New 100-120hp loader tractor

Pat the lad

Looking at changing my loader tractor. It will be doing 700-900 hrs a year. Intention woukd be to keep it for 10 years plus
Top choices would be mf, deutz, new Holland, JD
Went to look at New Holland, interested in a t5.105, but had none in stock and was only interested in selling me a t6 series. So l left fairly rapid.
What's the best JD model in that hp bracket?
I will be getting around to most of the main brands in the coming weeks, but are the lesser known brands worth a look.?
Spoke to a class dealer on the about class arion 410 cis. Sounded ok any one have experience of these?
Going to look at kubota's tomorrow - m108s and m110gx - again anyone know much about kubota's?
Zetor's -forterra 110/115?

All the above dealers would be in a 30 mikes radius, so that isn't a major concern.
Thoughts
Thanks
Or are the main brands worth the extea cost.

tismesoitis

We looking also and 90% sure we going with a Claas. Model down from the Arion 410 we looking at axos 340 seem to be getting much more for our money certainly than the mf 5610.

Greengrass1

tismesoitis wrote: »

We looking also and 90% sure we going with a Claas. Model down from the Arion 410 we looking at axos 340 seem to be getting much more for our money certainly than the mf 5610.

Is it easy to get finance with class?
We are looking to change to but I wouldn't mind a teleporter and keep the other tractor

131spanner

We've a '09 Kubota m108s and we're very happy with her. Light steering, tight lock and handy on diesel so she might make a nice loader / yard tractor.

If I had to pick a few faults, the cab is tight and probably low spec going by today's standards. A few niggly blown fuses and air seat trouble is all that ever went wrong in her.

Hopefully they're a brand that'll gather steam and be up there with the best in time if you've any specific Q's fire away, good luck buying!

cute geoge

What was the problem with the newholland , why not try case equivlant?
Newholland 5040 was priced 45k before new model appeared 18 months ago
Zetor forterra 105 hp with loader was 48k
Zetor proxima 90 hp with loader was 38k
Newholland 6120 with loader was 62k as far as I remember

Juniorhurler

tismesoitis wrote: »

We looking also and 90% sure we going with a Claas. Model down from the Arion 410 we looking at axos 340 seem to be getting much more for our money certainly than the mf 5610.

Was really impressed with the arion at the ploughing. Know nought about them but after looking at them I will think about them whenever I am changing, in many many moons

Pat the lad

131spanner wrote: »

We've a '09 Kubota m108s and we're very happy with her. Light steering, tight lock and handy on diesel so she might make a nice loader / yard tractor.

If I had to pick a few faults, the cab is tight and probably low spec going by today's standards. A few niggly blown fuses and air seat trouble is all that ever went wrong in her.

Hopefully they're a brand that'll gather steam and be up there with the best in time if you've any specific Q's fire away, good luck buying![/quote



Thanks for the replies.
No real questions yet until I see it I suspose.
One kad I was talking to was saying the clutch is light for loader work and that the cabs are noisey?
Any insight on that?

yellow50HX

cute geoge wrote: »

What was the problem with the newholland , why not try case equivlant?
Newholland 5040 was priced 45k before new model appeared 18 months ago
Zetor forterra 105 hp with loader was 48k
Zetor proxima 90 hp with loader was 38k
Newholland 6120 with loader was 62k as far as I remember

yeah, neighbour recently bought a case with a loader. very happy with it

micraX

Mf5455 teir3

nashmach

micraX wrote: »

Mf5455 teir3

Only way to get one of those is old stock I would think.

micraX

nashmach wrote: »

Only way to get one of those is old stock I would think.

Na had both, teir 3 is a better machine. Uncle has one with a loader on his dairy cattle farm, loves it.

MfMan

nashmach wrote: »

Only way to get one of those is old stock I would think.

I notice Kehoe bros in Camolin have a nice 131 in stock with loader brackets.

Juniorhurler

MfMan wrote: »

I notice Kehoe bros in Camolin have a nice 131 in stock with loader brackets.

They won't be cheap. I know for a fact though that they are very good to stand over their machinery though. I know a man who had an issue with a brand new tractor he bought there and they never volunteered a repair, just took it back and gave him another new one.

international xl

Was thinking about changing the tractor myself have zetor,s on the farm for decades and current model has just hit 5000 hours checked them out last couple of months and HSX model would be the only runner only they fitted a cheaper braking system as using the rear brakes through the gearbox to brake the front wheels versus an independent disk brake on lower spec model while the exhaust is still in the wrong place for loader work it pushes loader to far ahead .Top it off they are retailing near enough or more then main stream manufacturing so it will be the last zetor on this farm it is a pity as they are fitted with one hell of great engine.

Greengrass1

international xl wrote: »

Was thinking about changing the tractor myself have zetor,s on the farm for decades and current model has just hit 5000 hours checked them out last couple of months and HSX model would be the only runner only they fitted a cheaper braking system as using the rear brakes through the gearbox to brake the front wheels versus an independent disk brake on lower spec model while the exhaust is still in the wrong place for loader work it pushes loader to far ahead .Top it off they are retailing near enough or more then main stream manufacturing so it will be the last zetor on this farm it is a pity as they are fitted with one hell of great engine.

Have you ever had a 9641?

131spanner

Pat the lad wrote: »

Thanks for the replies.
No real questions yet until I see it I suspose.
One kad I was talking to was saying the clutch is light for loader work and that the cabs are noisey?
Any insight on that?

The clutch on our 108 would be a bit sudden for a loader alright I'd say. We had a Case 4210 on a loader before and it had a grand soft clutch for jobs that'd require a bit of half clutching etc.

I never noticed the cab to be overly noisy myself, but I suppose it depends what you've been driving before or your preference or that

international xl

Only have had forterra series models over 100 hp as the power shifts just take a little hp so under 100hp it was the proxima series as they haver very efficient portal axles and transmission. The 9641 engine came with out a water aftercooler but above 100hp this was on the engine so can be opened up to about 125hp if looking at a 41series from 2005 onwards good improvement on those series electrical lift hook arms one lever for tip tilt and extend .Weakest point of series is clutch as first gear in road range is a little high larger clutch was fitted from 08 onwards. All in all a good product.

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

If I can offer a view of the other side of the coin.
I would not recommend a zetor forterra above the 9641 model. The clutches in them simply do not hold in them. They are too high geared.
In this case zetor is not better

MickeyShtyles

I was having a look around at 100-110hp tractors about a month ago for college. I can PM it to ya if ya want?

jimmy G M

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

I was having a look around at 100-110hp tractors about a month ago for college. I can PM it to ya if ya want?

Why not stick it up here for everyone to have a look at if they want? Isn't that what the forum is about?

MickeyShtyles

jimmy G M wrote: »

Why not stick it up here for everyone to have a look at if they want? Isn't that what the forum is about?

Alright..... It's fairly rough now. But it shows a breakdown over ten diff tractors from 102-113horse! Their abilities and strengths! The four tractors at the bottom are meant as a reference point to the four tractors at the place I work.!

micraX

Why is there no Massey Ferguson?

MickeyShtyles

micraX wrote: »

Why is there no Massey Ferguson?

Theres no mf dealer nearby.....

cute geoge

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

Theres no mf dealer nearby.....

I taught the only main tractor dealer in Kerry was mf Kerry tractors in tralee

Greengrass1

In getting parts for tractor here.
60k for McCormick with a Q30 loader.
Steap.

stanflt

Greengrass1 wrote: »

In getting parts for tractor here.
60k for McCormick with a Q30 loader.
Steap.

I wouldn't buy off him if I was getting it
Please don't mention dealer on here

Brings back to much ill feeling

Greengrass1

stanflt wrote: »

I wouldn't buy off him if I was getting it for free

Had an issue with a case 4230 years ago- bought it with 6months warranty and the drive from the gear box broke he wouldn't stand over it and cost us 3k less the free part 500euro to fix

He wanted 4k to fix it so we went else where- solicitors were involved and we had the receipt with Warrener period on it as anything I buy I get dealer to write warranty on sales receipt

Case paid for the part but I had to pay half the labour as I got it done else where

Please don't mention dealer on here

This lad is a McCormick dealer but does case parts.

He us a brilliant lad tbh can't parise him enough.
Every time we have a problem with our case we ring him.
But for a 102hp McCormick was a bit steap.
Hard to know what make if tractor to buy tbh.
I'd love to go back case again

MickeyShtyles

cute geoge wrote: »

I taught the only main tractor dealer in Kerry was mf Kerry tractors in tralee

I did in from home not from college....

micraX

MickeyShtyles wrote: »

I did in from home not from college....

End farm machinery in north Dublin?

Pat the lad

Update
Probably moving towards 110-120hp now, for abit more weight/size/comfort for hauling/loading etc

Kubota: dealer mad to sell 108's with loader. It has no passenger seat so that was disadvantage. Was interested in the m110gx, but he had none in stock. Hard to judge then.

Mf: again dealer wanted to sell 5450 107hp, i was interested in the 5611, this was another 15k above the 5450 -scary stuff

Class: looked at the axos. Lovely tractor and great value, especially compared to the mf above. They had a class arion 420. Smasher. 100hp that boosts up to 120. Probably favourite so far. Jd engine with class designed cooling system so they have cured what ever problems jd had - allegedly. Lads around here say stay away, one reason been poor resale values??? Anyone know anything about this?

Case: looked at the max 120. Nice tractor too. Prob won't go with it though at the same time.

JD: ruled out the smaller 5m's. Drove a 6rc (110hp)and 5115(115hp). Very nice tractors. Built in loader makes them feel very solid.

So jd & class are neck and neck. Similar money, class has a few extra horses. But JD will hold there value better. Again if I don't intend on changing for a long time does resale value matter?

2nd market for 2-4 year tractors is very expensive. Would you trust a 2 year tractor with low hours.
Decisions!!!!

visatorro

Did you look in UK or the north.?? Better value

valtraman

My comment is parallel lift /self levelling is essential for ease of use and the only thing not on that chart of mickey's is the capacity of the front axles ,they vary a fair bit between tractor makes

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

Pat the lad wrote: »

Class: looked at the axos. Lads around here say stay away, one reason been poor resale values??? Anyone know anything about this? I don't intend on changing for a long time does resale value matter?

Thats the renault stigma they are trying to shake off. From around 08 onwards they are more claas and way less renault when they were using some renault fixings in the cab.

As you said yourself why pay a premium when you are going to hold a tractor a long time.

weatherbyfoxer

Priced a new holland t5.105 full spec with loader at the ploughing back in September...it was €65000 inc vat...id say you would get it for 60 with a bit of negotiation

what sort of money are the new 100-110 hp masseys fitted with a loader?...anyone a rough idea?

weatherbyfoxer

Priced a new holland t5.105 full spec with loader at the ploughing back in September...it was €65000 inc vat...id say you would get it for 60 with a bit of negotiation

what sort of money are the new 100-110 hp masseys fitted with a loader?...anyone a rough idea?

Greengrass1

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

Thats the renault stigma they are trying to shake off. From around 08 onwards they are more claas and way less renault when they were using some renault fixings in the cab.

As you said yourself why pay a premium when you are going to hold a tractor a long time.

Exactly what were thinking. If we buy it will be over 7 years and I'd say there would be nearly 8k hrs on it then so still won't be worth much no matter what the make

I said

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Exactly what were thinking. If we buy it will be over 7 years and I'd say there would be nearly 8k hrs on it then so still won't be worth much no matter what the make

You've answered your own question there

ZETOR_IS_BETTER

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Exactly what were thinking. If we buy it will be over 7 years and I'd say there would be nearly 8k hrs on it then so still won't be worth much no matter what the make

Spot on. One other important factor in buying a tractor is the dealers back up to you. People over look that and let a branded name rule their head.

Viewtodiefor

Pat the lad wrote: »

Update
Probably moving towards 110-120hp now, for abit more weight/size/comfort for hauling/loading etc

Kubota: dealer mad to sell 108's with loader. It has no passenger seat so that was disadvantage. Was interested in the m110gx, but he had none in stock. Hard to judge then.

Mf: again dealer wanted to sell 5450 107hp, i was interested in the 5611, this was another 15k above the 5450 -scary stuff

Class: looked at the axos. Lovely tractor and great value, especially compared to the mf above. They had a class arion 420. Smasher. 100hp that boosts up to 120. Probably favourite so far. Jd engine with class designed cooling system so they have cured what ever problems jd had - allegedly. Lads around here say stay away, one reason been poor resale values??? Anyone know anything about this?

Case: looked at the max 120. Nice tractor too. Prob won't go with it though at the same time.

JD: ruled out the smaller 5m's. Drove a 6rc (110hp)and 5115(115hp). Very nice tractors. Built in loader makes them feel very solid.

So jd & class are neck and neck. Similar money, class has a few extra horses. But JD will hold there value better. Again if I don't intend on changing for a long time does resale value matter?

2nd market for 2-4 year tractors is very expensive. Would you trust a 2 year tractor with low hours.
Decisions!!!!

How much ya talking about for the John deere's ? Have they fixed there engine problems??

Greengrass1

ZETOR_IS_BETTER wrote: »

Spot on. One other important factor in buying a tractor is the dealers back up to you. People over look that and let a branded name rule their head.

Class only 20 main away and already have a wrapper off then and there very good now. Had wrapper a month and the wires got chopped going to computer and they came out and fixed it up and never mentioned a word about a bill

stanflt

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Class only 20 main away and already have a wrapper off then and there very good now. Had wrapper a month and the wires got chopped going to computer and they came out and fixed it up and never mentioned a word about a bill

i looked at an axion 540 with mx electrohyd loader

640tyres on rear 520 on front
front and cab sub
155hp 4 cyl

some bus

Greengrass1

stanflt wrote: »

i looked at an axion 540 with mx electrohyd loader

640tyres on rear 520 on front
front and cab sub
155hp 4 cyl

some bus

Be big alright too big for what we do.
Friend is after buying a JD 6150r I think it is with a loader. Pure waste of money I think considering he us a milk man. He considers himself a contractor too I think

larthehar

A make not mentioned yet is valtra.. we were traditionally massey men here (still have the 35 in daily use) but I thought there were no comparison in the build quality.. had a mf 5455 and changed to a valtra N92. Good solid back end for loader work, never need the 4 wheel drive in the yard.. great tractor to pull too.. 2k hispec is a doddle... neighbour has one with 19k hrs.. Engine never touched..

Something to consider!

Greengrass1

larthehar wrote: »

A make not mentioned yet is valtra.. we were traditionally massey men here (still have the 35 in daily use) but I thought there were no comparison in the build quality.. had a mf 5455 and changed to a valtra N92. Good solid back end for loader work, never need the 4 wheel drive in the yard.. great tractor to pull too.. 2k hispec is a doddle... neighbour has one with 19k hrs.. Engine never touched..

Something to consider!

Are all the 100hp ones 3cyl same as Massey?

Damo810

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Are all the 100hp ones 3cyl same as Massey?

You used to, as far as I know be able to chose the 4 cylinder version if you wanted. Would expect the N series to be a fair bit dearer than the 55K you were quoted for the claas. A series would still be dearer I'd say, although they have fairly spec'd them up in the last few years.

Viewtodiefor

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Class only 20 main away and already have a wrapper off then and there very good now. Had wrapper a month and the wires got chopped going to computer and they came out and fixed it up and never mentioned a word about a bill

For what's its worth if buy a valtra before a class, def more reliable

Greengrass1

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

For what's its worth if buy a valtra before a class, def more reliable

Valtra only half hour away.
Hardly be cheaper?

Damo810

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Valtra only half hour away.
Hardly be cheaper?

No, it wouldn't I made a typo, sorry to get your hopes up :pac:

Greengrass1

Nothing settled on yet any way. Hoping to look at a 2010 maxxum 110 this week with a loader

vanderbadger

http://www.fwi.co.uk/articles/29/10/2013/141747/seven-110hp-tractors-put-to-the-test.htm

farmerjj

Pat the lad wrote: »

Looking at changing my loader tractor. It will be doing 700-900 hrs a year. Intention woukd be to keep it for 10 years plus
Top choices would be mf, deutz, new Holland, JD
Went to look at New Holland, interested in a t5.105, but had none in stock and was only interested in selling me a t6 series. So l left fairly rapid.
What's the best JD model in that hp bracket?
I will be getting around to most of the main brands in the coming weeks, but are the lesser known brands worth a look.?
Spoke to a class dealer on the about class arion 410 cis. Sounded ok any one have experience of these?
Going to look at kubota's tomorrow - m108s and m110gx - again anyone know much about kubota's?
Zetor's -forterra 110/115?

All the above dealers would be in a 30 mikes radius, so that isn't a major concern.
Thoughts
Thanks
Or are the main brands worth the extea cost.

What did you end up going with pat, old tread but looking at getting something similar so be nice to know your verdict?