Urea or can

briangriffin

Just wondering what lads are spreading at this stage and what's recommended?

C4d78

briangriffin wrote: »

Just wondering what lads are spreading at this stage and what's recommended?

Been spreading UREA all along but with predicted dry spell coming might consider changing to CAN this coming week

Reggie.

I spread can

Brown Podzol

This is perfect weather for urea, mild and damp. The old test was that if you scratch the surface of the earth and it is damp just under the surface then urea is fine.

Greengrass1

What type of soil,grass does urea work best on?

whitebriar

Brown Podzol wrote: »

This is perfect weather for urea, mild and damp. The old test was that if you scratch the surface of the earth and it is damp just under the surface then urea is fine.

It will be mild and frosty (at night) next week which I'd say is definitely urea territory.
It's never easy to know what to do on the edges of the growing season, there's always going to be an element of gamble.
For example, how do you allow for a cold snap in say a fortnight? It wouldn't be unusual.

Reggie.

When would you expect a reaction from CAN. Would it take about a week to take effect with the week that is expected

whitebriar

Reggie. wrote: »

When would you expect a reaction from CAN. Would it take about a week to take effect with the week that is expected

It's risky in my opinion with frosts likely and no rain.You might see no reaction in a week.

Reggie.

whitebriar wrote: »

It's risky in my opinion with frosts likely and no rain.You might see no reaction in a week.

I'm in no panic just wondering

Gillespy

Big fan of urea, both as a feed and a fertilizer.

f140

I have 10 tonne of urea here and 2 tonne of can. the can is just in case we get a dry patch in the next fewmonths where the urea cant be spread.

jfh

my father bought a few tonne of compound fertilizer, was questioning him why he didn't go with Urea. didn't really get an answer that i could print:rolleyes:
so out with 18:06:12 tmmrw

farmernewbie

I hope to cut 30 acres of silage for selling round bales. Going to put out 18.6.12. Got 4 tonne of it. Is that enough? When should I put it on? The fields are closed of now and ready to go. Ground is wet though so was thinking first week in April and to cut the last week in May.

Miname

farmernewbie wrote: »

I hope to cut 30 acres of silage for selling round bales. Going to put out 18.6.12. Got 4 tonne of it. Is that enough? When should I put it on? The fields are closed of now and ready to go. Ground is wet though so was thinking first week in April and to cut the last week in May.

you'll need a good bit more n to have a good crop, even a bag of urea on top of the 18.6.12 should nearly get you there.

farmernewbie

Really? should I be spreading something different than 18.6.12 or just more of it?

f140

farmernewbie wrote: »

Really? should I be spreading something different than 18.6.12 or just more of it?

if spreading 18.6.12 then you would want 5 bags to the acre for first cut silage. it depends on what level p+k you have.
if its ok then two bags of urea.
if its low 5 bags of 18.6.12
if its middle ish 4 bags of 24/2.5/10 (cut sward)

farmernewbie

Thanks f140,

Silage would have been cut of this ground for years. So I reckon it is very low in p and k only ever got a few tonne of 18.6.12 or 10.10.20 over the years. Jesus 5 bags to the acre would set me back a bit. Never make it back selling the silage of it.

munkus

farmernewbie wrote: »

Thanks f140,

Silage would have been cut of this ground for years. So I reckon it is very low in p and k only ever got a few tonne of 18.6.12 or 10.10.20 over the years. Jesus 5 bags to the acre would set me back a bit. Never make it back selling the silage of it.

A good first cut of silage need from 90 to 120 units of N. 18:6:12 is more suitable for grazing ground. This year I'll be going with 1.5 bag of 0:7:30 and Urea for the silage ground.

farmernewbie

Got a quote of 400 for 18.6.12. How much is a tonne of 0.7.30? urea? do you put them on at the same time?

farmernewbie

Miname wrote: »

you'll need a good bit more n to have a good crop, even a bag of urea on top of the 18.6.12 should nearly get you there.

I get contractor to spread fert for me. Could I get him to put out the urea the same day as the 18.6.12?

freedominacup

Got urea out on almost half the ground this evening. Get the rest out with the dew in the morning. Some stretch in the evening. Spreading away no bother until half six. No bother spreading at the moment, plenty of moisture still. Maybe not a plan to spread in the middle of the day as the week goes on but other than that work away.

frazzledhome

If your knees get wet kneeling spread urea. At the moment middle if the day or night makes no odds

farmernewbie

frazzledhome wrote: »

If your knees get wet kneeling spread urea. At the moment middle if the day or night makes no odds

Thanks my question is though can I put out the 18.6.12 at the same time? I hire a contractor to do it so if I only have 3 tonne of CAN and 4 of 18.6.12 he might want to do it all the same day? Is this advisable?

freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

If your knees get wet kneeling spread urea. At the moment middle if the day or night makes no odds

You'd have no concerns if it blows as dry as forecast this week?

Greengrass1

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frazzledhome

freedominacup wrote: »

You'd have no concerns if it blows as dry as forecast this week?

Didn't see forecast but if ground damp I'd spread away. If it was like last I'd share your concern. Ground I couldn't trace last Fri dry enough to spread tomorrow. Are they giving East or North wind?

Reggie.

So you all reckon it is wrong to be spreading CAN this week?

frazzledhome

Reggie. wrote: »

So you all reckon it is wrong to be spreading CAN this week?

Nothing wrong with Can, just a more expensive form of N. Some swear urea doesn't work on their land, I'd say it's more of a timing issue

Reggie.

frazzledhome wrote: »

Nothing wrong with Can, just a more expensive form of N. Some swear urea doesn't work on their land, I'd say it's more of a timing issue

Spread it sat, was just thinking I made a mistake or something

frazzledhome

farmernewbie wrote: »

Thanks my question is though can I put out the 18.6.12 at the same time? I hire a contractor to do it so if I only have 3 tonne of CAN and 4 of 18.6.12 he might want to do it all the same day? Is this advisable?

No prob. I'm spreading 1 bag of urea followed by 3x 18/6/12 on silage ground tomorrow. It will be grazed then 2500 gls slurry per acre.

Greengrass1

Silage ground will be alll grazed here tomorrow.
12ac going in Italian end of month.
Be handy if I don't have to graze it again

farmernewbie

frazzledhome wrote: »

No prob. I'm spreading 1 bag of urea followed by 3x 18/6/12 on silage ground tomorrow. It will be grazed then 2500 gls slurry per acre.

Thanks I was going to go with just 18.6.12 but I take it from posts here that is no good on its own for silage ground. First time at this so haven't a clue. Just got soil tested so waiting on results.

I think in the past my father would have put on 10.10.20 and Nitrogen. Can you buy a tonne of Nitrogen or is CAN the same thing? Sorry for stupid questions new to this. I reckon ground badly needs lime but it will be next autumn again it gets that.

Bactidiaryl

frazzledhome wrote: »

No prob. I'm spreading 1 bag of urea followed by 3x 18/6/12 on silage ground tomorrow. It will be grazed then 2500 gls slurry per acre.

Are you putting out 100 units of nitrogen and then grazing it before closing for silage.

jack o shea

is it any harm to spread fertilizer on ground and then put slurry out the nxt day on it?

Zr105

jack o shea wrote: »

is it any harm to spread fertilizer on ground and then put slurry out the nxt day on it?

Better to leave a bit of time, they reckon a week between can and slurry in which ever order, and a bit longer for urea i think?

Damo810

Zr105 wrote: »

Better to leave a bit of time, they reckon a week between can and slurry in which ever order, and a bit longer for urea i think?

A week or two. Can/urea makes no difference. Iirc.

jack o shea

thanks, is it cos it would wash the fert off?

frazzledhome

farmernewbie wrote: »

Thanks I was going to go with just 18.6.12 but I take it from posts here that is no good on its own for silage ground. First time at this so haven't a clue. Just got soil tested so waiting on results.

I think in the past my father would have put on 10.10.20 and Nitrogen. Can you buy a tonne of Nitrogen or is CAN the same thing? Sorry for stupid questions new to this. I reckon ground badly needs lime but it will be next autumn again it gets that.

Can is 27% N Urea is 46%
1 bag Can = 27 units
1 bag Urea = 46 units

So your 2.5 of 18/6/12 = 45 units N, 15 units P and 30 units K
If you spread 2 Can you add 54 units N
If you spread 1 Urea you add 46 units N

frazzledhome

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Are you putting out 100 units of nitrogen and then grazing it before closing for silage.

Yes will have 100 units on all ground before April 1

frazzledhome

jack o shea wrote: »

is it any harm to spread fertilizer on ground and then put slurry out the nxt day on it?

None at all. The only problem is slurry first that coats ground and blocks fert entering soil

farmernewbie

frazzledhome wrote: »

Can is 27% N Urea is 46%
1 bag Can = 27 units
1 bag Urea = 46 units

So your 2.5 of 18/6/12 = 45 units N, 15 units P and 30 units K
If you spread 2 Can you add 54 units N
If you spread 1 Urea you add 46 units N

Thanks frazzledhome this makes sense. I don't have slurry as I don't winter any stock. Surely it makes sense to buy urea so instead of CAN or is it away more expensive? getting the 18.6.12 for 400 a tonne.

freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yes will have 100 units on all ground before April 1

Why push so hard? There's very little gone out yet. Are you planning on a round at 60 units plus? Will have 80-90 out here by first week in April but wouldn't have considered more than a bag on next round.

frazzledhome

freedominacup wrote: »

Why push so hard? There's very little gone out yet. Are you planning on a round at 60 units plus? Will have 80-90 out here by first week in April but wouldn't have considered more than a bag on next round.

70% of you grass grows before mid June, in a normal year that is!!!!!????
Big believer in front loading in Mar/April and mid/late Aug
Small dose once a month from April on. Am I overdoing it?

frazzledhome

freedominacup wrote: »

Why push so hard? There's very little gone out yet. Are you planning on a round at 60 units plus? Will have 80-90 out here by first week in April but wouldn't have considered more than a bag on next round.

You'll be at 90, not much different to what I'm at

frazzledhome

farmernewbie wrote: »

Thanks frazzledhome this makes sense. I don't have slurry as I don't winter any stock. Surely it makes sense to buy urea so instead of CAN or is it away more expensive? getting the 18.6.12 for 400 a tonne.

Urea by far the best value N around this year. 18/6/12 looks like the best value compound around as the P&K elements haven't risen to the same degree as N

farmernewbie

frazzledhome wrote: »

Urea by far the best value N around this year. 18/6/12 looks like the best value compound around as the P&K elements haven't risen to the same degree as N

Can I spread the urea the same day as 18.6.12? presume urea comes in 20 50kg bags per tonne? granular?

freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

70% of you grass grows before mid June, in a normal year that is!!!!!????
Big believer in front loading in Mar/April and mid/late Aug
Small dose once a month from April on. Am I overdoing it?

Next question so. Should we be putting on Sulphur next round or wait into April?

frazzledhome

freedominacup wrote: »

Next question so. Should we be putting on Sulphur next round or wait into April?

I'd wait till April here, if you're on light land get it out early. 20 units before June in one go is best.

Here's one back at ya, is 18/6/12 available with Sulphur?

frazzledhome

farmernewbie wrote: »

Can I spread the urea the same day as 18.6.12? presume urea comes in 20 50kg bags per tonne? granular?

Yes and yes
Remember if buying in big bags 375kgs in bag not 500 as this tit has found out to his cost!!!

freedominacup

frazzledhome wrote: »

I'd wait till April here, if you're on light land get it out early. 20 units before June in one go is best.

Here's one back at ya, is 18/6/12 available with Sulphur?

I think so, I was wondering that myself as there's a few paddocks that are difficult to get into with slurry unless conditions are excellent and even then they have to be at the right stage in rotation. Much more certain to get a bit of compound on.

TUBBY

freedominacup wrote: »

I think so, I was wondering that myself as there's a few paddocks that are difficult to get into with slurry unless conditions are excellent and even then they have to be at the right stage in rotation. Much more certain to get a bit of compound on.

replenish from gouldings is based on 18-6-12. It is 18-2.5-14+ 3% S and some Mg, Na and Mn. Don't think coonventional 18-6-12 can be bought with S.