Angus or shorthorn

Donnelly24

Hi folks
I'm new to this I'm a new farmer and wanted to breed some pedigree cattle, from the looks of things the traditional breeds seems to be your best bet.
Which breed angus or shorthorn would be they best to breed or I'm I on the wrong path .
Any help

mikeoh

Donnelly24 wrote: »

Hi folks
I'm new to this I'm a new farmer and wanted to breed some pedigree cattle, from the looks of things the traditional breeds seems to be your best bet.
Which breed angus or shorthorn would be they best to breed or I'm I on the wrong path .
Any help

Are u new to farming???....I wouldn't advise u go straight into pure breds an awful lot of mistakes to be learnt first no need to make them expensive ones!!

Donnelly24

Hi no not new to farming but new to breeding pedigrees always something I wanted to do not sure which breed to go with

on the river

Donnelly24 wrote: »

Hi no not new to farming but new to breeding pedigrees always something I wanted to do not sure which breed to go with

I would go for angus good hardy cattle. just start with one good cow and use AI wisely and you may become a good breeder.

Sales in carrick good place to go. maybe a local breeder could start you off

mikeoh

Donnelly24 wrote: »

Hi no not new to farming but new to breeding pedigrees always something I wanted to do not sure which breed to go with

I was the same as u a few years ago and I went with Angus and I never looked back not much expense involved and its very interesting i am getting as much for 14 month old Angus as i am for 30 month beef.......i have a big soft spot for shorthorn but no market for the bulls but u will always sell an aa or finish him fast urself no finishing to some sh bulls

Donnelly24

Seen James porter in the north is a breeder of both might contact about getting a quality incalf heifer

mikeoh

Donnelly24 wrote: »

Hi no not new to farming but new to breeding pedigrees always something I wanted to do not sure which breed to go with

I was the same as u a few years ago and I went with Angus and I never looked back not much expense involved and its very interesting i am getting as much for 14 month old Angus as i am for 30 month beef.......i have a big soft spot for shorthorn but no market for the bulls but u will always sell an aa or finish him fast urself no finishing to some sh bulls

mikeoh

Donnelly24 wrote: »

Hi no not new to farming but new to breeding pedigrees always something I wanted to do not sure which breed to go with

I was the same as u a few years ago and I went with Angus and I never looked back not much expense involved and its very interesting i am getting as much for 14 month old Angus as i am for 30 month beef.......i have a big soft spot for shorthorn but no market for the bulls but u will always sell an aa or finish him fast urself no finishing to some sh bulls

Madden171

Same as yourself I have a soft spot for shorthorn but if the angus would be more profitable id go with them .

sandydan

switched from dairying and in same boat, and finding payback time biggest drawback .using aa ,mountbellard & simmental x cows at moment and breeding some to limousin, bought AA bull last year, to clean up ,was advised to keep away from Canadian AA because of calving problems !mostly dairying around here with a lot of sceptisism towards govt beef policy and factories attitude, any comments or advice appreciated

biddy2013

sandydan wrote: »

switched from dairying and in same boat, and finding payback time biggest drawback .using aa ,mountbellard & simmental x cows at moment and breeding some to limousin, bought AA bull last year, to clean up ,was advised to keep away from Canadian AA because of calving problems !mostly dairying around here with a lot of sceptisism towards govt beef policy and factories attitude, any comments or advice appreciated

we have canadian angus, imported 3 angus heifers from rainbowhills herd in 1988, they started us off, you are welcome to come up any time to have a look, we have a drumcrow stockbull and have not had to calve any cows outselves. I use the young aa bulls on my fr heifers and again no calving difficulty- touch wood-

mikeoh

If u talk to either AA society they will tell u there is no divide anymore between traditional and Canadian that all Irish Angus has a good healthy mix of best of both but like any breed if u looking for a bull for heifers u need to study the bloodlines and stay on the side of easy calving and if u looking for a suckler sire u can go for size power and muscle....u can get a BB bull for heifer as easy as u can get one that will always need a c section same with Angus a lot are very easy calving and some as big as charlois

sandydan

thanks for that .the only calving difficulty i had was with hereford a few years back,and had a few c sections,so im wary since. i try to allow them calve on own,especially heifers, i recon it helps them calve easier second time round.so far i reared them to around 500 - 600 kgs but thinking of feeding to sell at 6 months what do you figure seemed to be in good demand this year

Bellview

sandydan wrote: »

switched from dairying and in same boat, and finding payback time biggest drawback .using aa ,mountbellard & simmental x cows at moment and breeding some to limousin, bought AA bull last year, to clean up ,was advised to keep away from Canadian AA because of calving problems !mostly dairying around here with a lot of sceptisism towards govt beef policy and factories attitude, any comments or advice appreciated

Mixed message in dairy folks, once bull easy calving bloodline you will be ok for dairy.... one of the easiest calving angus bulls in Munster AI was independence and he was Canadian...while there have also been tough ones from Canada. if you are using a bull with X cows above they will be ok with some of the tougher calvers. Teagasc are going down road of dairy beef which will lead to some massive shift's within breed as dairy cow will not be suitable to harder calvers... will need to breed 'softer' type bulls to cross with heifer in hope the calf will not look like a hol

Bellview

Donnelly24 wrote: »

Hi no not new to farming but new to breeding pedigrees always something I wanted to do not sure which breed to go with

Well wprth a visit as he has purchased some serious stock over the past few years with fancy price tags. In dec there was an elite sale in Carrick and over the next few months you will see some females for sale in Carrick but also there are breeders that may be selling for personal reasions and may be worth contacting the Angus Society in Carrick if they are aware of any private dispersal sales

sandydan

Bellview wrote: »

Mixed message in dairy folks, once bull easy calving bloodline you will be ok for dairy.... one of the easiest calving angus bulls in Munster AI was independence and he was Canadian...while there have also been tough ones from Canada. if you are using a bull with X cows above they will be ok with some of the tougher calvers. Teagasc are going down road of dairy beef which will lead to some massive shift's within breed as dairy cow will not be suitable to harder calvers... will need to breed 'softer' type bulls to cross with heifer in hope the calf will not look like a hol

big change from dairying for me,milk production gave a monthly cheque provided all was right. but you need to be 50+ milking with surplus capability to rear own replacements, with loads of expansion room,and i was't in that bracket .now you contract to supply X Litres of milk. I see young farmers getting up to their necks in debt(borrowing) to compare with established bigger dairy farmers, leasing land & quota, as well as upgrading to latest equipment and buying all winter feed. so if dairy bubble bursts in 2016 the cow rush to the factory could be used to bring down the beef sector with it. Dovea were a good source for the dual purpose freisan. This is dairy country round here,cows that produce dairy replacements is priority, while dual cows like mountbellade, swiss brown,or standard british freisan that can produce a reasonable quality calf for beef & suckler purposes barely tolerated. Some norwegian red,holstein or jersey X beef bulls calves can be a nightmare and tricks like including a starch source in milk to soften appearance to hide the ridge can fool the inexperienced buyer,factories have squeezed the "freisan" bull beef margin out of existence, I tried piedmontese and belgian blue a few years back,nice animals,couldn't get them in calf,sold them well at time, aubrac were fine but hoof problems , i appreciate advice ,thank you.