Ryanair TR scheme 2014

doc5

Hi. I'm wondering if anyone knows what the chances are of a fAtpl pilot with low hours (250) getting hired by Ryanair ie: get accepted into their own cae Tr scheme and pay the 28k yourself.

Also if one doesn't get into this scheme what are the other options available to a low hour pilot if your willing to travel.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

Zyox

Are you Irish?

doc5

im from Cork

kub

doc5 wrote: »

im from Cork

The most important bit.

jamo2oo9

doc5 wrote: »

im from Cork

That means you are unlikely to get a job with Ryanair because they don't hire Irish pilots. There are a few Irish pilots in FR but not a long compared to other nationalities.




Kind of racist would you not think no?

billie1b

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

That means you are unlikely to get a job with Ryanair because they don't hire Irish pilots. There are a few Irish pilots in FR but not a long compared to other nationalities.




Kind of racist would you not think no?

Thats the biggest load of bull crap I have ever heard

jamo2oo9

billie1b wrote: »

Thats the biggest load of bull crap I have ever heard

What is? I read it on here from other members in other threads.

billie1b

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

What is? I read it on here from other members in other threads.

That Ryanair don't hire Irish pilots, there are plenty of Irish pilots hired in Ryanair.

doc5

billie

do you know what approx are the chances of getting accepted into their type rating coarse is?

jamo2oo9

billie1b wrote: »

That Ryanair don't hire Irish pilots, there are plenty of Irish pilots hired in Ryanair.

Yes, I said that but not a lot.

Got this from the thread Airline Pilot

Are you Irish or over 30?, because if so you can count Ryanair out on both counts. They have an unofficial policy of not recruiting Irish pilots at the moment. Although if you asked them they'll deny it

Zyox

doc5 wrote: »

billie

do you know what approx are the chances of getting accepted into their type rating coarse is?

Slim to none as an Irish person.

billie1b

doc5 wrote: »

billie

do you know what approx are the chances of getting accepted into their type rating coarse is?

Its hard to say, you're competing against a lot of people in the same situation as yourself, Ryanair is the starting off point for a lot of pilots to gain hours before moving to other airlines that would require 2500, 3000 hours just to start.

billie1b

doc5 don't listen to the others, I dispatched a flight a few weeks ago, a training flight, there was 15 new pilots starting, 17 on the plane in total, the two in command were Irish, 9 of the training lads were Irish , a couple of British and one or two others.
A friend of mine who is also Irish and in his late 30's started as an f/o also. Don't let people who didn't succeed or hold a grudge put you off from it, all you can do is try

doc5

thanks for the replies billie.

if one does not get hired by ryanair what are the other alternatives ie. what other airlines might hire you

billie1b

doc5 wrote: »

thanks for the replies billie.

if one does not get hired by ryanair what are the other alternatives ie. what other airlines might hire you

With that amount of hours I honestly don't know, the pilot forum would be best asked for that

Cessna_Pilot

billie1b wrote: »

doc5 don't listen to the others, I dispatched a flight a few weeks ago, a training flight, there was 15 new pilots starting, 17 on the plane in total, the two in command were Irish, 9 of the training lads were Irish , a couple of British and one or two others.
A friend of mine who is also Irish and in his late 30's started as an f/o also. Don't let people who didn't succeed or hold a grudge put you off from it, all you can do is try

Completely out of interest what sort of training flight carries so many cadet pilots? Were they possibly positioning to Stn or Ema? Im struggling to comprehend 15 cadets on a single training flight...

billie1b

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

Completely out of interest what sort of training flight carries so many cadet pilots? Were they possibly positioning to Stn or Ema? Im struggling to comprehend 15 cadets on a single training flight...

It goes up, flies around for a couple of hours, each newbie gets control for a set amount of time, lands back in DUB or the airport it originated from. They do it in EMA, STN and HHN aswell I believe

ProfessorPlum

Sounds like it could be base training, but there's no way you could get through 15 pilots. Odd.

Cessna_Pilot

billie1b wrote: »

It goes up, flies around for a couple of hours, each newbie gets control for a set amount of time, lands back in DUB or the airport it originated from. They do it in EMA, STN and HHN aswell I believe

From which airport did you dispatch this flight? Again, totally out of interest But I'd be surprised if 15 cadets were doing base training at once.

billie1b

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

From which airport did you dispatch this flight? Again, totally out of interest But I'd be surprised if 15 cadets were doing base training at once.

I have done them from DUB

Cessna_Pilot

billie1b wrote: »

I have done them from DUB

And the one a few weeks ago? Id very surprised if they were base training in DUB at all, let alone with 15 cadets and the recent winds.

doc5

can we get back to the question asked lads

ProfessorPlum

AFAIK, base training requires 6 landings per pilot. For 15 pilots, that's 90 landings. Given that there has to be a circuit in there for each landing, 15 pilots is impossible. And if they have a ZFTT approved set up, I can't imagine they'd waste the aircraft / time on it. In fact, I'm sure you can't do ZFTT on the initial TR, which I presume most 'cadets' would be.

billie1b

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

AFAIK, base training requires 6 landings per pilot. For 15 pilots, that's 90 landings. Given that there has to be a circuit in there for each landing, 15 pilots is impossible. And if they have a ZFTT approved set up, I can't imagine they'd waste the aircraft / time on it. In fact, I'm sure you can't do ZFTT on the initial TR, which I presume most 'cadets' would be.

Lads nobody landed except the Captain when they were finished, they went up, flew circuits at about 25,000 ft for a couple of hours and then landed, none of the new lads took off or landed the ship. The same new guys that did it a jumpseated to STN and EMA later that day or the next day,

ProfessorPlum

billie1b wrote: »

Lads nobody landed except the Captain when they were finished, they went up, flew circuits at about 25,000 ft for a couple of hours and then landed, none of the new lads took off or landed the ship. The same new guys that did it a jumpseated to STN and EMA later that day or the next day,

What, in the name of Jasus, was the point of all that?

And how can you fly a 'circuit' at 25,000ft

billie1b

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

What, in the name of Jasus, was the point of all that?

And how can you fly a 'circuit' at 25,000ft

Don't ask me, I don't make the rules, I was given the fuel figure, did my loadsheet, asked what was happening and thats what I was told, said ok and signed off on the loadsheet. Its not a big deal to be honest.

Cessna_Pilot

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

What, in the name of Jasus, was the point of all that?

And how can you fly a 'circuit' at 25,000ft

Yeah this sounds like madness. Im going to presume there has been something lost in translation between the crew and the ground handlers.
In DUB the dispatchers are Ryanair staff so they would know whats going on.
The only thing I can think of is that they took the aircraft off to PIK landed up there and did maybe three or four cadets circuits there. Circuits flown at 1500 feet or so, not 25000!
Ryanair's Base training as far as I understand is done primarily at East mids and wouldnt be done at a busy international!

ProfessorPlum

Yeah, sounds like a complete waste of time and resources, which Ryanair aren't known for, so I'm guessing there is something 'lost in translation' alright!

billie1b

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Yeah, sounds like a complete waste of time and resources, which Ryanair aren't known for, so I'm guessing there is something 'lost in translation' alright!

Just to make ye happy lads, the next time i'm dispatching a flight with said Capt. i'll ask him what was up and let ye know ok

ProfessorPlum

Not getting at you Billie, but the next time you are, please do ask. I'd be very interested to know what they are up to!

donkey balls

Have a mate that is an FO with FR and they confirmed about the ban on hiring of Irish cadets,Also in a previous life I would have had a lot of dealings with FR flight crews and most of the cadets came from the UK & main land Europe.

IngazZagni

donkey balls wrote: »

Have a mate that is an FO with FR and they confirmed about the ban on hiring of Irish cadets,Also in a previous life I would have had a lot of dealings with FR flight crews and most of the cadets came from the UK & main land Europe.

This is just nonsense. If you look at the forums, there's a ban on Dutch cadets one month, scandanavians the next and Irish the following time. Maybe they do run in cycles if they want to hire more of a particular nationality.
Of course most cadets would be from outside Ireland. Probably over 80% of Ryanair ops does not include Ireland.

basill

The only people that can understand the hiring pattern in FR is FR. As stated above it changes regularly. One thing that is pretty much certain is that there are schools which feed into the TRTOs they use. There is a huge long running thread on pprune in the wannabes section which will give you a lot more information than here.

As for base training......Can't speak for FR but at our mob....You load up with petrol and someone will get to fly the aircraft down to Shannon or across to Prestwick if the wx in Ireland is marginal. Then it will be straight into circuit bashing for a minimum of 6 landings. If necessary you will get some more landings. Once you are done then its taxi into somewhere nice and quiet off the runway, set the parking brake and swap seats with another cadet. Then taxi out and start all over again. The last person will generally get to fly her home. 15 would seem like a large number but perhaps some were along as observers. Its a tough day at work for the trainer and safety pilot alike so 15 would be pushing it. Other factors to consider are that the aircraft is generally needed for revenue flights so the training section won't have exclusive use of it for an entire day. Often just 4-5 hours or so.

donkey balls

IngazZagni wrote: »

This is just nonsense. If you look at the forums, there's a ban on Dutch cadets one month, scandanavians the next and Irish the following time. Maybe they do run in cycles if they want to hire more of a particular nationality.
Of course most cadets would be from outside Ireland. Probably over 80% of Ryanair ops does not include Ireland.

Sorry I don't do nonsense and as I mentioned in my post my mate flies for them why would they make up stories about the company,Also with my work at the airport, It brought me in to contact with the flight crew on a daily basis and I never came across an Irish cadet they mainly came from the UK/main land Europe.

bkehoe

Cessna_Pilot wrote: »

And the one a few weeks ago? Id very surprised if they were base training in DUB at all, let alone with 15 cadets and the recent winds.

Base training at EMA primarily and sometimes PIK. The flights depart from EMA in any case. Max 5 cadets.

Takes most of the day with just 5, 15 is impossible.

bkehoe

donkey balls wrote: »

I never came across an Irish cadet they mainly came from the UK/main land Europe.

How do you think all the Irish pilots got into FR if there are no Irish cadets?

And of course they mainly come from outside Ireland, look at the population of Europe. 500 million in the EU. For simplicity lets say 5 million Irish. Do the math

donkey balls

I said that recently there has been hardly any if none,And yes FR have taken on Irish cadets as that is how my mate got hired but over the last 2/3 years I have not heard of one Irish cadet getting a place that includes two mates and a work colleague.

Xpro

billie1b wrote: »

Thats the biggest load of bull crap I have ever heard

Well, thats what you heard and what you see might be different. There is plenty of Irish lads in FR , but they've been in for a good while.

Lately it appears that Ryanair are not talking any Irish. The words been out on the street for a good while and it seems to be true.

One of the Italian lads that I know from my fto, just done his TR in UK as he got accepted, and he personally told me that not even one Irish person was present. All foreign lads. I can personally tell you that I know about 20 of the lads out there waiting to get in....with no joy:(

bkehoe

There have been Irish in recent courses, I met one in line training a couple of months ago and he said that there was another in the course before him. The word of no Irish and no over 30s was out when a friend of mine thats Irish and was 34 at interview was successful. Aviation is full of rumours, and those of you new to the game have a lifetime of rumours to look forward to.

billie1b

Xpro wrote: »

Well, thats what you heard and what you see might be different. There is plenty of Irish lads in FR , but they've been in for a good while.

Lately it appears that Ryanair are not talking any Irish. The words been out on the street for a good while and it seems to be true.

One of the Italian lads that I know from my fto, just done his TR in UK as he got accepted, and he personally told me that not even one Irish person was present. All foreign lads. I can personally tell you that I know about 20 of the lads out there waiting to get in....with no joy:(

What I see isn't different, lads on TR's jumpseat to and fro all the time to DUB, they are Irish of all ages. I'm not going to make it up as it makes no difference to me.