Salazar vs Schumacher

ecoli

Following on from the apparent scenes from the US indoors last night got me thinking.

Are these sort of incidents an embarrassment to the sport (their is always a perception that the sport is slightly more civilized than that)

or

Is this sort of passion and rivalry a good thing for the sport?

(The attempts to get athletes DQ'ed aside)

TFBubendorfer

When two grumpy old geezers start fighting at the sideline like that, it can only be embarrassing.

ecoli

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

When two grumpy old geezers start fighting at the sideline like that, it can only be embarrassing.

Drummed up a bit of interest with these guys

drquirky

ecoli wrote: »

Following on from the apparent scenes from the US indoors last night got me thinking.

Are these sort of incidents an embarrassment to the sport (their is always a perception that the sport is slightly more civilized than that)

or

Is this sort of passion and rivalry a good thing for the sport?

(The attempts to get athletes DQ'ed aside)

This is more a complete embarrassment to Nike/ Salazar. TBH I'd have been a huge Hasay fan before this nonsense but will really struggle to cheer for her now. So corrupt at USATF. Nike owns T and F in America. Watch the tape- no foul whatsoever- Hasay/ Salazar should be ashamed.

pconn062

drquirky wrote: »

This is more a complete embarrassment to Nike/ Salazar. TBH I'd have been a huge Hasay fan before this nonsense but will really struggle to cheer for her now. So corrupt at USATF. Nike owns T and F in America. Watch the tape- no foul whatsoever- Hasay/ Salazar should be ashamed.

What exactly happened with the Hasay situation? I've heard a bit about the Salazar/Schumacher one, but can't figure out what happened with Hasay.

ecoli

pconn062 wrote: »

What exactly happened with the Hasay situation? I've heard a bit about the Salazar/Schumacher one, but can't figure out what happened with Hasay.

Grunewald ran a fairly terrible race, clipped Hasay trying to get around her (Hasay looked like she lost momentum) and did similar with Rowbury about 50m later (though not to same extent) so Salazar lodged an appeal which was denied twice then third time round looks like she being DQ

I feel that if anyone would feel hard done by it would be Rowbury not Hasay despite there being less contact.

@DrQ I would look at Salazar more than Hasay regarding this as Jordan has been very quiet on the matter so hard to tell how much of this is her rather than Salazar (having 2 of his A listers not winning and Hasay not making the team (or in fact the podium) given the complaints about the group being overhyped time trialers this season and not doing it at championships*)

*Not my opinions but rather some general US public opinions I have seen on social media over the last few weeks

Letyourselfgo

http://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&mgroup_event_id=25&do=videos&video_id=105467

10:10 in and nothing happens

drquirky

ecoli wrote: »

Grunewald ran a fairly terrible race, clipped Hasay trying to get around her (Hasay looked like she lost momentum) and did similar with Rowbury about 50m later (though not to same extent) so Salazar lodged an appeal which was denied twice then third time round looks like she being DQ

I feel that if anyone would feel hard done by it would be Rowbury not Hasay despite there being less contact.

@DrQ I would look at Salazar more than Hasay regarding this as Jordan has been very quiet on the matter so hard to tell how much of this is her rather than Salazar (having 2 of his A listers not winning and Hasay not making the team (or in fact the podium) given the complaints about the group being overhyped time trialers this season and not doing it at championships*)

*Not my opinions but rather some general US public opinions I have seen on social media over the last few weeks

Yeah agree with much of what you're saying Ecoli but while Grunewald's race was choppy - these are professional athletes, they need to suck it up and accept that the fastest woman won. Salazar is and has always been a complete head case- he seems to have drifted into even crazier territory lately and needs to maybe take a few thyroid pills to manage his moods.

The Nike control of USATF needs to be stopped and we are starting to see the battle lines being drawn here- Symmonds has a book coming out in June that is apparently gonna hammer Nike and the way they behave in USA athletics- should be interesting…..

rom

Kara Goucher - Remember watching an interview where she came up short in a race and she all she could say was "Alberto will be so angry" - she was nearly crying saying it. No wonder she moved to Schumacher. Salazar is clearly a bully.

rom

http://www.letsrun.com/splash-page/will-leer-speaks/

TFBubendorfer

Letyourselfgo wrote: »

http://www.usatf.tv/gprofile.php?mgroup_id=45365&mgroup_event_id=25&do=videos&video_id=105467

10:10 in and nothing happens

She clearly clips Hasay from behind and causes her to stumble. How can that be regarded as nothing happens?

She clearly was the better runner that day and completely left them for dead at the end, and for that reason alone I wouldn't have lodged a protest against her, but "nothing happens" isn't how I would describe the scene.

Letyourselfgo

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

She clearly clips Hasay from behind and causes her to stumble. How can that be regarded as nothing happens?

She clearly was the better runner that day and completely left them for dead at the end, and for that reason alone I wouldn't have lodged a protest against her, but "nothing happens" isn't how I would describe the scene.

Ok, I'll go with very little happens.

pconn062

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

She clearly clips Hasay from behind and causes her to stumble. How can that be regarded as nothing happens?

She clearly was the better runner that day and completely left them for dead at the end, and for that reason alone I wouldn't have lodged a protest against her, but "nothing happens" isn't how I would describe the scene.

It's a track race, people get clipped, people get spiked and people stumble and fall over. Raising a complaint about it is pathetic, anyone else but Salazar would have been laughed out of it.

drquirky

pconn062 wrote: »

It's a track race, people get clipped, people get spiked and people stumble and fall over. Raising a complaint about it is pathetic, anyone else but Salazar would have been laughed out of it.

Not even just a track race- it's an indoor one. Not sure if you've raced indoors TB but it's pretty damn tight and incidental contact is part of the deal.

TFBubendorfer

drquirky wrote: »

Not even just a track race- it's an indoor one. Not sure if you've raced indoors TB but it's pretty damn tight and incidental contact is part of the deal.

No, I've never raced indoors and in all likelihood never will.

Ok, so people do get tripped rather easily in such a confined space. Like I said, I think her win should be accepted because she clearly was the best runner that day and Salazar is an embarrassment.

Nike isn't coming out very well out of all this. The LR board are definitely blaming them for running the USATF as their own little toy.

pconn062

Justice?

http://www.usatf.org/News/83.aspx

drquirky

Beat me to it Pconn . Looks like Nike couldn't handle the pr fall out. Nice to see the winner headed to worlds though!

pconn062

drquirky wrote: »

Beat me to it Pconn . Looks like Nike couldn't handle the pr fall out. Nice to see the winner headed to worlds though!

Ha, just happened to log onto twitter at the right time! Agree, nice to see a positive outcome.

nerraw1111

Just catching up with the whole debacle. Only got through the letsrun pieces 5 mins ago. I feel cheated. Didn't even have time for 5 mins of righteous anger!

tomdempsey200

hopefully letsrun settles down soon