrote: »

There hasnt or isnt any player as good as Rio has been to play along side him. Time catching up on Rio has been a big blow to us defensively this season and I think he will prove to be harder to replace than Vidic

None of that changes the fact that your claim that Vidic isn't near as good without Rio doesn't have good evidence to support it.

wonderfullife

witnessmenow wrote: »

I really don't mean this as a dig, but you are looking at mediocrity too long if you think Fellani had a great game. Defensively he did OK at times, can't question his effort but he offered nothing creatively.

The sooner Evra leaves the better for united in my opinion. I was disgusted with his reaction when Rooney miss placed a pass in the second half, threw his hands in the air and walked back as Rooney was bursting a gut to get back, it was shameful.

watch the first 5 mins again, only the first 5, Fellaini either gave away or was dispossessed 4 times in the opening 5 mins.

He was far from the worst player on the pitch but that's owing to the fact there were 10 solid candidates for that honour.

For that previous poster to claim ANY of them had an "excellent game" is mind boggling.

Incidentally, amusing to see how many people are applauding the fans for their display at the end of the game. Interesting and amusing. I seem to recall our Irish fans in Poland getting absolutely mullered for singing their hearts out when getting thumped by Spain.

If anything, the Irish fans or so-called "plastic fans" deserve some respect for their loyalty - mainly due to the fact that Spain are on a different planet to us and getting whooped by them is no disgrace.

Getting hammered 3-0 at home to Liverpool isn't even a disgrace in isolation either. With Suarez and Sturridge, they can do that to any side on their day.

However, taken in the context of the entire season it's absolutely a disgraceful performance and result. It (easily) could have been 5 or 6 and nobody could have argued it was undeserved.

70 odd mins of seeing one of the worst displays in living memory and Moyes responds with Cleverley and Wellbeck. The former of which must be having serious confidence issues (irrespective of his ability) and the latter had a good game against Olympiakos and should have been on at half time.

Mata was (again) absolutely woeful relative to the best of his ability. Mourinho laughing his way to the bank and possibly title with that piece of business. Interesting nonetheless that both Mata and Kagawa are pure shells of their former glory. Either they are BOTH going down the Torres route of losing it completely or, well, maybe it's Moyes fault.

The excuses for Moyes have to stop. He doesn't deserve more time. He's already on 'more time'. You only give a manager more time when there are signs of progress.

I'm saying this for Moyes sake too. This experience at Old Trafford has the potential to completely ruin his career. He must be mentally suffering badly right now. At least give the poor fella a chance at a career. Get him out now, admit it was a bad fit, and i'm sure he'll get another go at management. If this drags on for another season and he ruins the club completely, it'd take a brave chairman/owner to give him another go.

For everyones sake, pay up his contract, shake his hand and wish him well. He can spend 5 months on holidays or with the family and come back refreshed at a new club with a determination to prove himself. He's always come across as a decent man and both him and the club deserve a better future. That can only happen when they part ways.

Pig-headed stubborness could literally ruin the man and the club. Admit it's a bad fit, a mistake and do the right thing. Correct the mistake. For the clubs sake and for the mans sake.

user2011

K4t wrote: »

Might seem strange but I'd really like to see Liverpool win the league now. Growing up as a United fan in Ireland I never truly understood the rivalry with Man City but the hatred instilled in me towards Liverpool was an indoctrination rivaled only by the catholic church.

But as an adult now I always try and consider myself a fan of football first and foremost and a fan of Man Utd second, and it's hard now not to be rooting for Liverpool somewhere deep down in my heart of hearts. They haven't had it easy, they or the fans, and as much hate and vitriol they threw at Utd and us over the last 20 years, I think amidst the jealousy, there was a hint of admiration and a sense of hope which they claimed from our march to the top under Ferguson. As said, they've done it the hard way under a very good manager in Rogers and without cashing in.

Ferguson knocked them off their perch and if, god forbid, they climb back up, at least we'll have the challenge of knocking them off again.

Mods:mad: He is trolling right? rightttt...

Pro. F

Irish94 wrote: »

Just out of curiosity do people think Rafael can be our long term RB?

Just thinking of his challenge on Gerrard today, there was no need for it. A very silly rash challenge, he is way too fond of these kind of tackles. Can also be a bit reckless with his positioning.

Don't get me wrong, he can be brilliant at times, but I would like to hear some opinions.

Of course he can. He's got a lot of quality, but he needs to become more consistent. He is 23. This is normal.

Saucy McKetchup

Pro. F wrote: »

You were probably abused because so many people dislike you because you whine like you are doing in this post so often.

Spot on, it's like talking to Simon cowell

2moreMinutes

Pro. F wrote: »

It was a clean and hard tackle on their captain who is old. It was in an area of the pitch where it was safe to make it. It was exactly the type of tackle you want to see in a big derby game.

The fact that Jones got himself hurt making the tackle, and gets hurt so often, is a worry. If you said that was the issue, I would agree. But complaining about the tackle itself is all sorts of wrong.

I think the point he was making is the one you acknowledged in your second paragraph.
Jones just looks awkward when going to ground. Hopefully he can sort that out or he's as likely to injure himself as whoever he's tackling.

n32

Pro. F wrote: »

It was a clean and hard tackle on their captain who is old. It was in an area of the pitch where it was safe to make it. It was exactly the type of tackle you want to see in a big derby game.

The fact that Jones got himself hurt making the tackle, and gets hurt so often, is a worry. If you said that was the issue, I would agree. But complaining about the tackle itself is all sorts of wrong.

Jones needs to learn that nicking the ball is ok sometimes instead of going in like a Panzer Division. He got injured against Reading last year with a needless bulldozer of a tackle in a position where there was no danger. That injury kept him out of the Madrid second leg. Pointless!!!

I love to see a good hard tackle going in but its risky. You re leaving yourself open to injury and a ref interpreting it as a red card. Rio was the master of reading the game well and making an interception instead of having to lunge into a tackle. Rio has taken a lot of criticism but in his prime there werent many classier CBs. He rarely gave away a free kick. Jones needs to calm down with his tackling and learn from Rio

Whatsisname

I would never ever like to see Liverpool win the league. The world would come to a stand still, for **** sake we still hear about Istanbul regularly nearly 10 years on. Its a bit like them wanting us to catch up on them in terms of CL cups, it'd never happen in a million years, no way should we ever like to see them win the league.


If I could pick any of the top 4 now, it'd be Arsenal, I admire them the most.

MisterAnarchy

K4t wrote: »

Might seem strange but I'd really like to see Liverpool win the league now. Growing up as a United fan in Ireland I never truly understood the rivalry with Man City but the hatred instilled in me towards Liverpool was an indoctrination rivaled only by the catholic church.

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Yeah I wouldnt mind seeing Liverpool win the league ,they are playing good football and arent trying to buy titles.
Arsenal would be my favourites to win the league but I dont think they have the bottle to do so.

I obviously wouldnt like to see Man City win it but Chelsea are the team I'd hate most to see win it,they are awful to watch and I detest Mourinhos mind games .

Whilst I wouldnt mind seeing Liverpool win,and I think they have a good chance with their remaining fixtures I suspect their fans wouldnt be long rubbing Utd fans noses in it.
You only have to read some of the posts in the match thread today to realise that Utd fans would never hear the end of it if Liverpool won the league.

J. Marston

zerks wrote: »

Giggs & Neville having dinner tonight,that's gonna be an interesting conversation between them.

Neville, he was a right gimp during commentary today.

"That's a penalty."

Replay shows Sturridge diving...

"Well, Vidic deserved it for sliding in."

Clown is terrified of criticising any England player or United's coaching team since his brother is on it.

You'd get more sense coming from Jamie Redknapp than Neville these days when the topic is Man United.

K4t

Robson99 wrote: »

Aah no Ted.

jebus84 wrote: »

GTFO

The part that hurt me most about today wasn't the result or it's humiliating nature, not even close.

It was several other things. It was the sight of Januzaj being taken off and walking to the subs bench like a lost child (a player who when he came into the first team a few months ago and was a breath of fresh air, played with the apathy of youth in a god way, of Welbeck (a player I admire emmensely and will always maintain has the potential to be world class, running around when he came on like someone who won a competition to play 15 minutes for Man Utd, of Rafael busting a gut from the first minute to the last, perhaps the only Utd player today who you feel actually understood it was Liverpool we were playing, at Old Trafford.

These things made me sad, and made me realise that there is a lot more problems at Man Utd than David Moyes and his backroom team. And these problems were there or at least sings of them were already evident under Ferguson, who has to take a massive responsibility for the whole debacle.

Interesting and exciting times ahead.

Pro. F

2moreMinutes wrote: »

I think the point he was making is the one you acknowledged in your second paragraph.
Jones just looks awkward when going to ground. Hopefully he can sort that out or he's as likely to injure himself as whoever he's tackling.

But he wasn't awkward making that tackle. It was an excellent tackle.

n32 wrote: »

Jones needs to learn that nicking the ball is ok sometimes instead of going in like a Panzer Division. He got injured against Reading last year with a needless bulldozer of a tackle in a position where there was no danger. That injury kept him out of the Madrid second leg. Pointless!!!

I love to see a good hard tackle going in but its risky. You re leaving yourself open to injury and a ref interpreting it as a red card. Rio was the master of reading the game well and making an interception instead of having to lunge into a tackle. Rio has taken a lot of criticism but in his prime there werent many classier CBs. He rarely gave away a free kick. Jones needs to calm down with his tackling and learn from Rio

Or he could learn from Vidic who was just as good a centre back as Rio in his prime.

K-9

K4t wrote: »

Might seem strange but I'd really like to see Liverpool win the league now. Growing up as a United fan in Ireland I never truly understood the rivalry with Man City but the hatred instilled in me towards Liverpool was an indoctrination rivaled only by the catholic church.

But as an adult now I always try and consider myself a fan of football first and foremost and a fan of Man Utd second, and it's hard now not to be rooting for Liverpool somewhere deep down in my heart of hearts. They haven't had it easy, they or the fans, and as much hate and vitriol they threw at Utd and us over the last 20 years, I think amidst the jealousy, there was a hint of admiration and a sense of hope which they claimed from our march to the top under Ferguson. As said, they've done it the hard way under a very good manager in Rogers and without cashing in.

Ferguson knocked them off their perch and if, god forbid, they climb back up, at least we'll have the challenge of knocking them off again.

OK, I'll get my dig in first, today felt nothing special, yep, dreaded the build up and us landing on our arse, but this team has me doubting myself!

Since you got the 19th, the rivalry isn't as intense. I'd say today was like you losing to Liverpool when the 3 points didn't matter that much, you'd your 19th and 20th to fall on, we were back to mid table mediocrity.

Today just lacked that spark, people walking out of seats after the third goal.

I don't know if Rodgers is the real deal, but he's getting me believing. Moyes seems to be the antithesis of that, believers are now doubters. I think Moyes has gone past the point of pure, baseless belief in a club, even hard core Catholic Church adherents would find it hard to find a missive to defend Moyes!

MisterAnarchy

J. Marston wrote: »

Neville, he was a right gimp during commentary today.

"That's a penalty."

Replay shows Sturridge diving...

"Well, Vidic deserved it for sliding in."

It was a deplorable comment to make,condoning Sturridge's cheating behaviour.
That sort of behaviour has to be stamped out of the game,Sturridge should get a 2 match ban .

Neville works for Sky ,they havent a clue ,their coverage is aimed at the lowest common denominator and is a propaganda machine.
Souness was blatantly plugging the EPL today saying how its the best league in the world blah blah blah.

user2011

K4t wrote: »

The part that hurt me most about today wasn't the result or it's humiliating nature, not even close.

It was several other things. It was the sight of Januzaj being taken off and walking to the subs bench like a lost child (a player who when he came into the first team a few months ago and was a breath of fresh air, played with the apathy of youth in a god way, of Welbeck (a player I admire emmensely and will always maintain has the potential to be world class, running around when he came on like someone who won a competition to play 15 minutes for Man Utd, of Rafael busting a gut from the first minute to the last, perhaps the only Utd player today who you feel actually understood it was Liverpool we were playing, at Old Trafford.

These things made me sad, and made me realise that there is a lot more problems at Man Utd than David Moyes and his backroom team. And these problems were there or at least sings of them were already evident under Ferguson, who has to take a massive responsibility for the whole debacle.

Interesting and exciting times ahead.

But the cardinal sin was said in your previous post so what has been said is a bit meh tbh. If we where heading out of of business these would not be the last words i would say f**king hell man seriously wtf.

K4t

user2011 wrote: »

But the cardinal sin was said in your previous post so what has been said is a bit meh tbh. If we where heading out of of business these would not be the last words i would say f**king hell man seriously wtf.

Manchester United is not going out of business and there's slim chance of it happening in our lifetime so relax

The fact is, the 'transition' we heard so much about over the last year is really just beginning. I think Ferguson knew this great team he had built was coming to an end before last season, and he signed RVP (the quick fix you might say) and launched one last push to a title and a very respectable CL campaign too.

Perhaps he didn't truly believe the situation was as bad it was going to be judging on this season's events, but he certainly knew there was going to be a struggle ahead (hence the forewarning speech to the fans at OT last season). The more I think about it, the less and less blame I have for Moyes to be honest.

counterlock

The only positive we can take out of today is that we got through that sh1tstorm without a mod warning in the thread title

eigrod

Perhaps Ferguson should've consulted with Kevin Sheedy before putting forward his successor :

Kevin Sheedy ‏@kevin11sheedy · 14m
All of you out there moyes was never interested in our youth team or players.

Kevin Sheedy ‏@kevin11sheedy · 2h
Punt the ball up to Fellaini. Great viewing.

Gary Guyers ‏@garyefc1982 · 2h
“@kevin11sheedy: Punt the ball up to Fellaini. Great viewing.” Haha heard you didn't like moyes an he wasn't interested in youth players

Kevin Sheedy ‏@kevin11sheedy · 1h
@garyefc1982 Correct on both counts Gary.

Kevin Sheedy ‏@kevin11sheedy · 1h
@GeorgeRobboEFC George chill. We now have a Manager who wants to win games. COYB.

Pro. F

K4t wrote: »

The more I think about it, the less and less blame I have for Moyes to be honest.

This is quality.

monkey9

K4t wrote: »

Might seem strange but I'd really like to see Liverpool win the league now. Growing up as a United fan in Ireland I never truly understood the rivalry with Man City but the hatred instilled in me towards Liverpool was an indoctrination rivaled only by the catholic church.

But as an adult now I always try and consider myself a fan of football first and foremost and a fan of Man Utd second, and it's hard now not to be rooting for Liverpool somewhere deep down in my heart of hearts. They haven't had it easy, they or the fans, and as much hate and vitriol they threw at Utd and us over the last 20 years, I think amidst the jealousy, there was a hint of admiration and a sense of hope which they claimed from our march to the top under Ferguson. As said, they've done it the hard way under a very good manager in Rogers and without cashing in.

Ferguson knocked them off their perch and if, god forbid, they climb back up, at least we'll have the challenge of knocking them off again.

I can only assume you're on the p!ss for Paddy's Day. This is vomit inducing and I'm a Liverpool fan.

K4t

Pro. F wrote: »

This is quality.

He was given the job based on his predecessor's personal recommendation (someone who is worshiped and adored by Utd fans) and has obviously tried his best, and done what he feels is his best for the club. Say whatever you like about the man, but he doesn't strike me as someone just there for the ride and the paycheque. He's obviously a decent, hard working guy with an extensive knowledge of football.

Is he a good enough manager for the Utd job, for this level? Most of what we've seen so far would point to no unfortunately. But then that doesn't explain the story fully either, as I alluded to in my previous post which you chose to just quote the final line from with no context! I think it's very debatable whether another manager would have us competing for the title this season, or that much ahead of where we currently are. Would we be playing better football under a Guardiola or a Pochettino? Probably. Would we be a better defensive unit under Mourinho? Possibly. Would it really make a huge difference in where we stand in the league. I don't think so. Would they have made the signings that Moyes failed to make this season? Debatable. I think at best we'd be challenging for 4th spot (which would be great at this stage now I know!).

Moyes deserves a chance to do things his way. He wasn't brought in to steady the ship. Nobody can steady a sinking one. But they can limit the damage and build a new one. And I think he will do that over the next few years.

user2011

K4t wrote: »

Manchester United is not going out of business and there's slim chance of it happening in our lifetime so relax

The fact is, the 'transition' we heard so much about over the last year is really just beginning. I think Ferguson knew this great team he had built was coming to an end before last season, and he signed RVP (the quick fix you might say) and launched one last push to a title and a very respectable CL campaign too.

Perhaps he didn't truly believe the situation was as bad it was going to be judging on this season's events, but he certainly knew there was going to be a struggle ahead (hence the forewarning speech to the fans at OT last season). The more I think about it, the less and less blame I have for Moyes to be honest.

That all sounds good but I've got that silly thing "hoping Liverpool win the title" coming out of a United fans finger tips burning my eyes. :mad: There ain't a hope in hell of a United fan I thought would say that.

J. Marston

Want Liverpool to win the league? Ha.

I'm basically a Chelsea/City/Arsenal fan for the rest of the season.

Schwiiing

J. Marston wrote: »

Want Liverpool to win the league? Ha.

I'm basically a Chelsea/City/Arsenal fan for the rest of the season.

:eek::(:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

K4t

user2011 wrote: »

That all sounds good but I've got that silly thing "hoping Liverpool win the title" coming out of a United fans finger tips burning my eyes. :mad: There ain't a hope in hell of a United fan I thought would say that.

Understand completely what you're saying.

However, as I already mentioned earlier, I consider myself a fan of football rather than being a fan of a single club, even though I've supported Utd for near on 20 years now! I love the game and I really love to play it, and I'm really glad my dad was a Utd fan and I chose them as a kid after some tinkering with the Scum! They're a great club with a great ethos and by and large set a good example, as much as football clubs can do. Plus they're obviously pretty damn successful which doesn't hurt.
I'll always be a Utd fan and I'll always support Utd against any other team. But I'll never hate rivals of Utd simply because they are our rivals. Someone mentioned Istanbul in a negative sense earlier and I smiled, as I willed Liverpool on that night, as did my dad who was watching the game elsewhere at the time, and he's the first to knock them down given half a chance.

If we were challenging for the league, would I want Liverpool or anyone else to win? Obviously not. But we're not challenging, not even close. And Liverpool are playing some great attacking football this season without writing blank cheques and it's refreshing to see. If they do go on and win it (big if) nobody can say they won't deserve it.

jebus84

K4t wrote: »

Understand completely what you're saying.

However, as I already mentioned earlier, I consider myself a fan of football rather than being a fan of a single club, even though I've supported Utd for near on 20 years now! I love the game and I really love to play it, and I'm really glad my dad was a Utd fan and I chose them as a kid after some tinkering with the Scum! They're a great club with a great ethos and by and large set a good example, as much as football clubs can do. Plus they're obviously pretty damn successful which doesn't hurt.
I'll always be a Utd fan and I'll always support Utd against any other team. But I'll never hate rivals of Utd simply because they are our rivals. Someone mentioned Istanbul in a negative sense earlier and I smiled, as I willed Liverpool on that night, as did my dad who was watching the game elsewhere at the time, and he's the first to knock them down given half a chance.

If we were challenging for the league, would I want Liverpool or anyone else to win? Obviously not. But we're not challenging, not even close. And Liverpool are playing some great attacking football this season without writing blank cheques and it's refreshing to see. If they do go on and win it (big if) nobody can say they won't deserve it.

Your digging yourself some hole here,and your not using this football fan stuff as a ladder to get out of it

Demosthenese

K4t wrote: »

Understand completely what you're saying.

However, as I already mentioned earlier, I consider myself a fan of football rather than being a fan of a single club, even though I've supported Utd for near on 20 years now! I love the game and I really love to play it, and I'm really glad my dad was a Utd fan and I chose them as a kid after some tinkering with the Scum! They're a great club with a great ethos and by and large set a good example, as much as football clubs can do. Plus they're obviously pretty damn successful which doesn't hurt.
I'll always be a Utd fan and I'll always support Utd against any other team. But I'll never hate rivals of Utd simply because they are our rivals. Someone mentioned Istanbul in a negative sense earlier and I smiled, as I willed Liverpool on that night, as did my dad who was watching the game elsewhere at the time, and he's the first to knock them down given half a chance.

If we were challenging for the league, would I want Liverpool or anyone else to win? Obviously not. But we're not challenging, not even close. And Liverpool are playing some great attacking football this season without writing blank cheques and it's refreshing to see. If they do go on and win it (big if) nobody can say they won't deserve it.

You gotta understand that there are plenty of people out there that watch football but have no clue what it really means to support and play football. People who mistake winning with liking the game - watch with rose tinted glasses and do not appreciate what other brands of football bring - i used to love watching Arsenal in particular and even though they had a run of success under the early Wenger years, they were still great to watch when not winning anything - great football should be admired no matter who is playing it. Even though City are hated more so cos of the money they've spent they still play some great football, and Liverpool are another example of someone achieving something with superb attacking football.

An appreciation of the game usually comes with a little age and experience - maturity. So expect to be ridiculed. But well said.

dfx-

MagicMarker wrote: »

Do you ever STFU?

De Gea's save was ****ing immense.

keep it civil please.

K4t

jebus84 wrote: »

Your digging yourself some hole here,and your not using this football fan stuff as a ladder to get out of it

I've climbed out of the hole. Come up and join me.