how much more can this camel take?

renegademaster

i won't bother even tryin to point out each and every proven instance of corruption of our democracy, sovereignty, daily lives and even if some would agrue that some may not actually be proven, yet, I do worry a little that people are intent on attempting to carry on as if everything is rosey in the garden all the while **** keeps getting curiousor and curiousor regarding the levels of civil obedience achieved amongst the masses here in Ireland.

the last huge crisis before the latest episode was the jail the bankers (correct me if i'm wrong) and at least back then there were the beginnings of a mass movement, even if the SWP/PbP disbanded the whole 3 week exercise as it began to grow legs. my point being is that not one group have called for the much needed mass movement that is needed to light a fire under the arses of our political/influential elitists to do the right thing by the people of Ireland and more importantly the whistleblowers.

in my mind we are well and truly fcuked cos we're on our own now, anybody who is fed up has not one group offering a way to channel that anger and show the government you've had enough.

where are all the militant revolutionaries out there, occupy, the left, previous protestors, why aren't we deciding to all hit the streets at the same time for the first time ever, all groups together, it would rattle the $hit out of government in a matter of days

For Forks Sake

Oh goody, another one of these threads.

Let me save us all the bother...revolution, revolution..sheeple, WAKE UP...sheeple...an incredibly long-winded KyussBishop piece on an obscure economic theory /thread

Muise...

African or European? Bactrian or Dromedary?

MadYaker

The thread over in politics good you all riled up so now you're over here for a rant? Good lad.

For Forks Sake

Muise... wrote: »

African or European? Bactrian or Dromedary?

Filter or non-filter?

deise08

thought I was opening an interesting natural discussion thing

are they riding the camel sideways?

Muise...

deise08 wrote: »

thought I was opening an interesting natural discussion thing

are they riding the camel sideways?

I think the problem is everybody is camel toe-ing the line.

yawhat!

Sir Arthur Daley

The recent flooding's have been a right hump too.

renegademaster

MadYaker wrote: »

The thread over in politics good you all riled up so now you're over here for a rant? Good lad.

i would like to start some debate surrounding taking to the streets

For Forks Sake

renegademaster wrote: »

i would like to start some debate surrounding taking to the streets

Judging by your post history, it seems to be your sole topic of conversation.

Maybe it's a case that just because you keep repeating something it's not necessarily true?

renegademaster

For Forks Sake wrote: »

judging by your post history, it seems to be your sole topic of conversation

and the problem with that is exactly?

hfallada

This is what corruption looks like

http://youtu.be/7w7xJdSLrxo

Its the house of the former leader of Ukraine.

We have had countless tribunals and investigates etc. And yet there is very little evidence of corruption in Ireland. Corruption is needing to pay someone off to get anything done. That is not the case at in Ireland. Everyone in Ireland talks about how corrupt our country is. But there is never any tax payer money stolen, contracts are given out with transparency and I have never personally meet someone who had to pay off a garda, a planner, tax or someone in the company registration office to set up a company. Something which is common in Southern Europe but not Ireland

In international studies Ireland is one of the least corrupt countries in the world and has one of the smallest black economies. The word corruption is used every time a bad decision has been made in Ireland. As its easier to blame someone rather than the cause of the problem eg TD that nothing but teacher, but are for some reason running a country, but they could not run a corner shop

Arthur Beesley

I thought this thread was about animal cruelty - a camel jockey pushing his steed too hard in his quest for glory.

cml387

renegademaster wrote: »

yet, I do worry a little that people are intent on attempting to carry on as if everything is rosey in the garden

There's your rallying cry:

"Onwards to the streets, I'm worried a little!"

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Relax. Sure everything's fine. You obvious are under 40 and think this is a big issue. Rest assured it's not. Never was. We'll pass over it and find something else to talk/worry/rant/rebel about next week/month/year.

In addition, it has been done to death on forums. Internet bluster and revolution. What a joke!

The Backwards Man

I don't want to go the streets. I'm quite happy with the levels of democracy, transparency and corruption that exist here.

There's a hell of a lot things I'm not happy about, but taking to the streets or whatever other idiotic courses of protest people choose to pursue do clean fcuk all good whatsoever.

Besides, it's pishing the rain.

MadYaker

renegademaster wrote: »

i would like to start some debate surrounding taking to the streets

Ah ok. For what reason exactly??

I've been watching the news lately and I can completely understand why the Ukranians were out on the streets and fair play to them. I can also understand why the Syrians and the Libyans originally started kicking up a fuss. But when I compare them to Ireland its just really not the same thing.


A lot of Irish people seem to be in a constant state of outrage, mostly fueled by the media, in my opinion we actually have not all that much to complain about. To be honest over the last year things have improved in Ireland so if there was ever going to be large scale protest I think that ship has sailed.

But if you think we should be out on the streets id love to know why.

Muise...

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I don't want to go the streets. I'm quite happy with the levels of democracy, transparency and corruption that exist here.

There's a hell of a lot things I'm not happy about, but taking to the streets or whatever other idiotic courses of protest people choose to pursue do clean fcuk all good whatsoever.

Besides, it's pishing the rain.

Me too - I'm too busy carrying on and pretending everything is rosy in the garden. Survival and optimism are exhausting. Also, I've to wash the cat.

Renegade Mechanic

If there is even an ounce of credence to these rumours of a mandatory health Tax (It just is, leave it), something we'll be charged 500, 1000 euros a year for then that, OP, may be what I might call a "spark"..

renegademaster

cml387 wrote: »

There's your rallying cry:

"Onwards to the streets, I'm worried a little!"

i'm not the only one that's worried!!

by not challenging corruption you actually encourage it ffs!!

heads down tryin to get on with it is what eventually led to the Nazi disaster in Germany

For Forks Sake

hfallada wrote: »

We have had countless tribunals and investigates etc. And yet there is very little evidence of corruption in Ireland. Corruption is needing to pay someone off to get anything done. That is not the case at in Ireland. Everyone in Ireland talks about how corrupt our country is. But there is never any tax payer money stolen, contracts are given out with transparency and I have never personally meet someone who had to pay off a garda, a planner, tax or someone in the company registration office to set up a company. Something which is common in Southern Europe but not Ireland

In international studies Ireland is one of the least corrupt countries in the world and has one of the smallest black economies. The word corruption is used every time a bad decision has been made in Ireland. As its easier to blame someone rather than the cause of the problem eg TD that nothing but teacher, but are for some reason running a country, but they could not run a corner shop

Here's the 2013 Transparency International Corruption Index to back that up, before our learned friend accuses you of being a sheep being sedated by de media/flouride/rabble topic de jour.

For Forks Sake

renegademaster wrote: »

heads down tryin to get on with it is what eventually led to the Nazi disaster in Germany

Godwins Law by page 2 . Impressive.

cml387

renegademaster wrote: »

i'm not the only one that's worried!!

by not challenging corruption you actually encourage it ffs!!

heads down tryin to get on with it is what eventually led to the Nazi disaster in Germany

You've Godwined your own thread there. I think I'd start again.

Muise...

renegademaster wrote: »

heads down tryin to get on with it is what eventually led to the Nazi disaster in Germany

Good Godwin, you're right - we have so much in common with Nazis - we even have two legs, just like them. :eek:

gozunda

hfallada wrote: »

This is what corruption looks like

http://youtu.be/7w7xJdSLrxo

Its the house of the former leader of Ukraine.

We have had countless tribunals and investigates etc. And yet there is very little evidence of corruption in Ireland. Corruption is needing to pay someone off to get anything done. That is not the case at in Ireland. Everyone in Ireland talks about how corrupt our country is. But there is never any tax payer money stolen, contracts are given out with transparency and I have never personally meet someone who had to pay off a garda, a planner, tax or someone in the company registration office to set up a company. Something which is common in Southern Europe but not Ireland

In international studies Ireland is one of the least corrupt countries in the world and has one of the smallest black economies. The word corruption is used every time a bad decision has been made in Ireland. As its easier to blame someone rather than the cause of the problem eg TD that nothing but teacher, but are for some reason running a country, but they could not run a corner shop

Jeez Alan - you still at it? That was a quare speech in the Dail today alright ... Are u sure about the never paying anyone off. who was your man (scratches head) in the Mahon Trubunal over corruption and planning. I could go on but I really couldn't be bothered....

MadYaker

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

If there is even an ounce of credence to these rumours of a mandatory health Tax (It just is, leave it), something we'll be charged 500, 1000 euros a year for then that, OP, may be what I might call a "spark"..

No idea what you're on about here to be honest.

Ireland is no perfect paradise but are we living in squalor, or even close to poverty while our leaders (who got into power via rigged elections) drink the best wine and live in gold gilded houses all paid for by tax payers money? Is education so expensive as to put it beyond the reach of everyone except the richest? Are minorities being oppressed? Is our democratic system simply a hoax? Do our government used the army and police force to subdue us?

From what I've read of your posts it seems you are in favour of taking to the streets to bring about revolution. In our case the answer to all the above questions is no, and to be honest if you want to take to the streets in unpeaceful protest and cause trouble for anything less than that then I think you fully deserve the police baton you'll get between the eyes.

renegademaster

MadYaker wrote: »

Ah ok. For what reason exactly??

I've been watching the news lately and I can completely understand why the Ukranians were out on the streets and fair play to them. I can also understand why the Syrians and the Libyans originally started kicking up a fuss. But when I compare them to Ireland its just really not the same thing.


A lot of Irish people seem to be in a constant state of outrage, mostly fueled by the media, in my opinion we actually have not all that much to complain about. To be honest over the last year things have improved in Ireland so if there was ever going to be large scale protest I think that ship has sailed.

But if you think we should be out on the streets id love to know why.

because if we continue to do nothing we're encouraging the corrupt to carry on as normal which can only get worse and i am also worried about the **** we don't know about, what we know about is freaky enough for me thanks very much, i've had enough and would love to get involved with peaceful protests imediately to try bring about some change.

what is wrong with that?? I repeat, all i want is change, for the better, is this wrong????

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

renegademaster wrote: »

heads down tryin to get on with it is what eventually led to the Nazi disaster in Germany

As someone of that era, I can tell you you have just shown your ignorance.

Corruption - my ass. You don't know what corruption is. Anger - we're not even close to that my friend. Taking to the streets - for what?

For Forks Sake

renegademaster wrote: »

because if we continue to do nothing we're encouraging the corrupt to carry on as normal which can only get worse and i am also worried about the **** we don't know about, what we know about is freaky enough for me thanks very much, i've had enough and would love to get involved with peaceful protests imediately to try bring about some change.

what is wrong with that?? I repeat, all i want is change, for the better, is this wrong????

To what end? Outline your post-revolutionary paradise. With actual facts and figures please.

The Backwards Man

Muise... wrote: »

Me too - I'm too busy carrying on and pretending everything is rosy in the garden. Survival and optimism are exhausting. Also, I've to wash the cat.

Saw cheap rosebushes in ALDI, everyone's gardens could be rosy.

Muise...

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Saw cheap rosebushes in ALDI, everyone's gardens could be rosy.

I don't have a garden.

But I'll dance the tango with a rose in my teeth, cause that's the fun way to take to the streets.

MadYaker

renegademaster wrote: »

because if we continue to do nothing we're encouraging the corrupt to carry on as normal which can only get worse and i am also worried about the **** we don't know about, what we know about is freaky enough for me thanks very much, i've had enough and would love to get involved with peaceful protests imediately to try bring about some change.

what is wrong with that?? I repeat, all i want is change, for the better, is this wrong????

Nothing wrong with wanting change for the better, we all want that. But for a protest to be effective you need to have a clear message, as in something you specifically want to change otherwise its not effective, unless of course you live in Syria or the Ukraine where the entire system is rotten to the core and you need to tear it all down and start again from scratch. I don't think Ireland will ever get that bad though.

The Backwards Man

This camel wants a pint. And a packet a dates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ou204dQbKwc

eireannBEAR

Im going to take to the streets and smash everything up unless some one here gives me a job!!! :mad:

renegademaster

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Godwins Law by page 2 . Impressive.

cml387 wrote: »

You've Godwined your own thread there. I think I'd start again.

For Forks Sake wrote: »

To what end? Outline your post-revolutionary paradise. With actual facts and figures please.

ah this old chestnut again

i'm not saying reinvent the fcukign wheel, merely suggesting we make the one decision to do the right thing instead of coming up with all the wonderful spin it take sto pull off this corrupt bull$hit!!

way's a go though, the force is strong within you a chara :rolleyes:

For Forks Sake

renegademaster wrote: »

i'm not saying reinvent the fcukign wheel, merely suggesting we make the one decision to do the right thing instead of coming up with all the wonderful spin it take sto pull off this corrupt bull$hit!!

You're the one trying to get people onto the streets.

Tell us why, how you plan on changing things and what it'd be like after the glorious overthrow of the government. Why should people follow you?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

renegademaster wrote: »

ah this old chestnut again

i'm not saying reinvent the fcukign wheel, merely suggesting we make the one decision to do the right thing instead of coming up with all the wonderful spin it take sto pull off this corrupt bull$hit!!

way's a go though, the force is strong within you a chara :rolleyes:

And which wheel do you want us to use? This wagon is rolling nicely whether you want to believe so or not. What cart do you want us to harness up to?
It's all bluster so far. So, what do you want changed? What will I be taking to the highways over exactly?

renegademaster

MadYaker wrote: »

Nothing wrong with wanting change for the better, we all want that. But for a protest to be effective you need to have a clear message, as in something you specifically want to change otherwise its not effective, unless of course you live in Syria or the Ukraine where the entire system is rotten to the core and you need to tear it all down and start again from scratch. I don't think Ireland will ever get that bad though.

the way we're going we're definately going to see it get a lot worse before it gets better, we haven't even begun our long road to (real) change

what we are witnessing is one long drawn out car crash for a democracy where we bail out too big to fail banks but first they take the last of our pension reserve, we challenge the bail out and the promissory notes get changed overnight by a load of drunk idiots, we get treated to the anglo and lowry tapes etc etc yet still not a stir out of the irish people since 2010 when we forced fianna fail to call general elections.

cowens government was given it's marching orders long before now

southcentralts

Good Government > Bad Government > No Government

We don't need to tear down the house because of a few broken windows.


Or we could try my dictatorship, I promise to be good to everyone who does what I tell them to do.:D

I know I'm a bit late to this party, but I genuinely thought this thread was going to be a sort of "virtual buckaroo".

*sigh*

Nevermind, carry on.

My name is URL

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Oh goody, another one of these threads.

Let me save us all the bother...revolution, revolution..sheeple, WAKE UP...sheeple...an incredibly long-winded KyussBishop piece on an obscure economic theory /thread

Funny, seeing as you have most posts in this thread so far.

/thread indeed :rolleyes:

Slicemeister

Cool Username OP.

bnt

You can take the streets, and you're quite welcome to them. I prefer buildings, those things with walls and a roof.

For Forks Sake

My name is URL wrote: »

Funny, seeing as you have most posts in this thread so far.

/thread indeed :rolleyes:

Ah, but I keep my posts to a couple of sentences, rather than submit a postdoctoral thesis each time I hit submit reply.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Slicemeister wrote: »

Cool Username OP.

I'm just wondering who the renegades are that he's master of.

My name is URL

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Ah, but I keep my posts to a couple of sentences, rather than submit a postdoctoral thesis each time I hit submit reply.

Well your brevity is to be exalted. You're obviously such a better person than most others, with your pre-emptive attacks on other users.

Thanks for saving us all the bother of having to read through such an awful thread with all the bogeymen you predicted would be contained within it.

renegademaster

For Forks Sake wrote: »

You're the one trying to get people onto the streets.

Tell us why, how you plan on changing things and what it'd be like after the glorious overthrow of the government. Why should people follow you?

i couldn't see it being anything like the Ukraine so that itself is comforting, the right people would be allowed to communicate with the people at mass gatherings, if the majority know these people to be corrupt they won't be allowed to speak, and only through general concensus with the crowds could any decisions be made before elections,

whatever chance we could have of bringing about change we have no chance if we continue to do nothing indefinately.

sure why would they change if they think we'll sit back for another 2 years until april 2016 when edna lets us have general elections, they're all out on massive pensions and the next crowd in will hav eno great gra for change either judging by the amounts of civil obedience having being witnessed for another 2 years in light of all the corruption coming to light

and i stress again, we only know about what's come to light, you'd be a fool to think it stops anywhere near there!!

Orlaw3136

renegademaster wrote: »

i would like to start some debate surrounding taking to the streets

Nothing stopping you - free country 'n all.

Just mind not to get in my way on the way to work pls.

renegademaster

Slicemeister wrote: »

Cool Username OP.

cheers

back once again with the ill behaviour :pac:

Muise...

Paige Famous Fog wrote: »

I'm just wondering who the renegades are that he's master of.

None, I'd wager, since by definition renegades have no masters.