Very few foreign workers/residents in Northern Ireland

anynews14

I went shopping in Newry and Dundalk yesterday.
In Newry there were no foreign workers and almost no foreign residents.
In Dundalk there were loads of foreign workers and foreign teenagers.
Newry and Dundalk are only 15 miles apart and both are in EU.
Even the hospitals in the North hire nearly all Northern Irish nurses and doctors.
Why are there so many foreigners on the Irish side of the border and so few on the Northern side?

keith16

So what?

Boskowski

Is there a question in there somewhere?

coolbeans

Taking a leap into the dark here but I'd imagine he's asking why the difference.

lertsnim

anynews14 wrote: »

I went shopping in Newry and Dundalk yesterday.
In Newry there were no foreign workers and almost no foreign residents.
In Dundalk there were loads of foreign workers and foreign teenagers.
Newry and Dundalk are only 15 miles apart and both are in EU.

Any other observations you would like to make?

orangesoda

There has been numerous eastern europeans since 2003 or so, my uncle employs alot of them and you just have to go to a lidl srore to see how many there are, very attractive ladies too

Sir Humphrey Appleby

anynews14 wrote: »

I went shopping in Newry and Dundalk yesterday.
In Newry there were no foreign workers and almost no foreign residents.
In Dundalk there were loads of foreign workers and foreign teenagers.
Newry and Dundalk are only 15 miles apart and both are in EU.

The Mace beside my business has three foreign workers.
The Tesco Express on the same street has none.
They are only 40 seconds away from each other and both are in Ireland and the EU!:eek:

The King of Moo

They don't give them free prams up there Joe.

kneemos

It's a conundrum wrapped in a mystery.

The_Kew_Tour

I hear your're a racist now Newry!

Davarus Walrus

I wouldn't live there either to be honest.

orangesoda

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I wouldn't live there either to be honest.

Well you're lot have no problem with living in the other regions of the united kingdom

kneemos

orangesoda wrote: »

Well you're lot have no problem with living in the other regions of the united kingdom

Don't have a problem with the UK,just the north.

cml387

Official answer: Because the UK had different rules to immigration from new EU states up to this year.

orangesoda

kneemos wrote: »

Don't have a problem with the UK,just the north.

Cavan and monaghan? We aren't your north

kneemos

orangesoda wrote: »

Cavan and monaghan? We aren't your north

Stop voting SF then.

Stavros Murphy

orangesoda wrote: »

Well you're lot have no problem with living in the other regions of the united kingdom

Which lots that?

orangesoda

kneemos wrote: »

Stop voting SF then.

Don't worry i don't

Seamus1964

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I hear your're a racist now Newry!

Fecking Greeks, coming over here, taking our jobs and our women..

spurious

This is like wandering into a room with three radios all playing different talk shows.

Gatling

Basically you know the two bunch of religious nut jobs ie who just can't Live side by side ,
Well they dont want anybody else living there ,
Not Irish ,not British ,not from anywhere else either


Hardly the most welcoming place in the world

The Backwards Man

One is half an hour away from Dublin.

The other is the dark side of the moon away from London.

MadsL

Yeah, I can't think why immigrants don't choose to live in NI.

Oh wait...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/belfast-mob-threatened-to-kill-romanian-children-1707891.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/01/18/Homes-of-Polish-immigrants-attacked-in-Belfast-No-Ireland/UPI-63811390025938/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-17604977

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/arson-attack-on-immigrants-home-was-racist-28740649.html

orangesoda

MadsL wrote: »

Yeah, I can't think why immigrants don't choose to live in NI.

Oh wait...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/belfast-mob-threatened-to-kill-romanian-children-1707891.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/01/18/Homes-of-Polish-immigrants-attacked-in-Belfast-No-Ireland/UPI-63811390025938/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-17604977

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/arson-attack-on-immigrants-home-was-racist-28740649.html

Not all of Northern Ireland is like Belfast you know, where i live in Mid-Ulster nothing like that goes on

For Forks Sake

orangesoda wrote: »

Not all of Northern Ireland is like Belfast you know, where i live in Mid-Ulster nothing like that goes on

http://www.midulstermail.co.uk/news/local-news/man-refused-bail-over-alleged-racist-attacks-in-dungannon-1-5502895

http://www.irr.org.uk/news/an-assessment-of-racial-violence-in-northern-ireland/

18 September 2013: At the trial of Gary Smyth, Lithuanian residents in Dungannon, County Tyrone, expressed their terror stemming from repeated attacks on their homes. Smyth (30), faced charges of criminal damage, disorderly behaviour, attempted intimidation and threats to kill. Testifying at the High Court in Belfast, the Lithuanian residents told how paint was thrown over three of their cars, a brick was thrown through the front window of a home, and a swastika was daubed on the garage door alongside racist graffiti declaring ‘non-nationals must go’.

18 August 2013: A number of cars, a wall and a flat were daubed in racist graffiti in the Loyalist Coolcush Court and Lisnaclin Court areas of Dungannon. Inspector Jamieson of the PSNI, treating the incident as a hate crime, condemned the attack and appealed for witnesses,

orangesoda

For Forks Sake wrote: »

http://www.midulstermail.co.uk/news/local-news/man-refused-bail-over-alleged-racist-attacks-in-dungannon-1-5502895

http://www.irr.org.uk/news/an-assessment-of-racial-violence-in-northern-ireland/

Fair enough, i didn't hear about that, surely everything hasn't been complete roses and sunshine for them across the border either? Over the last 10 years i have heard very little negative things happening them, in some cases it has actually been them causing the bother

donegal__road

violence and intimidation aside, if you work for a couple of years in the South and pay stamps, if and when you are made redundant, then the dole + benefits in the south are more than double what they are in the North. I'd imagine that has a lot to do with it.

Hootanany

And in the North they wouldn't be the most attractive people.

orangesoda

Hootanany wrote: »

And in the North they wouldn't be the most attractive people.

Can i ask you to elaborate on that comment?

ClovenHoof

Newry is a dump. Northern Ireland is a sectarian rat hole. We do not have that down here. They prefer to live in a country where your religion does not determine your level of humanity depending on which neighbourhood you find yourself in. I'd move down south too.

Hootanany

orangesoda wrote: »

Can i ask you to elaborate on that comment?

Speaks for it self.

Darkglasses

MadsL wrote: »

Yeah, I can't think why immigrants don't choose to live in NI.

Oh wait...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/belfast-mob-threatened-to-kill-romanian-children-1707891.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/01/18/Homes-of-Polish-immigrants-attacked-in-Belfast-No-Ireland/UPI-63811390025938/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-17604977

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/arson-attack-on-immigrants-home-was-racist-28740649.html

orangesoda wrote: »

Not all of Northern Ireland is like Belfast you know, where i live in Mid-Ulster nothing like that goes on

You're right orangesoda, but these kinds of stories have a big effect on the perception of all of NI.

Pretty much from the first day I moved to Belfast, I noticed there were far, far less Eastern Europeans around compared to my hometown Wexford. I asked a few of my Polish friends why this might be, and rightly or wrongly there is the perception among the Polish community that the North isn't safe for them.

Obvious disclaimers - Yes, I know NI and indeed Belfast is a very safe place to live. I have had zero trouble since I moved here, probably safer than Wexford. And yes, I haven't spoken to EVERY Polish person. I am just speaking from my limited experience, and what my Polish friends have told me.

orangesoda

Darkglasses wrote: »

You're right orangesoda, but these kinds of stories have a big effect on the perception of all of NI.

Pretty much from the first day I moved to Belfast, I noticed there were far, far less Eastern Europeans around compared to my hometown Wexford. I asked a few of my Polish friends why this might be, and rightly or wrongly there is the perception among the Polish community that the North isn't safe for them.

Obvious disclaimers - Yes, I know NI and indeed Belfast is a very safe place to live. I have had zero trouble since I moved here, probably safer than Wexford. And yes, I haven't spoken to EVERY Polish person. I am just speaking from my limited experience, and what my Polish friends have told me.

Belfast is the roughest area here and even then it is only in certain areas, most other places are relativaly normal nowadays, in my old school there was polish pupils, american, asian, english and irish-african and never any problems, some people like to think it is some sort of satanic pit of evil up here

el pasco

cml387 wrote: »

Official answer: Because the UK had different rules to immigration from new EU states up to this year.

Can you clarify this please?

MadsL

orangesoda wrote: »

Fair enough, i didn't hear about that, surely everything hasn't been complete roses and sunshine for them across the border either? Over the last 10 years i have heard very little negative things happening them, in some cases it has actually been them causing the bother

Riiiiiiiight. Bit of true colours being shown there...

And people wonder why immigrants don't move to NI.

Pug160

I was always under the impression that there were quite a lot of foreign nationals everywhere (everywhere being the whole of Ireland, in case anyone makes a wise crack) these days. At least in the major towns anyway.

orangesoda

MadsL wrote: »

Riiiiiiiight. Bit of true colours being shown there...

And people wonder why immigrants don't move to NI.

What do you mean true colours? I'm just pointing out that they do bad things as well, about 6 years back a girl was raped in my village by a foreign national. You seem to have a deep hatred for Northern Ireland, i'm not sure why

Darkglasses

orangesoda wrote: »

Belfast is the roughest area here and even then it is only in certain areas, most other places are relativaly normal nowadays, in my old school there was polish pupils, american, asian, english and irish-african and never any problems, some people like to think it is some sort of satanic pit of evil up here

Honestly I really like living in Belfast, it's not perfect but personally I prefer it to Dublin (but not Wexford, that place was the best :cool:). But it only takes a small number of stories like what Madsl shared to sway perception of a place unfortunately.

Technically I live East of the Lagan, but it's more like South Belfast than what people would think of as proper East Belfast. Everywhere from where I live all the way to the city centre is very quiet and very safe, especially at night. There's plenty of non-Eastern European immigrants, there's probably more Chinese on my street than any other nationality. My main gripe with the place is how few shops are open after 6.00 or 7.00 pm...

Northern Monkey

orangesoda wrote: »

Not all of Northern Ireland is like Belfast you know, where i live in Mid-Ulster nothing like that goes on

What part of mid ulster? We could be neighbours.

Santa Cruz

anynews14 wrote: »

I went shopping in Newry and Dundalk yesterday.
In Newry there were no foreign workers and almost no foreign residents.
In Dundalk there were loads of foreign workers and foreign teenagers.
Newry and Dundalk are only 15 miles apart and both are in EU.
Even the hospitals in the North hire nearly all Northern Irish nurses and doctors.
Why are there so many foreigners on the Irish side of the border and so few on the Northern side?

They probably prefer the other parts of the United Kingdom.

orangesoda

Northern Monkey wrote: »

What part of mid ulster? We could be neighbours.

South derry, magherafelt region

Northern Monkey

orangesoda wrote: »

South derry, magherafelt region

Almost neighbours. I'm Maghera

ZeroThreat

This racist thread needs to be closed down by the mods.

Kiwi in IE

As a foreigner, NI is the very last place I would choose to live out of the UK and Ireland. If I wanted to live in the UK I would live on the mainland, and if I wanted to live in Ireland I'd live in the Republic.

MadsL

orangesoda wrote: »

What do you mean true colours? I'm just pointing out that they do bad things as well, about 6 years back a girl was raped in my village by a foreign national. You seem to have a deep hatred for Northern Ireland, i'm not sure why

So let me see. From your statements so far...

1. "in some cases it has actually been them causing the bother"
2. One of them is a rapist.

...and I am the one with "a deep hatred"?? Really not sure where you are pulling that from?

Who is 'them' and what is the 'bother' exactly?

anynews14

This is a topic that should be discussed not a blind eye turned.

ZeroThreat

anynews14 wrote: »

This is a topic that should be discussed not a blind eye turned.

N.I. & R.o.I are like chalk & cheese, like comparing Russia with the US, ie. very hard to do.

Pug160

Data from the WRS reveals that, relative to the rest of the UK, Northern Ireland has
received a disproportionate number of A8 migrants. Between May 2004 and March
2011, Northern Ireland had 25 per cent more A8 citizens registering with the WRS on a
per capita basis, than the UK as a whole. This is one measure of the relative scale of
A8 migration to Northern Ireland.
During the above period, over half (55.2%) of the 42,525 registrations were from
Poland, followed by Lithuania (18.8%) and Slovakia (13.3%). Nearly two-thirds (62%)
were male and just over three-quarters (77%) were aged 18 – 34 years. This tends to
confirm other sources, which indicate that A8 nationals migrate to Northern Ireland,
mainly for work but also for family reasons.

http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/Documents/RaISe/Publications/2012/general/3112.pdf

dundalkfc10

Hootanany wrote: »

And in the North they wouldn't be the most attractive people.

Northern women are twice as good looking as Girls from the Republic

MadsL

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Northern women are twice as good looking as Girls from the Republic

I too prefer women to girls.

Kiwi in IE

orangesoda wrote: »

What do you mean true colours? I'm just pointing out that they do bad things as well, about 6 years back a girl was raped in my village by a foreign national. You seem to have a deep hatred for Northern Ireland, i'm not sure why

Really? Wow! About 6 years ago? And there have been no rapes in NI in the proceding 6 years that were perpetrated by NI nationals?