Which race will Annie Power line up for?

munster87

Interested to see what way a poll would go!

Nulty

Aintree option please

munster87

I don't know how to change options!

kfallon

Defo the World Hurdle imo

Colonel Sanders

kfallon wrote: »

Defo the World Hurdle imo

Agreed but I somehow managed to vote Champion Hurdle

RichieLawlor

I'd keep here for Aintree if not running in the champion, wouldn't subject her to a battle up the hill with Big Bucks at this stage of her career, whether she wins or not it could destroy her

Seeing Stars

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I'd keep here for Aintree if not running in the champion, wouldn't subject her to a battle up the hill with Big Bucks at this stage of her career, whether she wins or not it could destroy her

She will win on the bridle if she runs in WH

premierstone

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I'd keep here for Aintree if not running in the champion, wouldn't subject her to a battle up the hill with Big Bucks at this stage of her career, whether she wins or not it could destroy her

Unless Ruby decides to take her around again Big Bucks won't be within a furlong of her coming up any hill

kfallon

Seeing Stars wrote: »

She will win on the bridle if she runs in WH

Hard. On. The. Steel.

MR_BROWNSTONE

howdy lads...newbie here just thought id join in the conversation

was at a preview last night and the majority of the panel at it thought Annie Power will go to Aintree...one of the journo's from The Star reckons Rich Ricci is only a minority owner and that one of the Mullins (cant remember who) actually owns most of the horse...

mdwexford

Seeing Stars wrote: »

She will win on the bridle if she runs in WH

Into racing about 3 months are we?

Gringo180

Seeing Stars wrote: »

She will win on the bridle if she runs in WH

Im a big fan of the mare but thats nonsense, she wont beat Big Bucks if he's at his best.

Seeing Stars

Gringo180 wrote: »

Im a big fan of the mare but thats nonsense, she wont beat Big Bucks if he's at his best.

If Voler la Vedette runs a fully fit BB in his prime you got to think AP will beat him,, only an opinion I just hope we get to find out

irish_major

Gringo180 wrote: »

Im a big fan of the mare but thats nonsense, she wont beat Big Bucks if he's at his best.

The chances of big bucks being at his best are slim to nil.
I think its obvious that shes going for this race and think shell definitely win it.

And also why has there recently been a splurge of 'ruin the horses career if it gets into a battle'.
Can someone show me a horse that this has ever happened to?
Just cause mullins has said something that suits him, it doesnt make it true!

mdwexford

irish_major wrote: »

The chances of big bucks being at his best are slim to nil.
I think its obvious that shes going for this race and think shell definitely win it.

And also why has there recently been a splurge of 'ruin the horses career if it gets into a battle'.
Can someone show me a horse that this has ever happened to?
Just cause mullins has said something that suits him, it doesnt make it true!

BB could easily be at his best, we dont know.

Punchestowns
Time For Rupert
Grands Crus
Voler La Vedette

His victims were never the same after coming second to him. Admittedly most went chasing but never achieved what they promised after trying to challenge the greatest staying hurdler of all time. (Or joint with Baracouda...)

kfallon

mdwexford wrote: »

the greatest staying hurdler of all time. (Or joint with Baracouda...)

*cough* *cough* Inglis Drever *cough*

Trained by a tit, still won 3 World Hurdles, legend

mdwexford

Love him too and that's all true.

We've been spoilt with staying hurdlers the last decade or so.

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

BB could easily be at his best, we dont know.

Punchestowns
Time For Rupert
Grands Crus
Voler La Vedette

His victims were never the same after coming second to him. Admittedly most went chasing but never achieved what they promised after trying to challenge the greatest staying hurdler of all time. (Or joint with Baracouda...)

GC faced him again at Aintree and went on to shape like a real promising chaser. I am convinced the horse soured / got a bad knock in the RSA. He was going best and Scu stuck him through the smallest of gaps between Bobs and FL and he got squeezed mid air and iirc he got shuffled back and when Scu got him going he suck him in the same placed and he backed out tamely.

I cant understand people saying she shouldn't run in the WH, IF Big Bucks runs to his absolute best mark of 174 Annie would need a run of 168 with her allowance to win. Lets not forget Ruby knows Big Bucks better than anyone and will know how to beat him.

The key is keeping your horse out of Big Bucks eyeline so either mug him over the last or go the complete other side of the track when they swing in, last think you want is a scrap.

RichieLawlor

I didn't say she wouldn't beat Big Bucks, she might, I don't think she will. However she won't beat him without getting into a fight, anyone who thinks different has mental issues, and a fight like that as a 6 year old could ruin her.

RichieLawlor

hucklebuck wrote: »

GC faced him again at Aintree and went on to shape like a real promising chaser. I am convinced the horse soured / got a bad knock in the RSA. He was going best and Scu stuck him through the smallest of gaps between Bobs and FL and he got squeezed mid air and iirc he got shuffled back and when Scu got him going he suck him in the same placed and he backed out tamely.

I cant understand people saying she shouldn't run in the WH, IF Big Bucks runs to his absolute best mark of 174 Annie would need a run of 168 with her allowance to win. Lets not forget Ruby knows Big Bucks better than anyone and will know how to beat him.

The key is keeping your horse out of Big Bucks eyeline so either mug him over the last or go the complete other side of the track when they swing in, last think you want is a scrap.

Big Bucks absolute mark was 174? Oh Jesus. He was never stretched, they never found the bottom of him, Timeform had him 176 with plenty if scope for better. Everyone agreed he had tons more if ever needed and was impossible to put a proper rating on.

You and sting need to be checked over

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

I didn't say she wouldn't beat Big Bucks, she might, I don't think she will. However she won't beat him without getting into a fight, anyone who thinks different has mental issues, and a fight like that as a 6 year old could ruin her.

I never said you said it.

You get into a fight with him if you are stupid enough to eyeball him. Like I said AP could beat him by mugging him or going to the other side turning in, neither would result in eyeballing to get into said fight.

If Big Buck comes stand side turning in and Ruby brings AP up the inside and gives her a squeeze its game over for Big Bucks at his best or not.

He is one hell of a horse to pass but I don't recall him having to come from behind something when every horse is at it

Ralligher

really hope its champion hurdle have her at 40s

hucklebuck

RichieLawlor wrote: »

Big Bucks absolute mark was 174? Oh Jesus. He was never stretched, they never found the bottom of him, Timeform had him 176 with plenty if scope for better. Everyone agreed he had tons more if ever needed and was impossible to put a proper rating on.

You and sting need to be checked over

Yes, absolute best mark, he hasn't attained a higher mark than 174, I never said he was bottomed.

Do you honestly think 11 year old Big Bucks coming back from a year off can run better than 174, given he got beaten by a 30lbs inferior horse even allowing for fitness?

ste2010

There is no way big bucks is winning this year..

Harry Angstrom

ste2010 wrote: »

There is no way big bucks is winning this year..

If he couldn't beat Knockara Beau last time, he won't be beating Annie Power if she turns up.

Gringo180

Seeing Stars wrote: »

If Voler la Vedette runs a fully fit BB in his prime you got to think AP will beat him,, only an opinion I just hope we get to find out

The beast had another stone in the locker that day :cool:

Gringo180

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

If he couldn't beat Knockara Beau last time, he won't be beating Annie Power if she turns up.

Jockey got him beat last time, pushing the button on him way too early in an absolute bog on his first run in over a year, shocking ride it was.

madmoose

“@Emmet_Kennedy: I'm sitting beside Henry De Bromhead who says Ricci told him he wants to run Annie Power in the Champion.”

Hmmm

Colonel Sanders

Big Bucks wasn't fit in the Cleeve, he also came out of the race the best horse at the weights

hucklebuck

Gringo180 wrote: »

Jockey got him beat last time, pushing the button on him way too early in an absolute bog on his first run in over a year, shocking ride it was.

Way too much made of the ride because it was Sam, I said it straight after the race that is where Ruby had picked it up previously.

Ruby came out after and said there was nothing wrong with the ride, Big Bucks just got tired.

ste2010

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Big Bucks wasn't fit in the Cleeve, he also came out of the race the best horse at the weights

That wouldn't be difficult in fair..he bet a horse that was trounced by reve de sivola earlier in the year and couldn't jump hurdle. Also that knockara beau..
The dream is over. He will lose in 2 weeks and he'll be retired or sent to Richard Rowe

hucklebuck

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Big Bucks wasn't fit in the Cleeve, he also came out of the race the best horse at the weights

One concern I would have about Big Bucks is that Nicholls normally has them spot on after a long lay off, it could be that Big Bucks takes a lot of getting but it could be that father time has caught up with him.

I just cannot see any result apart from Annie Power winning giving the allowance.

mdwexford

hucklebuck wrote: »

If Big Buck comes stand side turning in and Ruby brings AP up the inside and gives her a squeeze its game over for Big Bucks at his best or not.

So to be clear on this you are saying Annie Power is better than Big Bucks?

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

So to be clear on this you are saying Annie Power is better than Big Bucks?

Unless Sam is completely aware to it Ruby could have stolen 8 lengths before Big Bucks responds and he would have to be at his very best to peg her back given he is shouldering 7lbs more.

Not only is she getting 7lbs but she is a big powerful mare.

I take it you are in the Big Bucks camp?

Ray Mond

Friend of mine was out having a few drinks with Ricci last weekend and told him to back AP for the Champion Hurdle.
Hope she goes the WH just cant see willie throwing her in against The Fly.

Huntley

Big Bucks being sent to Richard Rowe. Annie Power winning a three mile staying chase on the bridle.

Gringo180

hucklebuck wrote: »

Way too much made of the ride because it was Sam, I said it straight after the race that is where Ruby had picked it up previously.

Ruby came out after and said there was nothing wrong with the ride, Big Bucks just got tired.

I couldnt care what Ruby said, in my book it was an appalling bit of horsemanship, you dont push the button that far from home on a horse making his first appearance in over a year on bottomless ground and conceding weight all round. He did the very same on The New One when he was beaten by At Fishers Cross.

hucklebuck

Huntley wrote: »

Big Bucks being sent to Richard Rowe. Annie Power winning a three mile staying chase on the bridle.

Who are you backing in the World Huntley?

mdwexford

hucklebuck wrote: »

Unless Sam is completely aware to it Ruby could have stolen 8 lengths before Big Bucks responds and he would have to be at his very best to peg her back given he is shouldering 7lbs more.

Not only is she getting 7lbs but she is a big powerful mare.

I take it you are in the Big Bucks camp?

No I'm undecided yet but I think Big Bucks at his best is better than anything Annie Power has shown us so far allowances or not.

It's the duel of the meeting if she's in and a very intriguing race, tactics will play a big part. Switch jockeys and I'd like BB chances a lot more.

ste2010

Huntley wrote: »

Big Bucks being sent to Richard Rowe. Annie Power winning a three mile staying chase on the bridle.

RR comment was exagerrated humour..a man of your sarcasm delivery would usually have picked up on that usually

Gringo180

Will Annie Power even stay the 3 miles?
Was hoping she would turn up in the Champion Hurdle.

hucklebuck

Gringo180 wrote: »

I couldnt care what Ruby said, in my book it was an appalling bit of horsemanship, you dont push the button that far from home on a horse making his first appearance in over a year on bottomless ground and conceding weight all round. He did the very same on The New One when he was beaten by At Fishers Cross.

Whatever Sam did he would be the worst in the World if Big Bucks didn't win.

Big Buck pulled his way into the lead down the back, even coming down the hill Sam is sitting very quietly and only starts moving his hands just before turning in.

How many races has Big Bucks won without being cajoled along? I can only think of one race where he had everything stone dead in behind and he cantered up behind Lough Derg, who I love, but Big Bucks is in a whole other league to LD.

Huntley

hucklebuck wrote: »

Who are you backing in the World Huntley?

More than likely nothing. I backed Zarkandar months ago which was probably a waste. Big Bucks will be ridden with more restraint but at some stage needs to push on and test the mare. Tactically fascinating, it will be a game of cat and mouse.

Gringo180

I think it was a mixture of a bad ride and the ground that did him on his reapperance there was no way he would of been beaten on decent ground that day, but Nicholls had no choice to run him he needed a prep before going to the WH. We will see the best of him in 2 weeks I just hope if AP does turn up that the race doesnt ruin her.

ste2010

I still think Zarkandar somehow is still under the radar. He's been calling out for this trip for nearly 2 seasons now. I've backed him at 16's a few weeks ago on the premise i expected annie power to run in the champion. I'm quite happy with that still at that price. If she runs I can lay it on the day. I can't have big bucks with or without Annie power..I would be over the moon if he won but I can't see it at all.

If annie power doesnt run in the WH Hucklebuck, itll be the first season Zarkandar wins out of juvenile company at the festival and you won't be on him or will you?! :-)

hucklebuck

mdwexford wrote: »

No I'm undecided yet but I think Big Bucks at his best is better than anything Annie Power has shown us so far allowances or not.

It's the duel of the meeting if she's in and a very intriguing race, tactics will play a big part. Switch jockeys and I'd like BB chances a lot more.

No doubt about that.

I think Annie Power could improve another 10lbs, she just travels so easy it's very hard to assess how good she is. She is the Caster Semenya of horse racing and I think giving her 7lbs is plain unfair.

Ruby is the key for me, he will have a few scenarios in his head and no doubt they all involve not being next or near BB when making his move. Sam probably only has one option and that is to use the Cadoudal engine make it a real stamina test, I feel for the guy he will get dogs abuse if BB is beaten.

That said I fear we have seen the best of BB, I just hope he does himself justice.

hucklebuck

One thing about Zarkandar is he is a far better animal than anything in the Cleeve that was close enough to see what size shoes Big Bucks had on and Annie Power was cantering all over him albeit over a shorter trip, but the boggy ground has to be factored in.

If Annie does not run I would be tempted by Holywell at 50/1 NRNB, naturally he will be blinkered. Actually thinking of backing him in every race he is entered at NRNB before the price of one of them collapses overnight.

ste2010

hucklebuck wrote: »

One thing about Zarkandar is he is a far better animal than anything in the Cleeve that was close enough to see what size shoes Big Bucks had on and Annie Power was cantering all over him albeit over a shorter trip, but the boggy ground has to be factored in.

If Annie does not run I would be tempted by Holywell at 50/1 NRNB, naturally he will be blinkered. Actually thinking of backing him in every race he is entered at NRNB before the price of one of them collapses overnight.

I know this is getting off topic. I reckon he'll prob run on the first handicap on the Tuesday and burton port will prob run in the Kim muir

Harry Angstrom

Ruby Walsh V Sam Twiston Davies?

No contest. Ruby could ride rings around him.

Factoring in the sex allowance for Annie, anybody would be mad to back BB against Annie Power.

RichieLawlor

How do we know Annie Power stays? She has so much speed it's hard to imagine she has bags of stamina aswell, not many do.

And before someone says she didn't look like stopping against Zarkandar over 2 and a half, I give you Oscar Whisky

mdwexford

Few of the Waterford panel were amazed Annie Power isn't going for the Champion. Russell reckoned she won't go to the festival at all.

Interesting point was made that if she isn't in the World Hurdle for whatever reason then Ruby doesn't seem to have a ride. Could he end up on Big Bucks then, surely aren't going to leave him sitting in the weighing room after winning it 4 times on him.