Qualified Cycling Nutritionists

pprendeville

Anyone care to recommend a qualified nutritionist, ideally one that has experience with cyclists?

jinkypolly

pprendeville wrote: »

Anyone care to recommend a qualified nutritionist, ideally one that has experience with cyclists?

Is there such a thing as a 'qualified' nutritionist?

lennymc

http://www.optimumnutrition4sport.com/

Barry Murray has a lot of dealings with cyclists and endurance athletes. I attended a seminar given by him recently and found him to be good. Haven't had any 1-1 stuff though.

godtabh

Didn't ryan sherlock have a seminar on this recently?

buffalo

Beth McCluskey is very capable as well: http://peakendurancecoaching.com/Nutrition.html

lennymc

godtabh wrote: »

Didn't ryan sherlock have a seminar on this recently?

he co-presented the seminar with Barry Murray.

ford2600

lennymc wrote: »

he co-presented the seminar with Barry Murray.

Barry Murray talks lower carb and fasting with Ben Greenfield: http://www.bengreenfieldfitness.com/...-and-exercise/

Very interesting discussion, originally posted by Ryan Sherlock

doozerie

There are recognised qualification for dieticians but I'm not sure what qualifications and regulation exists for nutritionists. By coincidence I was talking about this with my GP just this morning and he mentioned that recently he has had several patients coming to him with issues which he believes are the result of poor advice given to them by nutritionists that he reckons are talking through their hat (with dangerous consequences). He is a strong advocate of dieticians, believing that more people should probably avail of their services, but good nutritionists he considers to be harder to find.

ford2600

doozerie wrote: »

There are recognised qualification for dieticians but I'm not sure what qualifications and regulation exists for nutritionists. By coincidence I was talking about this with my GP just this morning and he mentioned that recently he has had several patients coming to him with issues which he believes are the result of poor advice given to them by nutritionists that he reckons are talking through their hat (with dangerous consequences). He is a strong advocate of dieticians, believing that more people should probably avail of their services, but good nutritionists he considers to be harder to find.

Not sure a lot of doctors are the best either.

My own GP told me I couldn't cycle long distance without a high carb diet. When I told him I was he just shook his head and said that's not right!

Two doctor on fatvsugar thing seemed to know nothing about nutition.

Peter Attia admits he didn't learn much in medical school either

doozerie

@ford2600, I entirely agree. I’m certainly not suggesting that it’s a clear-cut case that someone with a recognised qualification will be a guaranteed reliable source and someone without will be a guaranteed charlatan, but when it comes to narrowing down your choices I think whether someone has a qualification is something worth bearing in mind.

I’d lean towards someone with a scientific based qualification personally, in the hope that they’d let scientific evidence influence their views/advice rather than some prejudiced and/or traditional views of what people “should” eat. I’m lucky in that my current GP is broad-minded and doesn’t flinch at the mention of a high-fat diet, so in my case I’d be optimistic that he could recommend a good/broad-minded dietician should I need one (which I might yet - curse my family’s history of high cholesterol!).

Brian?

jinkypolly wrote: »

Is there such a thing as a 'qualified' nutritionist?

There is. There's just no regulation of the qualifications and it's not a protected term.

Most of them are chancers as well.

Brian?

doozerie wrote: »

There are recognised qualification for dieticians but I'm not sure what qualifications and regulation exists for nutritionists. By coincidence I was talking about this with my GP just this morning and he mentioned that recently he has had several patients coming to him with issues which he believes are the result of poor advice given to them by nutritionists that he reckons are talking through their hat (with dangerous consequences). He is a strong advocate of dieticians, believing that more people should probably avail of their services, but good nutritionists he considers to be harder to find.

Dietician is a protected term AFAIK, properly regulated. There is nothing to stop me calling myself a nutritionist and setting up a practice, I cannot call myself a dietician though.

So to answer the OP, I'm a nutritionist who specialises in cyclists. €60 an hour please.

lennymc

Brian? wrote: »

So to answer the OP, I'm a nutritionist who specialises in cyclists. €60 an hour please.

kuro_man

Most general dietary advice is useless, imho. For starters, you didn't quality "cyclists". a pro-tour cyclist who trains every day will require a different set up to your average commuter. Secondly, they will have the resources to tailor their diet to their individuals needs and responses.

If the Fat v Sugar programme showed anything, its that a balanced, varied diet with the right number of calories (and limit highly processed food) is all that is needed. There is no need to make it any more complicated than that.

eoghan84

ya the term nutritionist is not a legally protected term so some people have a degree for four years and others have a two day course and they call themselves nutritionists.

To address this, the Nutrition Society of the UK and Ireland have a voluntary registry of nutritionists, which you can only join if you have a proper qualification but this of course is still just voluntary. It means being able to say youre a 'registered nutritionist.'

Craig06

Last year I was at the talk that Beth McCluskey did at the cycling show in citywest. She was very good, plenty of experience with athletes and scientifically spot on. By the way my background is in Biotechnology so I know the science behind it.

kumate_champ07

just get a good book on sports nutrition, its not rocket science. diet is mostly about discipline.

high carb works, low carb(high fat) works. pick one that suits your taste buds/financial situation. I find high fat to be expensive. avocados arent cheap, nuts have gotten expensive, udos oil is great. I had pork chops almost every day, a dinner made up of 3 meats, eat one while the other is on the frying pan, after the 3 are cooked Id fry a load of veg in the fat!

high carb is rice,pasta & oats based which is dirt cheap. veg, fruit, vitamins and minerals(athletes need extra minerals but you need to be aware of absorption, extra zinc will block copper, some zincs arent good long term)

pprendeville

Beth is unavailable at present. Can't access optimum nutrition (great firewall). Anyone got Barry Murray's email address. I've bought a few books but if someone gives me a plan I'll stick to it. Don't know why but that's the sorta person I am.

Edit: Can access the site again. Just sent off an email. Is he based in Ireland or England (Loughborough)?

duffyshuffle

pprendeville wrote: »

Beth is unavailable at present. Can't access optimum nutrition (great firewall). Anyone got Barry Murray's email address. I've bought a few books but if someone gives me a plan I'll stick to it. Don't know why but that's the sorta person I am.

Edit: Can access the site again. Just sent off an email. Is he based in Ireland or England (Loughborough)?

He's based in Italy now, twitter best place to get him @on4sport

What's the purpose? Weight loss, improved body comp, health, performance...? What do you want out of a nutritionist?

What did you eat yesterday? Why do you think you need to change that?

pprendeville

duffyshuffle wrote: »

He's based in Italy now, twitter best place to get him @on4sport

What's the purpose? Weight loss, improved body comp, health, performance...? What do you want out of a nutritionist?

What did you eat yesterday? Why do you think you need to change that?

Reasons: Weight loss, health. This will help make me accountable for what I eat.

Brekkie: Millet porridge (mixture of buckwheat, yellow millet, soybeans and 8 rice porridge, handful of each) and an orange.
Dinner: Stir fried noodles and 5 sticky rice dumplings.
Snacks: An orange, 2 bananas, 2 cups ovaltine, 1 cup coffee, and 3L water.

I just want a qualified opinion on the stuff I'm eating and when to eat it maybe or what's best to eat pre/post exercise. I think I have a good idea but it would be good to get advice from someone who is working with pro-cyclists everyday albeit my needs will be much different. I know I can buy a book and do it myself but it's easier said than done. I find doing up my own physical training program easier than the nutrition.

Like this guys articles already: http://optimumnutrition4sport.co.uk/articles/an-on4s-state-of-mind/
Looks like bread is on the way out for me although I'd given up on white bread a long time ago and just dabble in the whole grain stuff now and again. It's crap over here though unless one likes noodle bread or rice bread or bread deep fried in oil.

Enduro

PM me if Barry doesn't respond to you from whatever contact your using, and I'll see if I can get him for you. I see you're in Beijiing... that could make it a little more interesting in terms of what food is easily available

pprendeville

Yes, let's hope I don't get done for clenbuterol when I come back.

petethedrummer

pprendeville wrote: »

Like this guys articles already: http://optimumnutrition4sport.co.uk/articles/an-on4s-state-of-mind/

That's a low paragraph article.

kuro_man

kumate_champ07 wrote: »

...I had pork chops almost every day...

Not varied then?

kumate_champ07

kuro_man wrote: »

Not varied then?

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from my butchers: pork chops, lamb burgers, beef mince, beef burgers(100%), sirloin steak, streaky bacon, leek sausages, cooked ham slices(my oven doesnt work, otherwise Id cook and slice my own).

I would keep a few cooked pork chops and sausages in some tinfoil in the fridge for snacks




starting now Im doing it differently, probably 2:1:2 carbs,protein,fat.
instead of 1*:3:5 *(diy sports drinks, fruit)

bulk of carbs from brown basmati rice cooked in veg stock with onions,mushrooms,spices and butter. Ill use different variations to keep boredom away, will Mexicanise it, had it today and its tasty.


most important thing is to cut out sweets, white bread, heavily processed foods, and wheat if its a problem, I like it but it makes me bloated


a good tip is to keep a food diary so you can see what you are actually eating

pprendeville

I went with Barry and am keeping a food diary for a few days (I already keep a basic one) before sending it back along with a description of my weekly training load which is pretty light in terms of hours to be honest.

I have practically ditched sweets, haven't gone near white bread for 10 years, the wholemeal bread here isn't great so I've practically no bread in my diet since last Sepetember. I'd say my intake of carbs is probably too high. I probably need to increase my intake of protein and fat. Will be interesting to see what Barry comes back with.

doozerie

I've found www.myfitnesspal.com a useful site for keeping track of, and planning my diet each day. It details the carbs, fats, and proteins contents of food that you add to the diary from its database and you can add food to the database yourself too, so you can see at a glance the breakdown of what you are eating/planning to eat. Beware though that their database of food is populated by users of the service and some of the entries can be incomplete (e.g. gives calories for the food only, no breakdown - some people presumably think only in terms of calories) or even wildly inaccurate due to typos (e.g. add mg figures as g figures) or, in some cases, because the person that created the entry seemed to be on another planet (e.g carb figures underestimated by a huge factor while all other figures are correct)! You can edit entires that are incorrect though, so it's not the end of the world, it's just tedious having to double-check entries. But it's a free service, so good "value for money" nonetheless

You can also create recipes and the like to make it easier and quicker to (re-)add meals at a later date. And at one click it'll give you a pie chart (ha!) showing relative figures for carbs, fats, and proteins consumed for the day of your choice. Other handy features include a built in barcode scanning function to help find that food in their database - this is a bit hit and miss too though.

It is also available as an app for iPhone and Android. The Android app sucks though as it only shows you the calorie figures, no breakdown of what those calories are made up of.

pprendeville

Have used it before. Way too much hassle for me to be getting too nitpicky about what I've ate. A good plan, and if I stick to it, will sort me out.

pprendeville

Here's the diet for last 4 days. Have been drinking too much ovaltine recently but apart from that its not too bad. Going to fire this off to Barry now and see what he comes back with.

Sat 22 Feb 65.5kg
Breakfast: 09:00 - 1 med bowl millet porridge w/1tbsp date honey, 1 orange, 2 tbsp ovaltine & 1 tbsp mocha coffee (430ml water/50ml full fat milk)
14:00 - 1 banana
16:00 - large bowl of beef stew (mix of water potato, broccoli, purple onion, garlic, Sacla Basil and Tomato pasta sauce, pinch salt)
17:15 - banana
20:00 - Container ovaltine (2 tbsp)
20:30 - 1 kinder bueno chocolate sweet

Sun 23 Feb 64.9kg
9:30 - Large bowl millet porridge w/1tbsp date honey. 7 large strawberries.
13:30 - 7 medium strawberries
13:45 - Large bowl beef stew from yesterday
14:00 - 2 red bean oat biscuits, 800ml rice tea,
16:20 - 840ml mix (mixture of 1 spoon mocha instant coffee, rice tea cube, 1 barley tea bag)
16:30 - 400ml mix (1 tbsp mocha, 1 tbsp ovaltine, 1/2tbsp chocolate powder)
18:15 - Nearly bonked on turbo trainer, 1 medium banana, 7 medium strawberries, 30g emmental cheese, 3 tbsp stewed potato&brocolli,
18:45 - 1 med banana on turbo trainer
19:30 post ride - 3 soft boiled eggs, 20g Illertaler Emmental cheese, 100ml full fat milk.
21:45 - starving so 1 medium bowl porridge (150ml water, 200ml full fat milk, 1 tbsp honey)

Mon 24 Feb 64.5kg
09:30 - 1 medium bowl organic white rice porridge, 1tbsp chocolate poweder, 100ml full fat milk, 420ml lady grey tea (50ml full fat milk)
11:30 - 1/2 small bowl organic white rice porridge, 1 medium orange
11:50 - 1 He Run Japanese style yoghurt, 200ml mixed with 50ml full fat milk.
2.4L Rice tea/barley tea mixture throughout the day
15:45 - 1 large bowl beef stew
16:25 - 1 handful walnuts
16:50 - 1 cup Lady Grey tea, 50ml ff milk
18:50 - cup oval time (3 spoons)
20:10 - 2 squares dark chocolate (Cote d'Oir)

Tues 25 Feb 64.2kg
07:30 - 1 small bowl porridge (2tbsp ground black sesame seeds, 1 tbsp date honey), 420ml water
10:00 - 1 medium bowl black rice porridge, 1tbsp white sugar
12:10 - 1 large dragon fruit, 1 small orange, handful peanuts
13:00 - 1 peach yoghurt 125ml
13:15 - 2 handfuls penne pasta boiled (Brand: Pasta Zara), 2 tbsp Sacla basil and tomato sauce, 40g Illertaler Emmental cheese, 3 steamed eggs, pinch of salt
13:50 - 2 squares dark chocolate (Cote d'Oir)
16:15 - medium bowl porridge, 1tbsp date honey, 1tbsp coffee/1tbsp ovaltine, 420ml water
19:30 - Stir fried beef (50g), stir fried Chinese cabbage (20g), 100g mixed fresh fruit, 250ml beer
22:50 - 2tbsp ovaltine, 1/2tbsp chocolate powder, 420ml water

pprendeville

Got my nutrition report there on Tuesday, all 33 pages. Very comprehensive. Haven't really been a blue to put things into practice yet as I'm in Taiwan but once I get back to Beijing and am back to cooking for myself I'll be using it. Lots of common sense in there. To make a long story short, I've been eating too many carbs and eating stuff at the wrong times. Have been reading The Paelo Diet by Joe Friel which helps as well. Thumbs up for anyone considering Barry. Really seems to know his stuff.