EDITED: CHILD TICKETS ONLY: RIP Travel90 tickets

coylemj

MOD EDIT: ONLY THE CHILD TRAVEL 90 ARE BEING WITHDRAWN!

As usual, Dublin Bus communications is top notch confusing matter by inserting an unneeded comma in bold here: "From Friday 7th March, 1 Day Rambler Adult and Travel 90, 10 Journey Schoolchild tickets will no longer be available to purchase." -- the 10 Journey Schoolchild tickets are child Travel 90s.

END OF MOD EDIT

Original opening post:

- See more at: http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Revisions-to-Prepaid-Tickets-now-moving-to-Leap-Card/#sthash.96vHc1NV.dpuf


Under the guise of simplifying the ticketing system, DB are withdrawing the Travel90 (T90) ticket effective today. Their excuse is that fare capping will fill the gap but daily fare capping at €6.90 is more than the cost of two journeys on a T90 so unless you're currently using a T90 ticket and doing at least three separate journeys a day, you will lose out.

I use the T90 ticket for occasional journeys of two back to back buses but only one such journey in a day when I do use it, the total journey involves docking one of the ten trips on the ticket so it costs me €2.75. I will now have to pay €5 for the same journey by validating the Leap card on each bus and being charged €2.50 each time.

Gutted!

http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/Revisions-to-Prepaid-Tickets-now-moving-to-Leap-Card/

rx8

The T90 ticket is still available for the Leap Card and providing you have enough credit on your card you can even purchase it on the bus from the driver.
Also available from the driver afaiaa is the family daily ticket which can also be put on to the leap card.

Joshycat

If you have lets say '5' days left on a 30 day rambler are you able to load another 30 day rambler on or must you wait till the first rambler ticket has run out?

Stevek101

Adult T90 tickets are still available only the Child one was withdrawn.

rx8 wrote: »

The T90 ticket is still available for the Leap Card and providing you have enough credit on your card you can even purchase it on the bus from the driver.
Also available from the driver afaiaa is the family daily ticket which can also be put on to the leap card.

When did this happen?

coylemj

Did I misinterpret this statement, does the '10 journey schooldchild ticket' refer to the Travel90? I though they were separate items.

From Friday 7th March, 1 Day Rambler Adult and Travel 90, 10 Journey Schoolchild tickets will no longer be available to purchase.

Stevek101

coylemj wrote: »

Did I misinterpret this statement, does the '10 journey schooldchild ticket' refer to the Travel90? I though they were separate items.

From Friday 7th March, 1 Day Rambler Adult and Travel 90, 10 Journey Schoolchild tickets will no longer be available to purchase.

Yeah, mind you they didn't make it obvious. Been answering the same question all day on their Twitter account.

Agent J

rx8 wrote: »

The T90 ticket is still available for the Leap Card and providing you have enough credit on your card you can even purchase it on the bus from the driver.
Also available from the driver afaiaa is the family daily ticket which can also be put on to the leap card.

Source? I don't see anything on the leap card site or Dublin bus about it.

They probably have gotten rid of it. Bastards!

spurious

The T90 was the best ticket they ever did. Also the one many people seemed to know least about.

Agent J

Wait! The twitter feed says otherwise.

https://twitter.com/dublinbusnews

apologies- just 10 journey travel 90 school child tickets being withdrawn. Sorry for the confusion! Have a good day

They have been clearer about this..

Dravokivich

rx8 wrote: »

No, there's nothing about it on the website but I assure you, I have been shown how to do it in the garage and I am surprised that they don't advertise it.

You must be confusing things, on dublin bus, you can only pay for a fare with the driver. The only tickets transferred to leap are rambler and taxsaver.

bikeman1

Sorry if this has been pointed out already, is the adult travel 90 still available on the leap? And to use it you ask the driver to deduct that off your leap?

Do you have to go the driver for any subsequent journies in the next 90 mins?

Dravokivich

bikeman1 wrote: »

Sorry if this has been pointed out already, is the adult travel 90 still available on the leap? And to use it you ask the driver to deduct that off your leap?

Do you have to go the driver for any subsequent journies in the next 90 mins?

Its not on leap.

Only a fare for the journey, or ramblers and taxsavers.

cdebru

rx8 wrote: »

The T90 ticket is still available for the Leap Card and providing you have enough credit on your card you can even purchase it on the bus from the driver.
Also available from the driver afaiaa is the family daily ticket which can also be put on to the leap card.

I don't think that's right.

rx8

It seems that I was partly mistaken about the T 90 ticket. The ticket is loaded by the ticket agent, but it is activated by the driver on the bus.
The guy who showed us about it in the garage lead me to believe that travel credit on the card, could be used to purchase a T90 ticket on the bus.
Didn't mean to mislead anybody, apologies if I have.
Deleted the post above.

Dravokivich

rx8 wrote: »

It seems that I was partly mistaken about the T 90 ticket. The ticket is loaded by the ticket agent, but it is activated by the driver on the bus.
The guy who showed us about it in the garage lead me to believe that travel credit on the card, could be used to purchase a T90 ticket on the bus.
Didn't mean to mislead anybody, apologies if I have.
Deleted the post above.

But its not on leap either. You cant get it at a payzone shop for it to be loaded onto the leap card.

If you have any tickets on the leap card, dont go to the driver either becuase drivers can only charge fares. Rambler/taxsaver tickets with on leap cards need to be used on the validator to the right.

The reason I suggested you might be confused, is bus ereainn and swords express and wexford bus can sell tickets for leap card.

AlekSmart

Dravokivich wrote: »

But its not on leap either. You cant get it at a payzone shop for it to be loaded onto the leap card.

If you have any tickets on the leap card, dont go to the driver either because drivers can only charge fares. Rambler/Taxsaver tickets with on leap cards need to be used on the validator to the right.

The reason I suggested you might be confused, is Bus Eireann and Swords Express and Wexford bus can sell tickets for leap card.

Deep Breath and......:eek:

You CAN purchase an Adult Travel90 at a Payzone agent.

You may have this,and up to 4 other "Products" on any single Leapcard in addition to Travel Credit.

If,for example,you have a Travel90 and Travel Credit loaded onto a Leapcard then the system will AUTOMATICALLY choose the Travel90 if it is used on the remote Validator.

However,should you NOT wish to use a T90 Journey you can request the Driver to deduct your fare from the Travel Credit (Purse) at the DRIVERS Ticket Machine.

It is important to note that the Card will continue to operate in whichever mode is first selected on that day ie: If you choose the Purse for your first journey then the Card remains in Purse mode unless selected otherwise at the Drivers Machine.

Rambler/T90 products CAN be activated at the Drivers Machine.

However,Rambler/T90 products CANNOT be purchased/loaded onto a Leapcard by a Driver...ALL such purchases must be carried out at a Leapcard Agent.

rx8

The information that is available about the Leap Card is really terrible btw.

Passengers should be made aware that they can switch between Rambler/ T90/ Cash modes on the drivers machine to enable them get the best value from the card.

AlekSmart

rx8 wrote: »

The information that is available about the Leap Card is really terrible btw.

Passengers should be made aware that they can switch between Rambler/ T90/ Cash modes on the drivers machine to enable them get the best value from the card.

I would generally agree with you Rx8,however as is evident to me on a daily basis,quite a substantial number of people simply refuse point-blank to make ANY change from their daily routine,even if that change will save them significant amounts of money.

SO,what then do you do with such people ?

Do you continue to "make allowances" for them,which then results in the compromising of the greater focus of the new system ? (in this case the ITS programme).

Or,as with the London model,do you finally draw a line under it and move your system forward under your own terms?,in the knowledge that it significantly benefits the MAJORITY of customers.

There is only so much hand-holding and soft-introductions any commercial entity can indulge in before it has to begin making the choices FOR it's customers.

Although,all of that being said....The Leapcard information experience is FAR from being a satisfactory one

LXFlyer

AlekSmart wrote: »

Deep Breath and......:eek:

You CAN purchase an Adult Travel90 at a Payzone agent.

You may have this,and up to 4 other "Products" on any single Leapcard in addition to Travel Credit.

If,for example,you have a Travel90 and Travel Credit loaded onto a Leapcard then the system will AUTOMATICALLY choose the Travel90 if it is used on the remote Validator.

However,should you NOT wish to use a T90 Journey you can request the Driver to deduct your fare from the Travel Credit (Purse) at the DRIVERS Ticket Machine.

It is important to note that the Card will continue to operate in whichever mode is first selected on that day ie: If you choose the Purse for your first journey then the Card remains in Purse mode unless selected otherwise at the Drivers Machine.

Rambler/T90 products CAN be activated at the Drivers Machine.

However,Rambler/T90 products CANNOT be purchased/loaded onto a Leapcard by a Driver...ALL such purchases must be carried out at a Leapcard Agent.

To be fair Alek, there has been no public announcement about the availability of the Adult T90 on LEAP as yet.


The only tickets that have been announced are:
5 day/30 day Adult/Student Ramblers
1 day family Rambler
Annual tickets


I've double checked all the sites and there has been no reference to T90 migrating to LEAP.

Even the Dublin Bus ticket page does not show it as being available on LEAP, while the ramblers are:

http://dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Tickets/2-Journey-Daily-Weekly/

Bus Tickets

Rambler 5 Day Adult €27.50
Valid for unlimited travel for 5 non-consecutive days
Valid on Dublin Bus scheduled services including Airlink and Xpresso (excluding Nitelink, Tours, Special Events and Private Contract services)
No CIE photo ID required
Now available on Leap Card


10 Journey Travel 90 Adult €27.50
Valid for 10 journeys of 90 minutes unlimited travel
Valid on Dublin Bus scheduled services including Xpresso (excluding Airlink, Nitelink, Tours, Special Events and Private Contract services)
Tickets are for individual use only and may not be used by a group
No CIE photo ID required


Rambler 30 Day Adult €137.50
Valid for unlimited travel for 30 non-consecutive days
Valid on Dublin Bus scheduled services including Airlink and Xpresso (excluding Nitelink, Tours, Special Events and Private Contract services)
No CIE photo ID required
Now available on Leap Card

Dravokivich

When was the T90 made avail for leap card from?

Joshycat

AlekSmart wrote: »

Deep Breath and......:eek:

You CAN purchase an Adult Travel90 at a Payzone agent.

You may have this,and up to 4 other "Products" on any single Leapcard in addition to Travel Credit.

If,for example,you have a Travel90 and Travel Credit loaded onto a Leapcard then the system will AUTOMATICALLY choose the Travel90 if it is used on the remote Validator.

However,should you NOT wish to use a T90 Journey you can request the Driver to deduct your fare from the Travel Credit (Purse) at the DRIVERS Ticket Machine.

It is important to note that the Card will continue to operate in whichever mode is first selected on that day ie: If you choose the Purse for your first journey then the Card remains in Purse mode unless selected otherwise at the Drivers Machine.

Rambler/T90 products CAN be activated at the Drivers Machine.

However,Rambler/T90 products CANNOT be purchased/loaded onto a Leapcard by a Driver...ALL such purchases must be carried out at a Leapcard Agent.

So you can have up to 4 'products' loaded onto a leap card but do they have to be 4 different products or can you if you have only a few days left on a 30 day rambler load another 30 day rambler onto the leap card?

AlekSmart

Joshycat wrote: »

So you can have up to 4 'products' loaded onto a leap card but do they have to be 4 different products or can you if you have only a few days left on a 30 day rambler load another 30 day rambler onto the leap card?

Better still,a Leapcard can presently store up to 6products,one of which must be Travel Credit.

So up to 5 ticket products,Ramblers,T90 (when announced) and for example a Matthews Coaches or Wexford Bus product.

In the situation posited by Joshycat,a new Rambler product can be loaded during the life of an existing one,but the oldest product will continue to be used until it expires,then it will move to the newer product...hence the term "Smart Card" :P

Eventually my understanding is that other Transport Modes such as Dublin Bikes are to be included on the Leap System,indeed there is no actual technical barrier to this,except for commercial agreements etc.

I remain of the belief that the NTA and in particular the ITS "Team" have significantly underestimated the required level of "Selling" in order to get Leapinto the prime position it SO richly deserves.

The Swiftway proposal now represents a second-chance to get their finger out with this,but I'm concerned that the "Shiny-New Articulated Bus" may occupy the prime slot to the detriment of actual wide -scale game changing stuff ?

Joshycat

AlekSmart wrote: »

Better still,a Leapcard can presently store up to 6products,one of which must be Travel Credit.

So up to 5 ticket products,Ramblers,T90 (when announced) and for example a Matthews Coaches or Wexford Bus product.

In the situation posited by Joshycat,a new Rambler product can be loaded during the life of an existing one,but the oldest product will continue to be used until it expires,then it will move to the newer product...hence the term "Smart Card" :P

Eventually my understanding is that other Transport Modes such as Dublin Bikes are to be included on the Leap System,indeed there is no actual technical barrier to this,except for commercial agreements etc.

I remain of the belief that the NTA and in particular the ITS "Team" have significantly underestimated the required level of "Selling" in order to get Leapinto the prime position it SO richly deserves.

The Swiftway proposal now represents a second-chance to get their finger out with this,but I'm concerned that the "Shiny-New Articulated Bus" may occupy the prime slot to the detriment of actual wide -scale game changing stuff ?

Ahh I see so if you have '3' days left on one rambler and add another one on to the leap card it will display as 'Days remaining 3' on the ticket validator and then switch to the new one rather than displaying 'Days remaining 33'

coylemj

You can buy T90 tickets from Ticketmaster using a credit card, delivery is free and if you time it properly, you can get up to 6 weeks free credit.

That process involving the Leap card would put me off buying an electronic T90 ticket so I'll stick to the paper version for now when doing multi-bus trips and use my Leap card for single journeys.

Apologies for the original misleading thread title (I'm the OP) but at least I wasn't the only one confused!

ArmaniJeanss

My nephew stays with me a few days a year and I've usually got him a 5day nonconsecutive rambler, think it was €7.50 the last time I got him one last autumn.

Seems to be no equivalant any more -
choice is either leap capping at €2.50 a day which would be €12.50 a day for the same 5 days...
or a 7 day bus and luas ticket for €9.80 but this ticket is consecutive days only and he doesn't stay for more than a couple of days so the 5 day non consecutive ticket was perfect.


Is this an oversight do you reckon? Seems a fairly savage 50% increase.

LXFlyer

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

My nephew stays with me a few days a year and I've usually got him a 5day nonconsecutive rambler, think it was €7.50 the last time I got him one last autumn.

Seems to be no equivalant any more -
choice is either leap capping at €2.50 a day which would be €12.50 a day for the same 5 days...
or a 7 day bus and luas ticket for €9.80 but this ticket is consecutive days only and he doesn't stay for more than a couple of days so the 5 day non consecutive ticket was perfect.


Is this an oversight do you reckon? Seems a fairly savage 50% increase.

They seem to think that everyone using it was travelling every day, rather than making occasional journeys.


I would suggest you get in touch with the NTA - they are making these decisions - info@nationaltransport.ie

stop

More confusion...
http://dublinbus.ie/en/Fares--Tickets/Leapcard/
under 'Adult Leap Card' we are told:

To ensure customers retain the value for money of tickets which have been withdrawn including 5 day Rambler and Travel 90, 10 journey, the introduction of capping means no matter how many journeys are made, the amount charged will never exceed daily and weekly limits.

LXFlyer

The Adult Travel 90 is NOT affected. Full stop.

Red Silurian

Leap card capping dies not apply fully to xpresso or at all to airlink whereas a one day adult rambler and a travel 90 did

Potentially then you could end up paying more than the €6.90 of a cap during one day

Anybody else notice this technical oversight?

bikeman1

colmtheperson wrote: »

Leap card capping dies not apply fully to xpresso or at all to airlink whereas a one day adult rambler and a travel 90 did

Potentially then you could end up paying more than the €6.90 of a cap during one day

Anybody else notice this technical oversight?

Yes I noticed this. What I do is, if travelling to the airport by Airlink is have 5 x 1 day ramblers loaded onto my card at a cost of €25 or €5 per day. These are valid on airlink and expressos.

They are also good value anyway if using a bus regularly enough and a lot in one day.

They seem to be still selling day rambler paper tickets and 3 day tickets. The bus stop machine at the airport issues them.

The capping should really include the airlink and expresso. I mean, they are getting nearly €7 off you for one days travel on an average service.

stargazer 68

So let me get this clear in my head! My son (15) uses a 10 journey ticket for school which is only valid until 5pm. This is now no longer available (or won't be when the shops run out of their supplies). I have to apply for a personalised leap card for him with his photo etc which when he swipes it on the machine will take the school fare off it. What happens when he travels after 5 or after 1 on a Saturday? Does he go to the driver to swipe it?

LXFlyer

bikeman1 wrote: »

Yes I noticed this. What I do is, if travelling to the airport by Airlink is have 5 x 1 day ramblers loaded onto my card at a cost of €25 or €5 per day. These are valid on airlink and expressos.

They are also good value anyway if using a bus regularly enough and a lot in one day.

They seem to be still selling day rambler paper tickets and 3 day tickets. The bus stop machine at the airport issues them.

The capping should really include the airlink and expresso. I mean, they are getting nearly €7 off you for one days travel on an average service.

The only option going forward will be to have a 5 day or 30 day rambler ticket loaded onto the leap card. The 1 day and 3 day tickets are being withdrawn.


DB give the Airlink as a concession on their rambler tickets - remember it isn't subsidised by the NTA, hence they aren't including it in their subsidised capping.

LXFlyer

Dovies wrote: »

So let me get this clear in my head! My son (15) uses a 10 journey ticket for school which is only valid until 5pm. This is now no longer available (or won't be when the shops run out of their supplies). I have to apply for a personalised leap card for him with his photo etc which when he swipes it on the machine will take the school fare off it. What happens when he travels after 5 or after 1 on a Saturday? Does he go to the driver to swipe it?

Correct. Going to/from school, tag on the validator on the right; and after 17:00 (13:00 on Saturday) go to the driver to get the correct fare deducted.