Levels of seniority in Medicine

sopretty · 09-03-2014 10:50pm #1

Hi

I've tried to find a Medicine forum with no success.

I'm curious to know what the various stages or job titles of seniority are for doctors?

I know they range from interns to surgeons, with a registrar and an SHO being somewhere in between, but I'm just wondering what the whole hierarchy is.

Also, does anyone know what it means to be getting a 'fellowship'?

Sir Arthur Daley · 09-03-2014 10:54pm

sopretty wrote: »

Also, does anyone know what it means to be getting a 'fellowship'?

a period of medical training after a residency

BNMC · 09-03-2014 10:56pm

Have you tried the mustard forum?

thegreatgonzo · 09-03-2014 10:56pm

sopretty wrote: »

Hi

I've tried to find a Medicine forum with no success.

I'm curious to know what the various stages or job titles of seniority are for doctors?

I know they range from interns to surgeons, with a registrar and an SHO being somewhere in between, but I'm just wondering what the whole hierarchy is.

Also, does anyone know what it means to be getting a 'fellowship'?

Did you try the health sciences forum?

sopretty · 09-03-2014 10:59pm

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

Did you try the health sciences forum?

No, I was looking under M's in the various groups. Found a Biology forum alright, but figured it wasn't really the correct forum either.

I wonder can the mods move the thread?

As for the pair of geniuses before you.........

Fr_Dougal · 09-03-2014 11:01pm

sopretty wrote: »

Also, does anyone know what it means to be getting a 'fellowship'?

Something to do with Mordor....

sopretty · 09-03-2014 11:05pm

Bejaysis boys, yis have me fierce confused hah!

lilblackdress · 09-03-2014 11:05pm

Basically they start as an intern for a year, an senior house officer for 2 years, a reg, a special reg and then consultant. Everyone rotates around different areas on schemes and they are either medical OR surgical. Not every doctor becomes a surgeon.... thats basically it!

Arthur Beesley · 09-03-2014 11:09pm

What about Clinical Director?

sopretty · 09-03-2014 11:11pm

lilblackdress wrote: »

Basically they start as an intern for a year, an senior house officer for 2 years, a reg, a special reg and then consultant. Everyone rotates around different areas on schemes and they are either medical OR surgical. Not every doctor becomes a surgeon.... thats basically it!

Thanks very much for that information.
Lol, I know the difference between medical and surgical teams, in particular after having said two teams argue as to whether I was a medical or surgical case on one occasion haha! (In reality I was probably more of a psychiatric case, truth be told lol).
What about this fellowship thing then? What is that?

sopretty · 09-03-2014 11:13pm

When you speak about rotation, are you talking about while studying medicine? Or are you telling me, that my gynae consultant one day could be by oncology consultant another day? :eek:

sopretty · 09-03-2014 11:48pm

I take it that nobody actually knows then?

Sir Arthur Daley · 09-03-2014 11:50pm

sopretty wrote: »

I take it that nobody actually knows then?

A fellowship is a period of medical training after a residency.

biko · 09-03-2014 11:51pm

Lol, you said "period".. eeeewww

sopretty · 09-03-2014 11:53pm

WikiHow wrote: »

A fellowship is a period of medical training after a residency.

Thanks. Now what is a residency? lol.

Sir Arthur Daley · 09-03-2014 11:59pm

sopretty wrote: »

Thanks. Now what is a residency? lol.

Lol too, are you pursuing a career in medicine or you just curious, we need clear consise information to help you.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:05am

Pure and utter nosiness. Someone I know is 'doing his fellowship', so I want to know how good or bad that is!

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:08am

sopretty wrote: »

Pure and utter nosiness. Someone I know is 'doing his fellowship', so I want to know how good or bad that is!

It is good, that person has been working hard to educate themself and is being rewarded, are you jealous?

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:09am

It's hardly classified information!

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:10am

WikiHow wrote: »

It is good, that person has been working hard to educate themself and is being rewarded, are you jealous?

No, I'm just wondering how senior they are!! Which nobody seems capable of answering!

JonEBGud · 10-03-2014 12:13am

James Reilly is the man to ask.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:13am

sopretty wrote: »

No, I'm just wondering how senior they are!! Which nobody seems capable of answering!

What stage is this person at the moment? where has this person studied?
What degrees have they?

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:20am

WikiHow wrote: »

What stage is this person at the moment? where has this person studied?
What degrees have they?

If I was to post this information, it might narrow down things a wee bit too much on the interwebz, as far as to make him easily identifiable possibly.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:22am

sopretty wrote: »

If I was to post this information, it might narrow down things a wee bit too much on the interwebz, as far as to make him easily identifiable possibly.

I am not asking you to name this person, give his address, pps number, facebook account.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:22am

Look, it's no skin off my nose if this is some sort of closely guarded secret within medical circles. I honestly am just curious as this person would be very modest about their achievements etc. and I'm just curious.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:23am

WikiHow wrote: »

I am not asking you to name this person, give his address, pps number, facebook account.

If I gave you his uni, where he worked, his speciality, and where he currently works, it would fairly narrow it down!

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:25am

sopretty wrote: »

If I gave you his uni, where he worked, his speciality, and where he currently works, it would fairly narrow it down!

We dont need to know him to know his status.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:29am

WikiHow wrote: »

We dont need to know him to know his status.

Well I know him and yis still can't seem to figure out his status.

Look, I give up.

It's a meestery.......

biko · 10-03-2014 12:29am

Did you meet on a dating site?

A fellowship is that last of the training for a sub-specialty.
This is when they can swap their 1996 Astra for a 2006 Volvo.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:31am

biko wrote: »

Did you meet on a dating site?

A fellowship is that last of the training for a sub-specialty.
This is when they can swap their 1996 Astra for a 2006 Volvo.

Aye - he's going to pay for my flight to Florida once he gets his fellowship

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:31am

sopretty wrote: »

Well I know him and yis still can't seem to figure out his status.

Look, I give up.

It's a meestery.......

You know him and dont know yet you wont give us vital information and expect us to know?

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:34am

WikiHow wrote: »

You know him and dont know yet you wont give us vital information and expect us to know?

I thought it was a simple question! Like, you have gobsheen, supervisory gobsheen, managerial gobsheen, Head Gobsheen of the gobsheen department, then the King of the Gobsheens.

It appears it's not so simple. Or perhaps, nobody has a clue.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:36am

sopretty wrote: »

It appears it's not so simple. Or perhaps, nobody has a clue.

I have answered your question 2 times already.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:38am

WikiHow wrote: »

I have answered your question 2 times already.

Indeed and you haven't! In fact, in your post prior to this you declared that I was expecting you to know something without giving you sufficient information!

ballsymchugh · 10-03-2014 12:39am

the fellowship is an exam.

you do your intern year, SHO years, registrar years and senior registrar years in whatever field you want to pursue. if you want to become a consultant you will need to become a member of the royal college of surgeons or the royal college of physicians.
the fellowship exam is another rung on that ladder.

mrcs - member of the royal college of surgeons
frcs - fellow of the rcs

you can become a consultant without the fellowship but you've a better chance if you have it, especially if it's a position that a lot of people are going for.

if you don't know if you were a surgery case or a medicine case, then go by the consultants title. all physicians are called Dr., and all surgeons are called Mr.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:40am

sopretty wrote: »

Indeed and you haven't! In fact, in your post prior to this you declared that I was expecting you to know something without giving you sufficient information!

We dont know this person you are on about, this is getting confusing.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:41am

ballsymchugh wrote: »

the fellowship is an exam.

you do your intern year, SHO years, registrar years and senior registrar years in whatever field you want to pursue. if you want to become a consultant you will need to become a member of the royal college of surgeons or the royal college of physicians.
the fellowship exam is another rung on that ladder.

mrcs - member of the royal college of surgeons
frcs - fellow of the rcs

you can become a consultant without the fellowship but you've a better chance if you have it, especially if it's a position that a lot of people are going for.

if you don't know if you were a surgery case or a medicine case, then go by the consultants title. all physicians are called Dr., and all surgeons are called Mr.

Finally!
A concise answer. Thank you!!!!

I wasn't the one who was concerned as to whether I was medical or surgical - it was the doctors who were arguing - the surgical team won and got me as the prize lol...

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:45am

Btw - in case I have confused some of you, my query in relation to fellowship has nothing to do with the surgical and medical team arguing. I just used that to display that I was quite aware of the difference between the two faculties of medicine.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:45am

sopretty wrote: »

- it was the doctors who were arguing - the surgical team won and got me as the prize lol...

Are you sure they are qualified doctors that they dont know this information?
lol

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:49am

WikiHow wrote: »

Are you sure they are qualified doctors that they dont know this information?
lol

Lol, All I know is that the surgical guy came in to ask me the same questions for the 10th time over, having being previously been under the medical team, and I asked him what about the medical teams' suggestions and he started ranting that you cannot diagnose a patient on blood tests alone blah blah.... Then I was transferred from medical to surgical care. I preferred the medical guys!

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:51am

sopretty wrote: »

Lol, All I know is that the surgical guy came in to ask me the same questions for the 10th time over

Did he have to ask it 10 times as you were waiting for a professional reply on boards? lol

sopretty · 10-03-2014 12:53am

Eh no. I was in A&E for 4 long fooopin days, before any treatment. I was asked the same questions by every doctor who came to see me during my time! Apparently, they can't read a foopin file!!!!!

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 12:55am

sopretty wrote: »

Eh no. I was in A&E for 4 long fooopin days, before any treatment. I

What was your injury? 4 days is unacceptable without any treatment.

JonEBGud · 10-03-2014 1:01am

It took 2 pages to get to this.
Poor James Reilly.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 1:04am

WikiHow wrote: »

What was your injury? 4 days is unacceptable without any treatment.

It wasn't an injury. I was on a trolley in a corridor for about 48 hours but being treated medically - I would be periodically wheeled into cubicles to be examined by doctors. I was then on a trolley in an overflow area of the A&E (the old day-ward) for another 12 hours I think. They had to admit me then before they could perform the surgical procedure, so I was admitted to a ward the night before the procedure.

sopretty · 10-03-2014 1:07am

Apologies, I see where your question is coming from. I suppose by treatment, I suppose I meant 'resolution'! I was being treated and examined all the time I was on the trolley with various medications intravenously, and various examinations and scans.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 1:10am

Did you feel you were being treated by amateurs?

sopretty · 10-03-2014 1:14am

Not at all. There was a lot of duplication of information finding though! The actual dude performing the surgery came down to me beforehand and ate the head off me as I didn't tell them I had had a PE though. I had told 10 dudes before hand!!! God lord, could he not just read the f'n file? Ah no, the doctors are sound really, though the surgical team could do with acquiring some people skills! The whole system is nothing to do with doctors though!

JonEBGud · 10-03-2014 1:15am

Was this treatment in a Midland Hospital?

sopretty · 10-03-2014 1:18am

JonEBGud wrote: »

Was this treatment in a Midland Hospital?

It was indeed.

Sir Arthur Daley · 10-03-2014 1:19am

sopretty wrote: »

Not at all. There was a lot of duplication of information finding though! The actual dude performing the surgery came down to me beforehand and ate the head off me as I didn't tell them I had had a PE though. I had told 10 dudes before hand!!! God lord, could he not just read the f'n file? Ah no, the doctors are sound really, though the surgical team could do with acquiring some people skills! The whole system is nothing to do with doctors though!

You are talking about professional people here, if you feel they are sub standard you should have gone to the vet.

Levels of seniority in Medicine

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