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powers of building control officer question

  • 18-02-2014 4:59pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭


    Hello all,

    I'm curious about the powers of a building control officer. Can they shut dwon a building site?

    If they can and do, is it necessary to apply for a new commencement notice to restart works?

    If it is necessary, would the application for a new commencement notice fall under the new building control act if applied for after March 1st?

    Thanks for any response.

    Wazzo.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,451 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    Not sure about the power of the BCO - I'm sure they can stop works if they want to - but as far as I am aware, there can only ever be one commencement notice, and if, for whatever reason a BCO stopped works, I'm sure a new commencement notice would not be required to start works again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    Yes . No . No.

    Local authorities have remarkable powers under the 1990 BC Act. They tend not to use them very often.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Hello all,

    I'm curious about the powers of a building control officer. Can they shut dwon a building site?

    If they can and do, is it necessary to apply for a new commencement notice to restart works?

    If it is necessary, would the application for a new commencement notice fall under the new building control act if applied for after March 1st?

    Thanks for any response.

    Wazzo.

    1. Yes
    2. No
    4Sticks wrote: »
    Yes . No . No.

    Local authorities have remarkable powers under the 1990 BC Act. They tend not to use them very often.

    Very rare but I shut one down last week ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭wazzoraybelle


    Thank you guys, We're in the middle of a house build at the moment and the builder is doing what I think is really iffy work but the architect is backing him up. I'm thinking of calling building control to see if they would check it out.

    Im guessing they don't get too many calls from the actual owners of properties to inspect works.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    No and they will not want to know. They may remind you of YOUR responsibilities under the Building Control Act .....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Thank you guys, We're in the middle of a house build at the moment and the builder is doing what I think is really iffy work but the architect is backing him up. I'm thinking of calling building control to see if they would check it out.

    Im guessing they don't get too many calls from the actual owners of properties to inspect works.

    Are you involved in the construction industry? What makes you think that something is wrong despite the Architects and builders opinion?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭wazzoraybelle


    No, I'm not, but I've done a lot of diy renovation over the years and got suspicious when I saw the quality of the work being done. Since then I've had another builder look at the work as well as a structural engineer who are all unhappy with the work. The architect, main contractor and the architects' engineers all say they are happy with the work, but I think they are all avoiding saying there is a problem in case they are found liable for remedial work.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Thank you guys, We're in the middle of a house build at the moment and the builder is doing what I think is really iffy work but the architect is backing him up. I'm thinking of calling building control to see if they would check it out.

    Im guessing they don't get too many calls from the actual owners of properties to inspect works.

    The BCA is not a call on service. Most BCO's will tell you to engage an independent surveyor, architect or engineer to over see builders works. I for the life of me cannot understand how people appoint builders who have their own attached certifier. That is one person i want independent of the builder and have told that to clients over the years in private and public practice.

    Where are you based btw?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭wazzoraybelle


    I agree, we have been working with the architects for 3 years, there was a competitive tender and the architects recommended this builder. I have engaged an engineer independant of the architects engineers who voiced his concerns but the builder and architect are not for budging. I'm trying to avoid legal action but it may be the only way to resolve this.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I agree, we have been working with the architects for 3 years, there was a competitive tender and the architects recommended this builder. I have engaged an engineer independant of the architects engineers who voiced his concerns but the builder and architect are not for budging. I'm trying to avoid legal action but it may be the only way to resolve this.

    perhaps outline to us what the issue is?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭wazzoraybelle


    I'd love to Syd, but I'd feel a bit uncomfortable discussing this on an open forum, we've been receiving legal advice on how to proceed, we are just hoping it won't come to that and I had a brief thought that getting a building control officer in might draw a line under the issue.

    Thanks for all the responses.

    Wazzo


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    I'd love to Syd, but I'd feel a bit uncomfortable discussing this on an open forum, we've been receiving legal advice on how to proceed, we are just hoping it won't come to that and I had a brief thought that getting a building control officer in might draw a line under the issue.

    Thanks for all the responses.

    Wazzo

    You've been getting legal advice, and the advice you got was get a BCO in?
    Thats strange.....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    I don't think the OP is saying he got legal advice to involve a BCO - that is the OPs' own thought I believe.

    OP I don't take pleasure in telling you this but if you are in fact being let down by Mr Bad builder and Mr Awful Architect you can only rely on a solicitor .
    The LA BC won't get involved in a way that will help you. They will , by law , simply want to make you do whats required to make YOUR building comply.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 659 ✭✭✭wazzoraybelle


    Yes, I've been trying to find a way to avoid legal action, I thought some help might be available from building control.

    Thanks everyone for the comments


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,354 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Yes, I've been trying to find a way to avoid legal action, I thought some help might be available from building control.

    Thanks everyone for the comments

    you never mentioned where you are by the way. You never know, a BCO could find the file landing on his desk for a random inspection.


  • Subscribers Posts: 42,171 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    If the issue is over an element of structure then to be honest no bco well touch it with a barge pole.
    If it's over something that's prescribed in the tgd's then you may have more luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    I agree, we have been working with the architects for 3 years, there was a competitive tender and the architects recommended this builder. I have engaged an engineer independant of the architects engineers who voiced his concerns but the builder and architect are not for budging. I'm trying to avoid legal action but it may be the only way to resolve this.

    At the end of the day, even if everything is technically o.k. ultimately you are the client - a paying client - of both the Arch and Builder, and it is THEY who must satisfy YOU with their work. If they are failing to do so, then a simple, clear note to both - in writing is required, stating your dissatisfaction and advising - advising, not asking - them that you'll be getting (effectively) a 2nd opinion.

    They are not doing you a favour by building this house they way THEY want. You are doing them a service by providing them with paid work.

    It's your money - don't let someone else waste it. When the builder and Arch are long gone, you'll be the one looking at the fruits (or otherwise) of their labours.

    Act now, early, concisely.

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