stove brands..

jo06555

Hi im getting a stove put in for my mother she lives in 2 story small house and her house is not getting enough heat from gas so I taught a stove would heat up the room nicely for her, see alot of brands on sale .. but iv being told by a stanley seller to stay away from chinese imports??? I also see some stoves selling alot cheaper like kells 6kw stove for 350 , can I get some advice on really is their much difference in these brands? Thanks

Whacker paddy

If I was you I would get the Stanley Oisin. Great little stove and sounds ideal for what you are looking for. I don't know much about any other brand as I have always had Stanley and find them great, both in value and efficiency.

The Master.

I have a FIREWARM stove. being the first stove ive ever had my experience is limited but its a 4 KW which i think is too small for the room we have and i feel im constantly filling it, should have got a bigger one.

Other things i had problems with was getting someone to fit it which cost more than the stove itself. the guy who put it in first did a smoke test where he lit a smoke bomb in it to test it and saw it coming out the chimney so was happy enough but the chimney was actually blocked to bits and we got smoked out of the house first couple of times we lit it.
Phoned him up and he said it was just the coating burning off from the inside of the stove and it'll pass, didnt pass, got second opinion and the chimney cleared and a third guy to adjust the stove and swap out a pipe for a different one and now it works fine.

so the price doesnt end with just buying the stove.

Make sure you get one to suit the size of room.

And dont forget to get your chimney cleared.

jo06555

The Master. wrote: »

I have a FIREWARM stove. being the first stove ive ever had my experience is limited but its a 4 KW which i think is too small for the room we have and i feel im constantly filling it, should have got a bigger one.

Other things i had problems with was getting someone to fit it which cost more than the stove itself. the guy who put it in first did a smoke test where he lit a smoke bomb in it to test it and saw it coming out the chimney so was happy enough but the chimney was actually blocked to bits and we got smoked out of the house first couple of times we lit it.
Phoned him up and he said it was just the coating burning off from the inside of the stove and it'll pass, didnt pass, got second opinion and the chimney cleared and a third guy to adjust the stove and swap out a pipe for a different one and now it works fine.

so the price doesnt end with just buying the stove.

Make sure you get one to suit the size of room.

And dont forget to get your chimney cleared.

OK thanks , i was talking to a man about fitting it he told me around 150 for fittings and flue pipe and around 150 to fit it.... il need to get chimney cleaned too which will probably cost another 50-100??? hmmm it does add up dont it ,
Paddy i was looking at the stanley oisin for 450 in a local dealer in waterford , would it give good heat even if door of room was open yes? i suppose the cheaper the stove the less reliable? thanks again for reply.

Tim the Enchanter

jo06555 wrote: »

Hi im getting a stove put in for my mother she lives in 2 story small house and her house is not getting enough heat from gas so I taught a stove would heat up the room nicely for her, see alot of brands on sale .. but iv being told by a stanley seller to stay away from chinese imports??? I also see some stoves selling alot cheaper like kells 6kw stove for 350 , can I get some advice on really is their much difference in these brands? Thanks[/]

In fairness that stanley rep would tell you that. Did he tell you stanleys are also cast outside ireland, albeit assembled here.

jo06555

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jo06555

In fairness that stanley rep would tell you that. Did he tell you stanleys are also cast outside ireland, albeit assembled here.[/QUOTE]

No they didnt but her selling point was based on stanleys reliabilty to get parts if i need them unlike the 399 euro (in her words chinese model) that was beside the stanley i dont mind paying the extra but if there is no difference in the stoves the money is better in my pocket especially with the fitting still to pay .

TPM

dont get me wrong here, I do think stanley are good stoves but they are living off the reputation of their older stoves which are superior to their current ones. and in some cases i think they can be a bit over priced compared to similar sized stoves.

There are alot of stoves on the market and it can be hard to choose one thar fits your needs let alone trying to weed out the ones to stay clear of.
if you see a stove you like you could always ring a supplier and ask for a price/availability for a replacement glass or fire bricks even before you price the stove.

personally I know you can get parts for stanley, boru, mulberry. henley

another thing to check out is the length of the warranty and what it covers
normally wont cover glass, fire bricks, grate. some stoves offer 5/6 years on the stove carcus

Whacker paddy

The Oisin throws out over 6kw of heat so if you open room doors you will certainly get some heat spreading out. Of course this all depends on room size, insulation etc. check online for kW to room size. I used this when buying and found it very accurate. As "the master" said in earlier post correct fitting is vital, regardless of brand of stove bought.

jo06555

Ok thanks , I am going out to heiton and buckley today to have a look , my local building providers just finished a sale on stoves 2 weeks ago ! Great timing ah well il see what I can get for best price too the oisin is probably no 1 at moment unless I find similar cheaper around ..

TANGLEWOOD

Hi,

I was looking at the Henley Achill or Stanley Cara cassette stoves. I am a little confused as I was told I would have to get my chimney relined if I purchased the Stanley but no need to have it relined if I got the Henley. The chimney is circa 1976. Anyone any ideas?

Robbie.G

You don't nesasarily need to reline your chimney for either stove.
You only need to line chimney if your chimney is a unlined brick built chimney or if your current clay liners are in a bad state and they fail a smoke test.
On the other hand if you reline your chimney it should be with a 150mm liner suitable for solid fuel stoves it will make your flue more efficient and create a better draw and less chance of tar building up in the flue.

TANGLEWOOD

Thanks Robbie.

So it was just a sales pitch just buy Henley over Stanley. I was also told that Stanley is not EU compliant???!!!!

Robbie.G

I'm not to sure about that.Were you told in what way was it not compliant.
They are practicly the same stove.I personally have the stanley and I think its fantastic the reason I went for stanley was that I fitted around 50 in LA houses and didn't have a bother with any and all tenant delighted with them.

TANGLEWOOD

I have no idea why they say Stanley is not compliant and they are saying the chimney needs to be reclined with Stanley and not Henley. Both stoves are good stoves. Was just confused why I was being told the above.

Robbie.G

http://www.waterfordstanley.com/media/200790/carainsertmanual.pdf
Here's the manual for the stanley and there's def nothing about having to reline chimney.

TANGLEWOOD

Thanks Robbie for all your help.

Robbie.G

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=BE219DD38ACE60B4!204&authkey=!AIQnWrBwmwMYaO0&v=3&ithint=photo%2c.jpg
Here's mine in action

TANGLEWOOD

Wow. That looks lovely and cosy. Thanks.

Galego

TANGLEWOOD wrote: »

Hi,

I was looking at the Henley Achill or Stanley Cara cassette stoves. I am a little confused as I was told I would have to get my chimney relined if I purchased the Stanley but no need to have it relined if I got the Henley. The chimney is circa 1976. Anyone any ideas?

Which one did you go for at the end?

TANGLEWOOD

Still deciding. Very little difference between them. Still trying to find out why chimney needs to be relined with Stanley only. As I would think the chimney is either ok or needs to be relined whatever stove is put in!!!

Galego

TANGLEWOOD wrote: »

Still deciding. Very little difference between them. Still trying to find out why chimney needs to be relined with Stanley only. As I would think the chimney is either ok or needs to be relined whatever stove is put in!!!

If the chimmey needs to be relined it would be for either stove.

I am also on the same boat. Deciding between the two. I am leaning towards the Achill at the mo as I dislike the Stanley silver label on top of the glass door. I personally find it tacky.

It is important to note also that the Achill is DEFRA approved.

TANGLEWOOD

Henley have a good reputation. Good luck with your choice. Anyone that I know who has installed either a henley or stanley are delighted with them.

jameshayes

jo06555 wrote: »

but iv being told by a stanley seller to stay away from chinese imports???

sorry to bring this old post back up - but this is really funny considering stanley stoves are now manufactured in asia. They are only assembled in Ireland.

on another note; I have the oisin and love it, it was the most suitable and best fit for my room.

legrand

I ended up with a (6kw) Stovax Brunel 2CB after maybe 3 months of research and pricing.


Review site here http://www.whatstove.co.uk/

Also mega thread here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056390351

Look out for a poster call Stove Fan who was an expert contributor (I believe he moved away from Ireland and not longer contributes). His last post here with some tips..
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81452524&postcount=1604

monkeynuz

It always makes me chuckle on these sorts of threads because in one breath the person wants good quality and "the best" then in another breath they are always looking for the cheapest lol.

Our stove was made in the uk with uk castings and cost €1600 money well spent and it's only 8kw but good quality.

TMC99

Robbie.G wrote: »

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=BE219DD38ACE60B4!204&authkey=!AIQnWrBwmwMYaO0&v=3&ithint=photo%2c.jpg
Here's mine in action

Hi Robbie,
I have a very similar fireplace - had you to get an adaptor to make a 'seal' between the stove and the arch ? On mine I have a convex section at the top of the arch (like a hood) that sticks out - I guess I would have to remove it or get a new plate for the fireplace ?

monkeynuz

Are you fitting an inset stove?

Callanutd

Throwing my 2 cents in. We have our stove in just over a year now, we went with the Blacksmith Anvil model its 6kw. Its one of the best purchases I have made for the house. At the time we were torn between this and the Stanley Oisin. The Blacksmith was €50 more but we just felt that it was a better fit, looks wise, with our living room. The salesman (Connollys in Balgnalstown, Carlow) told me that there is very little difference between the two and didn't push either on us.
I am delighted with our choice. We have quite a large living room with double doors through to a large kitchen. While you wont be hot in the Kitchen it does keep both rooms at a nice temperature once the doors are open. My one tip though is use good quality fuel. Seasoned wood is a must, its of no use to you or your stove throwing in wet or damp logs.

Robbie.G

TMC99 wrote: »

Hi Robbie,
I have a very similar fireplace - had you to get an adaptor to make a 'seal' between the stove and the arch ? On mine I have a convex section at the top of the arch (like a hood) that sticks out - I guess I would have to remove it or get a new plate for the fireplace ?

Yes if your going for an insert stove the hood needs to be removed.You can get plain inserts for the fireplace the would replace the whole lot.
Also a stove is not suitable if the fire surround is timber.

monkeynuz

Robbie.G wrote: »

Yes if your going for an insert stove the hood needs to be removed.You can get plain inserts for the fireplace the would replace the whole lot.
Also a stove is not suitable if the fire surround is timber.

I think you can have a timber fire surround as long as the minimum clearance distances are observed

monkeynuz

TMC are you fitting an insert stove?

Robbie.G

monkeynuz wrote: »

I think you can have a timber fire surround as long as the minimum clearance distances are observed

That's right but in most cases you end up replacing timber as distance to combustibles are normally 300mm to each side and 500 to the top

TMC99

monkeynuz wrote: »

TMC are you fitting an insert stove?

Yes, will be in near future.