Manchester United Superthread 2014 Mod warning Post #1880 #2613

NTMK

onemorechance wrote: »

If they bring 3 keepers, surely he'll be picked now that Valdes is out injured.

Lopez will be brought along with cas and reina

RasTa

onemorechance wrote: »

If they bring 3 keepers, surely he'll be picked now that Valdes is out injured.

Forgot about that, who knows. Iker hasn't even played a league game this season

Mitch Connor

RasTa wrote: »

Very surprised that Reina is going to be picked for the WC squad ahead of him.

Casillas too.

I do find it odd that Spain are going to select 3 keepers over 30 for the squad.

All are good keepers. Casilas has done well in the games he has played, and same for Lopez. Not going to comment on Reina, as I've seen nothing of him. But I would have thought one of the backup keepers should be dropped for De Gea - get him involved in the squad at crunch time, even if you don't plan on using him. The only good reason I could see for not selecting him in the squad is that the manger simply doesn't rate him and doesn't see him as a potential no.1.

I would argue this for EVERY team going to the WC as well. First choice keeper - experienced backup - potential number 1 in years to come. Of all positions in the squad, the 3rd choice keeper is the easiest one to select a young keeper in, and I wouldn't even class DDG as a young keep in that sense (as opposed to Jack Butland in the england squad for 2012)

Mitch Connor

RasTa wrote: »

Forgot about that, who knows. Iker hasn't even played a league game this season

He has played all the cup games and CL games though, and performed well, as he has done for Spain too - his position at Real is an oddity, but I don't think there is justification for him to be dropped from the Spain squad (or as first choice)

NTMK

Mitch Connor wrote: »

He has played all the cup games and CL games though, and performed well, as he has done for Spain too - his position at Real is an oddity, but I don't think there is justification for him to be dropped from the Spain squad (or as first choice)

His position at real is the issue keepers can have where they lose their spot for whatever reason and have to wait it out as theres no justification for dropping his replacement


As for Del bosques choices for keeper he's a bit of a nut case always a has been but a solid manager

ArmaniJeanss

Reina seems to have a role which transcends the normal '3rd choice wont play' keeper.
By all accounts he is a key member, the guy who'll spend 10 hours a day doing freekick practise with forwards and defence, peacemaker when any hassle breaks out, friend and encourager of the newer squad members etc.

Which is not to say DDG shouldn't be there but its a little more complicated than 'Reina is old, DDG is the future'

Cartman78

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Reina seems to have a role which transcends the normal '3rd choice wont play' keeper.
By all accounts he is a key member, the guy who'll spend 10 hours a day doing freekick practise with forwards and defence, peacemaker when any hassle breaks out, friend and encourager of the newer squad members etc.

Which is not to say DDG shouldn't be there but its a little more complicated than 'Reina is old, DDG is the future'

For Spain, Reina is more of a hype man/party liason officer than anything else

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De Gea not going to the world cup would be criminal. I am surprised he is not pushing to be their starting keeper.

Rayne Wooney

Shaw to Chelsea is like Bale was to Madrid, just a matter of time I think. Lifelong Chelsea fan, getting to play for Mourinho and of the teams interested only United could really outbid Chelsea but United probably won't because it would be a crazy fee. The papers will make the most out of it until it happens though.

Shaw and Carvalho would blow a big hole in the budget as well and we'll still need a really top midfielder and a good centre back. We'll probably be in for that lad off Wolfsburg or Porto or even back in for Coentrao

keeponhurling

What about that Uruguayan right back, isn't he back at Old Trafford? I thought I heard he was playing for the reserves.

Could be a chance to give him a debut, and rest Rafael.

I wonder will tomorrow's match give a clue as to who will start left-back in Munich, whoever doesn't play tomorrow will play on Wednesday ?

bucketybuck

NTMK wrote: »

Quite a few wanted shot of him at the start but most people here knew we had an excellent keeper on our hands but needed work

I don't think there were quite a few that wanted rid, just a few people and one very vocal troll. The main sentiment at the time was that there was going to be mistakes but we would accept them because his class was obvious.

Quite similar to Moyes really, we knew times would be hard at first but we accepted that for the long term good. The difference is that even in his difficult times De Gea was pulling out world class saves to show his quality, whereas Moyes hasn't done a single thing right.

bangkok

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't think there were quite a few that wanted rid, just a few people and one very vocal troll. The main sentiment at the time was that there was going to be mistakes but we would accept them because his class was obvious.

Quite similar to Moyes really, we knew times would be hard at first but we accepted that for the long term good. The difference is that even in his difficult times De Gea was pulling out world class saves to show his quality, whereas Moyes hasn't done a single thing right.

Draw against Bayern Munich, tactics spot on and got us to a 1/4 of champions league maybe a semi final yet.....

bucketybuck

bangkok wrote: »

Draw against Bayern Munich, tactics spot on and got us to a 1/4 of champions league maybe a semi final yet.....

Perhaps if he hadn't messed up two transfer windows and had the entire team playing like amateurs we could have expected a little more than delight at a home score draw in the quarter finals.

But hey, you have your expectations and I have mine.

bangkok

bucketybuck wrote: »

Perhaps if he hadn't messed up two transfer windows and had the entire team playing like amateurs we could have expected a little more than delight at a home score draw in the quarter finals.

But hey, you have your expectations and I have mine.

got rooney signed for life, signed mata and a host of big names lined up for this summer.....

bucketybuck

You would expect Hernandez to finally get a start tomorrow, but I almost feel like the lad cannot win in situations like this. He has gotten barely any action for months and will probably be well of the pace, but unless he destroys Newcastle people will be pointing at a few loose balls and saying "thats why he doesn't start more".

Same with Nani if he starts. A cross will be mis-hit and he will be labelled rubbish again, even though Valencia gets 20 games for every one of his.

Theres no answer to it, better this one game than none after all. But its still very difficult for these lads to make an impression getting scraps like these.

bucketybuck

bangkok wrote: »

got rooney signed for life, signed mata and a host of big names lined up for this summer.....

A host of big names lined up eh? Is this the new "he identified the areas that needed improvement"?

As for the rest, well...

bucketybuck wrote: »

But hey, you have your expectations and I have mine.

redbaron_99

bucketybuck wrote: »

A host of big names lined up eh? Is this the new "he identified the areas that needed improvement"?

As for the rest, well...

It's obvious you want Moyes gone. Just wondering who you think could come and be willing to the job?

Remember, Sir Alex was in direct control of all footballing matters at the biggest club in the world. When he retired, all of that responsibility, and all the tasks that go with it, had to be passed to the new man. Is it any wonder Moyes is struggling? The likes of Ancelotti won't be interested in doing that level of work. Most of these "top" managers want to be in charge of the first team affairs, nothing more than that. I think most people are underestimating the enormity of the job vacated by Sir Alex. I heard that Moyes has had one single day off since he took over (Christmas day). What does that tell you?

keeponhurling

Mourinho said that Chelsea need to strengthen their strikers.
I'd bet any money that they will do this in the summer with at .

Moyes has identified areas for improvement (same ones as before).
Any moves, well I'll believe it when I see it.

Ernest Oreo

UNited have a higher wage bill than Chelsea :eek: :eek:
good housekeeping by the russian
or have the glazers gone nuts?
the likes of Rio etc must be still creaming it
granted we're paying top dollar for Rooney, Mata and RVP, but who the hell else has driven our wage bill thru the roof?

Mitch Connor

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

UNited have a higher wage bill than Chelsea :eek: :eek:
good housekeeping by the russian
or have the glazers gone nuts?
the likes of Rio etc must be still creaming it
granted we're paying top dollar for Rooney, Mata and RVP, but who the hell else has driven our wage bill thru the roof?

Cheslea did a good bit of work recently enough in getting rid of some high earners - United are still to do this - though they will likely be replaced with equally (or higher) wages for newcomes.

United's wage bill has jumped 20million since June 2012 - massive increase, and I don't know if Mata wages will be a part of that - RVPs wages would account for half the increase alone I would imagine (guessing at ~200k per week). Rooneys latest deal isn't an increase in wages over his previous deal, so it won't see an increase to the wage bill - his increase is covered in sponsor deals and image rights.

Rio, Vidic, Evra gone in the summer, which will reduce the wages by about 16million) I'm sure there will be other people leaving too - though if we were to sign Kross, he'd probably take Rio+Vidic's wages together, on his own.

Chelsea also, I think, have a far smaller squad than United. We do lack quality, but we have quantity, and there are a load of 'squad' players on big enough money.

keeponhurling

Ernest Oreo wrote: »

UNited have a higher wage bill than Chelsea :eek: :eek:
good housekeeping by the russian
or have the glazers gone nuts?
the likes of Rio etc must be still creaming it
granted we're paying top dollar for Rooney, Mata and RVP, but who the hell else has driven our wage bill thru the roof?

Rio, Vidic, Evra and Giggs departing should seriously reduce the wage bill.

As you say, Rooney, Mata and RVP would be on top dollar.

Other signings bought for big money (i.e. >15m), so therefore likely high wages are Nani, Anderson, Zaha, Carrick, Young, Fellaini, Jones, De Gea

Mr Alan

keeponhurling wrote: »

Rio, Vidic, Evra and Giggs departing should seriously reduce the wage bill.

Do you not expect them to be replaced?

MagicIRL

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Chelsea also, I think, have a far smaller squad than United. We do lack quality, but we have quantity, and there are a load of 'squad' players on big enough money.

Sure isn't Ashley Young on some absurd amount of money as well?

118k a week according to this website, that's 6.13m a year! Rio, Vidic, Giggs and Evra make up 16.12m a year as well! Madness!

Mitch Connor

I also think the wage bill includes anyone employed by the club - and I think the marketing offices in London take a hefty sum in wages - and I have a vague recollection of an asian or american marketing office being set up too.

Will I Amnt

Mr Alan wrote: »

Do you not expect them to be replaced?

Rio and Giggs are nothing more than squad players at this stage. If they're being replaced it won't be with £100-150k a week guys.

bucketybuck

redbaron_99 wrote: »

It's obvious you want Moyes gone. Just wondering who you think could come and be willing to the job?

Actually, the only thing obvious is that I think Moyes has done an extremely poor job. To my recall I have never commented on who should replace him or when.

Remember, Sir Alex was in direct control of all footballing matters at the biggest club in the world. When he retired, all of that responsibility, and all the tasks that go with it, had to be passed to the new man. Is it any wonder Moyes is struggling? The likes of Ancelotti won't be interested in doing that level of work. Most of these "top" managers want to be in charge of the first team affairs, nothing more than that. I think most people are underestimating the enormity of the job vacated by Sir Alex.

And I think you are overestimating it. For starters while they are a big club United are not any order of magnitude bigger than a lot of other clubs, and there are plenty of current managers that have the same control Fergie did. I would even suggest Moyes had that same control at Everton.

If Moyes is struggling thats on him, not on the workload. I would wager that Mourinho or Pellegrini wouldn't have that excuse had they been appointed.

I heard that Moyes has had one single day off since he took over (Christmas day). What does that tell you?

My father probably hasn't had a day off since Christmas, can we give them both medals?

keeponhurling

Mr Alan wrote: »

Do you not expect them to be replaced?

Yes, but particularly in the case of Rio and Giggs, for that money we should be getting first-team players who can play every game, not older gusy who need a rest every couple of games.

Also, I think we should sign one new centre-half, to replace Vidic and Rio, not two.
The new guy, plus Evans, Smalling and Jones should be sufficient. A youth team graudate is enough for 5th choice centre-half.

The_Kew_Tour

So who is going or will be gone by September

Certs; Vidic, Evra, Anderson, Giggs, Macheda.

Likely; Chico.

Maybe; Nani.

Anyone else?

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