Who do you think will die in Winds of Winter **UP TO DATE READERS ONLY. SPOILERS**

TheIrishGrover

The books are pretty much down to their minimal character list by the end of A Dance With Dragons: Ned, Rob, Joff, Tywin, Catelyn (kinda), Jon (Kinda). All pushing up daisys.

Who do you think will be the next BIG death?* Arya, Sansa, Dany, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Cercie, Aegon, Jaime..........

Personally I think it's going to be one of the dragons. Probably Drogon. I know that may not seem to be a big death but now they're fully grown and Dany's finally FINALLY ready to get her ar5e in gear and off to Westeros with her dragons, her unsullied and probably a huge Kahlisar (sp). The connection between Dany and Drogon would be built up and built up and he'll probably be killed as they are about to leave.

I mean EVERYONE will be brown bread by the end (Although I've a feeling that Varys will be the last one alive and you'll see him bowinfg to the next person to sit on the Iron Throne). But who do you think is next.


*The whole Iron Islands/Greyjoys clan can ALL die for all I care. Never liked that storyline. But that's another thing.

Sleepy

I reckon Ser Barristan will be lucky to survive TWOW which is a shame because he's one of my favourites.

Tommen, Myrcella or both would be doing well to survive too.

Aegon I'm hoping will survive to be killed in the next book. After the whole Quentyn Martell storyline, another prince arriving to be hastily dispatched would irritate me a little (though I have read some crackpot theories that Quentyn is still alive and that it was one of his side-kicks who died in his place).

December2012

It had better not be Littlefinger. I want him there until (almost) the very end.

Turtyturd

I have read that theory too...that the

tattered prince

died in his place. I don't buy into it.

Not sure about Drogon either...the dragons have been hyped up from the start and for Drogon to be taken out before Dany gets to Westeros would be a let down for me personally. Although that sort of thing would be right up Martins street.

Dunno if it will be the next death or even in the next book but I think Jamie will kick it...most likely in a final heroic moment where he also takes out Cersei, as the books talks a lot of them coming into the world together, and how they are meant to be together. So having them go out together would make sense.

I think Stannis will die, although I would like to see him as Lord Commander of the Nights Watch. Having him at the wall would have been a nice get out for him if the war looked lost but it would have went against his character, who would lose a head rather than denounce his claim.

The death I most want to see is Theon's....his redemption storyline has irked me.

Sleepy

I don't buy it either.

Drogon being killed seems higly unlikely. One of the other dragons might be more likely but much is made of the Targaryen Dragon having 3 heads...

I can't see Jaime dying any time soon tbh. His redemption arc is barely started... He may go out in the final battle but something tells me he'll finish the books as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.

I'd happily see every Iron Islander wiped out. They bore me to tears.

Turtyturd

Victorian doesn't bother me too much..and I think him getting control of one of the dragons would be more interesting than killing one off.

I know Jamie's redemption has a long way to go but for me the ultimate moment would be him slaying Cersei as she orders Kings Landing burned to the ground, while Danys' army sac the city. A complete 180 from his original oath breaking.

TheIrishGrover

Sleepy wrote: »

I don't buy it either.

Drogon being killed seems higly unlikely. One of the other dragons might be more likely but much is made of the Targaryen Dragon having 3 heads...

That's assuming that the dragon heads are dragon heads and not meaning something like 1: Her khalasar 2: Her Unsullied and 3: The Iron Fleet which she'll take control of blah blah blah. I doubt that's what that means but thought I'd throw out the half-baked theory.

I can't see Jaime dying any time soon tbh. His redemption arc is barely started... He may go out in the final battle but something tells me he'll finish the books as Lord Commander of the Kingsguard.

That's true. I'm assuming it's Jamie who kills Cercie (Although that would probably be too obvious)

I'd happily see every Iron Islander wiped out. They bore me to tears.

God I can't stand them. Damphair and yer man's manky hand and nuncle and stealing Dany for himself and on and on and on.

Still put me money on a dragon biting it next book though and Drogon would have the biggest impact. It'll be a kick in the teeth but let's face it, if ANYONE was going to do something like that it would be Martin

RobbingBandit

Big swerve I can see coming is Stanis dying and becoming the leader of the White Walkers by the end of TWOW.

TimeToShine

Barristan Selmy is dead meat, I'd say Vic will kill him because of the time he mentioned that he'd "like to test his axe against the Kingslayer or the Knight of Flowers" which I basically interpret as him getting a go at someone in the Kingsguard.

I really, really hope Davos brings Rickon back alive and that neither are killed. Cersei is as good as dead. Littlefinger will survive until book 7 but he'll die eventually. Varys will probably be the last man standing, although I wouldn't be surprised to see Illyrio kick the bucket. A dragon will probably die as well, and Grey Worm or Daario, the latter maybe in a fight against Victarion as well.

RobbingBandit

Theory on what Aemon said as he was dying; that the dragon must have three heads, I think the three eyed crow might poses Bran as he is also a warg and a Targaryen, after all he did tell Bran he won't walk again but he will fly.

valor rorghulis

I don't know if he'll die in this book but I think Selmy will f*ck daenaerys over somehow and won't be able to live with the shame of it

Kunkka

Ser Barristan will die imo as much as it saddens me as he has become one of my favorite characters. Cersei will die too I reckon and probably Brienne.

Littlefinger will be there until the very end until the penny drops with everyone who had caused all these events.

PopePalpatine

I think Littlefinger might survive the series. He just seems like a "Renaissance man", someone who gains power through his own abilities (and wealth) rather than his lineage (or lack thereof).

Mr Freeze

Barriston won't be getting out of Meereen (unfortunately).

I expect him to do some absolutely epic stuff but sadly I think he will die in the battle or be killed treacherously afterwards when new alliances are being formed in Daenerys's grand new army.

There are too many Greyjoys, Theon, Asha, Aeron, Victarion and Euron. I expected Theon to get killed or be used to nullify the Kingsmoot, Asha wed to someone to form some sort of an alliance.

Aeron, Victarion and Euron, 1 or 2 of them has to be killed, so since Victarion is a POV and plotting against Euron, that probably spells doom for Victarion.

I fear for Davos, he has cheated/avoided death so much, can it continue?

Tommen, Myrcella and Cersei could well get killed, either them or Aegon.

I'd say Brienne will die, to save Jamie, and Jamie could the one to kill Cersei.

Stone Deaf 4evr

I dont see Jon Snow being dead, I reckon he'll survive / be reborn and eventually end up ruling the entirety of westeros with Dany.

Littlefinger - killed by sansa
tyrion - works his way in as an advisor to dany, will probably get the most heroic death
Jamie - I'd agree that he probably will kill cercei, or alternatively, she will be killed by arya.

And of course, all those freys involved in the red wedding need their comeuppance too...

Mr Freeze

Maybe a few Boltons will go too, along with The Freys.

I'd love to see both houses extinguished, especially The Freys, leave old Walder till last, so that he knows the seed he has been so busy planting left right and centre for years is now gone.

Stone Deaf 4evr

The one gripe / worry I have with the books as a whole, is the sheer number of characters introduced, and the possibility of getting a satisfactory ending / resolution for all the different story lines.

its not like hes getting any younger either, and he doesn't exactly rattle them off in 6 months or so.

TimeToShine

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

The one gripe / worry I have with the books as a whole, is the sheer number of characters introduced, and the possibility of getting a satisfactory ending / resolution for all the different story lines.

its not like hes getting any younger either, and he doesn't exactly rattle them off in 6 months or so.

I suspect it will take more than 2 more books if i'm honest.

RobbingBandit

I would like to see Lady Stoneheart butcher Walder Frey.

Hope to see Ser Grandfather fight either Brown Ben or Victarion in single combat.

Gbear

RobbingBandit wrote: »

I would like to see Lady Stoneheart butcher Walder Frey.

Hope to see Ser Grandfather fight either Brown Ben or Victarion in single combat.

Victarion was as fierce a fighter as there was in the 7 Kingdoms. I'd imagine that only the Cleganes and Jamie with 2 hands could've handled him. With his magical death arm he'd make short work of poor Ser Barristan.

Brown Ben, I'd imagine, he'd dispatch quite easily.

MiloYossarian

I think what happens is, you buy the book, and then it kills your whole family and everybody you love.

Seriously though, this has been some interesting reading.

MiloYossarian

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

The one gripe / worry I have with the books as a whole, is the sheer number of characters introduced, and the possibility of getting a satisfactory ending / resolution for all the different story lines.

its not like hes getting any younger either, and he doesn't exactly rattle them off in 6 months or so.

I think I heard ol' George say that he was going to have a LOTR style ending with multiple conclusions.

Sleepy

Gbear wrote: »

Victarion was as fierce a fighter as there was in the 7 Kingdoms. I'd imagine that only the Cleganes and Jamie with 2 hands could've handled him. With his magical death arm he'd make short work of poor Ser Barristan.

I think you're grossly underestimating Ser Barristan here. The man is a living legend in Westeros for his martial prowess. Even Jaime Lannister looks up to him.

TimeToShine

Sleepy wrote: »

I think you're grossly underestimating Ser Barristan here. The man is a living legend in Westeros for his martial prowess. Even Jaime Lannister looks up to him.

In his prime yes, nowadays I don't think so. His POV in ADWD is, in my view, building up to him getting killed by a younger fighter. It's only natural that he dies on the battlefield and quite frankly if he were to kill Victarion it would be ridiculous.

Sleepy

Oh, I agree that he'll not survive the book and wouldn't be the fighter he once was. However, while Victarion seems like a vicious and effective brawler I'm not sure that such a fighter woul ever be able to defeat one of the finest swordsmen of the realm, even in his latter years. Strength and speed may fail with age but it's skill with a blade and calmness in the fight that one uses to defeat the likes of Victarion.

I'd be fine with another Mountain / Sand Snake scenario where both men end up dead or even Victarion winning through some interference by Moqorro etc. but I'll be disappointed if Victarion kills him in a fair fight.

Witcher

Victarion nearly got the hand taken off him by some redshirt Serry lad, fierce fighter alright but Barristan can still hang with the yoof init..dispatched Khazz easy enough.

Even if Victarion kills him it would be a hollow enough victory..the guy's on his pension so he won't get the satisfaction he wants from it having always talked of fighting Jaime etc. It would be a bit similar to how Lyn Corbray boasts of killing Lewyn Martell..sure you did it but he was half dead already.

Gbear

Blay wrote: »

Victarion nearly got the hand taken off him by some redshirt Serry lad, fierce fighter alright but Barristan can still hang with the yoof init..dispatched Khazz easy enough.

Even if Victarion kills him it would be a hollow enough victory..the guy's on his pension so he won't get the satisfaction he wants from it having always talked of fighting Jaime etc. It would be a bit similar to how Lyn Corbray boasts of killing Lewyn Martell..sure you did it but he was half dead already.

The Serry lad nicked is hand through his gauntlet. Vic still killed him pretty easily. Victarion only spared a thought for him because he was one of the few with the balls to wear armour at sea.

Khazz had no armour on. It was in the TV show but I assume in the books as well where Jorah made pretty short work of Drogo's right hand man in similar circumstances.

We even see in Vic's chapter he's happy to let blows fall on him and trust his armour to protect him. There's a clear contrast between his battle and how helpless those without armour are portrayed.

He might not get any satisfaction but he might feel honoured to be the end of such a storied fighter. In his crazy mind he might think that dying in a glorious battle with the future emperor of the world was a fitting end to the great Barristan Selmy.

TimeToShine

He would have lost to Khrazz if he hadn't been wearing armor/Khrazz was also wearing it. I agree with you both that he was one of the best swordsmen in the realm but his time is up. Victarion, if I remember rightly, basically got scratched by that guy on the ship. It would be totally pointless to give him a POV, build him up as one of the fiercest fighters of the Iron Islands (a place already renowned for savagery) and have him think about taking on "the best" if he were to lose to Barristan (or any other equally competent fighter) or kill him by means of trickery or outside help/cheating. I agree it might not satiate him however...which is probably what will push him towards better fighters and potentially his death.

Of course this is just my opinion...only time will tell! I should probably throw in that I am quite a fan of the Ironborn, especially Euron and Vic. I know that most people think they're dull and/or stupid but they wouldn't be included if they didn't have a big part to play. The thought of Vic dying so anticlimacticaly is not one I'm glad to entertain!

Kunkka

Maybe he gave Victorian a POV to throw is off. I know the Viper didn't have a POV but many would have expected him to also live longer I reckon.

Witcher

Quentyn got a POV..I wouldn't rule out anyone getting one and then dying.

I don't know why Victarion has to fight Barristan anyway...the theory seems to have sprung up in the last while from nowhere. Barristan would be one of the few to actually advise Dany to make use of the Ironborn's ships. I don't think she will though, they haven't got enough...someone over on The Forum of Ice and Fire calculated that to move her Unsullied, Freedmen and sellsword companies would need several times the number of ships Victarion has just to carry men let alone supplies, that's even excluding any Dothraki she might win around to her cause.

Gbear

Blay wrote: »

Quentyn got a POV..I wouldn't rule out anyone getting one and then dying.

The Meereenese blot has done several excellent series of essays on various characters. The current one being released is about the Dornish.
http://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/
It basically tries to explain Quentyn as not being a proper POV in his own right but rather an element of the overarching Dornish plot.
Between him, Arianne and Hotah they give you an insight into all Doran's plans but without having a POV of Doran himself, it gives room for some things to be held back.

Blay wrote: »

I don't know why Victarion has to fight Barristan anyway...the theory seems to have sprung up in the last while from nowhere. Barristan would be one of the few to actually advise Dany to make use of the Ironborn's ships. I don't think she will though, they haven't got enough...someone over on The Forum of Ice and Fire calculated that to move her Unsullied, Freedmen and sellsword companies would need several times the number of ships Victarion has just to carry men let alone supplies, that's even excluding any Dothraki she might win around to her cause.

If they plunder loads of ships in Slavers bay (say the bulk of the Volantene navy, which may or may not be manned by slaves who could well go over to Dany) then they might have enough.

The real problem is that Vic's ships aren't very big. If they get a number of larger ships - large trading ships or Volantene warships - that might be enough.

TimeToShine

Gbear wrote: »

The Meereenese blot has done several excellent series of essays on various characters. The current one being released is about the Dornish.
http://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/
It basically tries to explain Quentyn as not being a proper POV in his own right but rather an element of the overarching Dornish plot.
Between him, Arianne and Hotah they give you an insight into all Doran's plans but without having a POV of Doran himself, it gives room for some things to be held back.

Nice catch. I always thought of Doran as in the same league as Varys and Littlefinger so giving him a POV would be pointless.

December2012

Gbear wrote: »

The Meereenese blot has done several excellent series of essays on various characters. The current one being released is about the Dornish.
http://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/

Thank you, thank you, thank you. I love the meereenese blot essays and I didn't know there was a new series.

Now that's my afternoon sorted!

Paddy Cow

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Maybe a few Boltons will go too, along with The Freys.

I'd love to see both houses extinguished, especially The Freys, leave old Walder till last, so that he knows the seed he has been so busy planting left right and centre for years is now gone.

I can see Ramsay killing Roose. In the books Roose used Ramsay to do his dirty work but never had any intention of letting a bastard inherit his house. He married and had a legitimate son, who is a direct threat to Ramsay. Ramsay cares for no one but himself and killing a child would be no problem to him.

After Roose is gone, Ramsay has no one controlling his sadistic nature and he will rack up enemies fairly quickly and soon orchestrate his own death.

Can't wait to see how Walder Frey dies but what if George simply lets him die of old age, safe in his bed? Everyone assumes that Lady Stoneheart, Arya or at least someone will get revenge on him. Imagine the meltdowns people would have if he escaped justice and died peacefully? :eek:

It would be the ultimate trolling of fans by a writer :pac:

RobbingBandit

Who is his heir now, I think it's Black Walder, I can see whom ever the heir is slipping in and killing him unseen quite soon into the WoW. Roose Bolton doesn't seem like a man that will die easily, given his part in the Red Wedding though I can see Asha Greyjoy killing both him and Ramsay for what has happened to Theon.

omicron

I reckon Roose will kill Ramsay when he has a son.

Mr Freeze

Ya, Roose won't go easy!

Hopefully Stannis along with "Lord Too Fat To Sit A Horse", will crush The Boltons and take back Winterfell.

I'd love to see Stannis face to face with a defeated Roose and Ramsay, and see how he would treat them. Obviously they would probably be put to death after the encounter, but the interaction between then could be good.

Kunkka

Any interaction involving Stannis is pure gold

Paddy Cow

Mr Freeze wrote: »

Ya, Roose won't go easy!

Hopefully Stannis along with "Lord Too Fat To Sit A Horse", will crush The Boltons and take back Winterfell.

I'd love to see Stannis face to face with a defeated Roose and Ramsay, and see how he would treat them. Obviously they would probably be put to death after the encounter, but the interaction between then could be good.

I don't like Stannis at all. He sees the world in black and white, which is how a child sees it and likes to think he has more honour than Ned Stark but really he is just a psycho with a self righteous attitude. He would be a terrible King of the Seven Kingdoms and it's never gonna happen.

Kunkka

Paddy Cow wrote: »

I don't like Stannis at all. He sees the world in black and white, which is how a child sees it and likes to think he has more honour than Ned Stark but really he is just a psycho with a self righteous attitude. He would be a terrible King of the Seven Kingdoms and it's never gonna happen.

The throne is his by right.

Mr Freeze

Kunkka wrote: »

The throne is his by right.

Ya, I get the feeling he doesn't even want it, never wanted it.

But with all these other buggers squabbling over it really gets to him, all the false kings.

omicron

Kunkka wrote: »

The throne is his by right.

Not really it's Aegon's (if he's genuine) by rights, or else Daenerys'.

Kunkka

omicron wrote: »

Not really it's Aegon's (if he's genuine) by rights, or else Daenerys'.

House Baratheon gained the throne by right of conquest so as per the laws of the land Stannis is the heir by right & law due to Robert not having any true born sons. As Mr Freeze states it's like Stannis doesn't even want it but is so bound by honor that he is doing everything in his power to do his duty.

TimeToShine

omicron wrote: »

Not really it's Aegon's (if he's genuine) by rights, or else Daenerys'.

Only way they can get it back is by right of conquest. They forfeited their claim when they left Westeros.

Turtyturd

Stannis was pissed off when he got Dragonstone after the rebellion...I think part of him wants to sit on the throne and rule over Kings Landing.

Witcher

He was pissed that he didn't get Storm's End as the elder of Robert's brothers. It wasn't because he wanted to be king instead.

December2012

Yeah but dragon stone was traditionally the seat held by the heir to the throne.

Paddy Cow

Kunkka wrote: »

The throne is his by right.

By that logic the throne is anyone's by right of taking it by force. Robert had no "right" to the throne. He went to war and claimed it for himself. Now Stannis is having a bitch fit because other people are going to war and claiming it for themselves. For someone who is supposed to be logical, he sure can be hypocritical when it suits him.

Witcher

December2012 wrote: »

Yeah but dragon stone was traditionally the seat held by the heir to the throne.

Yeah but in Clash, Cersei says that Robert deliberately gave Storm's End to Renly as a slight to Stannis. There was no reason Stannis couldn't have been the heir from SE instead.

Witcher

Paddy Cow wrote: »

By that logic the throne is anyone's by right of taking it by force. Robert had no "right" to the throne. He went to war and claimed it for himself. Now Stannis is having a bitch fit because other people are going to war and claiming it for themselves. For someone who is supposed to be logical, he sure can be hypocritical when it suits him.

It's right of conquest...it's a real life fact, not just invented for the series. Legally the Baratheon's are the royal family now. Look at William of Orange...he had no right to the English throne except a family tie and an army just as in Robert's case.

Aegon I technically seized all the kingdoms bar Dorne individually by right of conquest..and just united them but nobody disputes his actions.

Paddy Cow

Blay wrote: »

It's right of conquest...it's a real life fact, not just incented for the series. Look at William of Orange...he had no right to the English throne.

Exactly, so Stannis hasn't supreme right over the throne. Anyone can claim it, if they can get to it.