blue smoke

blue power

I have noticed recently my new holland ts 115 is putting out a fairly excessive amount of blue smoke,any one ny ideas what the cause may be?

Reggie.

blue power wrote: »

I have noticed recently my new holland ts 115 is putting out a fairly excessive amount of blue smoke,any one ny ideas what the cause may be?

Did you refill the diesel recently?

Mad4simmental

Your burning oil San,

Reggie.

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Your burning oil San,

Was thinking that or it could be the injectors either but sometimes diesel with water in it can bring on the smoke for a while too.

Mad4simmental

General rule is blue smoke is oil burning.
White smoke could be moisture in the diesel or bad injector or worse still the head on its way out. Allot of black smoke can be bad combustion wrong fuel air mix. To be honist blue is the bad one.

Reggie.

Mad4simmental wrote: »

General rule is blue smoke is oil burning.
White smoke could be moisture in the diesel or bad injector or worse still the head on its way out. Allot of black smoke can be bad combustion wrong fuel air mix. To be honist blue is the bad one.

Oil getting up around the pistons

Zr105

What sort of work has it been doing lately? If a lot of ticking over and tootling about the bores could have become a bit glazed...

blue power

was on to my mechanic about it,he reckons the rings are starting to go,any ideas wat sort €€€ dis job should cost?

blue power

Zr105 wrote: »

What sort of work has it been doing lately? If a lot of ticking over and tootling about the bores could have become a bit glazed...

been drawing dung the last couple of weeks so shouldnt tink that would be the cause

Mad4simmental

Reggie. wrote: »

Oil getting up around the pistons

Yep, worne rings or damaged sleeves, if it's not to bad putting in thicker oil may buy sum time but that's all itl do.

Reggie.

blue power wrote: »

was on to my mechanic about it,he reckons the rings are starting to go,any ideas wat sort €€€ dis job should cost?

You would be better off doing the whole engine as it's going to be torn apart anyways. I remember the kit for my engine from Perkins was 3k parts only. The kit had everything for the engine that had was perishable, gaskets, pistons, rings and the like. Your better off doing this no sooner would ya have the rings fixed that something else would go on ya.

I wouldn't worry about it till it starts losing power or starts to drink a lot of oil, well that's the case for the Perkins engines not sure on the ford ones tho.

Reggie.

Mad4simmental wrote: »

Yep, worne rings or damaged sleeves, if it's not to bad putting in thicker oil may buy sum time but that's all itl do.

Yeah I did that. Used long drain oil that's for lorries slowed up the burning for a while but it's only a stop gap I'm afraid

Zr105

blue power wrote: »

been drawing dung the last couple of weeks so shouldnt tink that would be the cause

sounds like your mechanic could be on the money then no idea what sort of money, to be honest....

blue power

Reggie. wrote: »

You would be better off doing the whole engine as it's going to be torn apart anyways. I remember the kit for my engine from Perkins was 3k parts only. The kit had everything for the engine that had was perishable, gaskets, pistons, rings and the like. Your better off doing this no sooner would ya have the rings fixed that something else would go on ya.

I wouldn't worry about it till it starts losing power or starts to drink a lot of oil, well that's the case for the Perkins engines not sure on the ford ones tho.

it prob would be wise to do the whole alright,but this tractor is due to go in summer so dont want to put anymore than i have to into it,only major work left for it to do is 200 acres spring drilling so think new rings will do

Reggie.

blue power wrote: »

it prob would be wise to do the whole alright,but this tractor is due to go in summer so dont want to put anymore than i have to into it,only major work left for it to do is 200 acres spring drilling so think new rings will do

Sure put in long drain oil and that should get you through till you get rid of her if that's your intention

blue power

Reggie. wrote: »

Sure put in long drain oil and that should get you through till you get rid of her if that's your intention

yep seems like cheapest way out of it,but long drain oil have any negative effects on the engine?

Reggie.

blue power wrote: »

yep seems like cheapest way out of it,but long drain oil have any negative effects on the engine?

Nope just a thicker oil so it's harder to get up around the pistons but it will get up is the thing. Oil is more expensive as a result

milltown

Get your mechanic to do a dry vs. wet compression check to confirm that it's the rings first. You might be lucky enough that it's just valve stem seals, which would only be a fraction of the cost and the work.

Bactidiaryl

blue power wrote: »

it prob would be wise to do the whole alright,but this tractor is due to go in summer so dont want to put anymore than i have to into it,only major work left for it to do is 200 acres spring drilling so think new rings will do

Note to self. Must not buy TS 115 this year.

Reggie.

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Note to self. Must not buy TS 115 this year.

Ha, never thought of that

djmc

It could be just the turbo on the way out not too hard to replace if it is

onyerbikepat

List of causes here;
http://www.dieselsmoke.com.au/

f140

is it constant then or is it only just on start up and then goes away after 10 or 15 minutes

blue power

noit started as an odd puff when she was cold,has become a constant thing lately though

Cogsy88

Get some Lucas stop leak or bardhal no smoke.

Man of Aran

Crankcase breather system should be checked too before assuming the worst.
Hope it works out to be an economical repair.

Mickey H

blue power wrote: »

was on to my mechanic about it,he reckons the rings are starting to go,any ideas wat sort €€€ dis job should cost?

If the engine is on the way out, budget for €500 per pot. Be prepared to add more. Don't jump to conclusions though. Look at the suggestions on this thread. It might not necessarily be broken rings. Could be something more "minor".

If it is indeed the engine, investigate cost of reconditioned units aswell as parts to rebuild.

f140

what hours are up on her. I would chance driving her on anyway if you were getting rid in a few months.

blue power

9000 hrs on her, gave very little bother up to this, mechanic due to look at it this week so see what he diagnoses it as and try make a decision from there

Reggie.

blue power wrote: »

9000 hrs on her, gave very little bother up to this, mechanic due to look at it this week so see what he diagnoses it as and try make a decision from there

Hardly gone porous on you I think the ford engines do that around 5000 hrs but don't know if the newer ones do it (more than likely they cured it). Let us know how ya get on

blue power

Reggie. wrote: »

Hardly gone porous on you I think the ford engines do that around 5000 hrs but don't know if the newer ones do it (more than likely they cured it). Let us know how ya get on

Often heard of the10 series fords been prone to gone porous alright,think this problem was cured long before the ts series came on the seen

Reggie.

blue power wrote: »

Often heard of the10 series fords been prone to gone porous alright,think this problem was cured long before the ts series came on the seen

The 40 series was prone to it too as they were one of the earliest new Hollands I think, the later new holland engines were changed for the better

blue power

Mickey H wrote: »

If the engine is on the way out, budget for €500 per pot. Be prepared to add more. Don't jump to conclusions though. Look at the suggestions on this thread. It might not necessarily be broken rings. Could be something more "minor".

If it is indeed the engine, investigate cost of reconditioned units aswell as parts to rebuild.

hopefully its not,dont tink im prepared to spend 3k on her,maybe its time to offload

blue power

Reggie. wrote: »

The 40 series was prone to it too as they were one of the earliest new Hollands I think, the later new holland engines were changed for the better

first i heard of that quite a few 40 series machines locally and never heard of that particular problem occuring,there was a 66 and 7840 at home for a good few years both absolutely superb tractors spanner never put to either

Reggie.

blue power wrote: »

first i heard of that quite a few 40 series machines locally and never heard of that particular problem occuring,there was a 66 and 7840 at home for a good few years both absolutely superb tractors spanner never put to either

Heard of a few but they were the earlier white roof ones

mayota

Never heard of a Powerstar going porous.

Reggie.

mayota wrote: »

Never heard of a Powerstar going porous.

I remember as she was in for the gearbox as well and the white roof 40 series had some sort of an issue with its gearbox. Can't remember if it was the SL or Or the other one, memory ain't what it was