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Boards Golf Society - Outings 2014
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charlieIRL wrote: »Sorry for the delay lads, am enjoying this fine weather - would enjoy it more on the golf course but what can you do.
We'll have to up our game (or cut macker 10 shots) to catch him!! Can feel an ESR coming on when I revise the handicaps!!!!
I'll set up the Ballykisteen thread soon. Looling forward to heading back there.
Surely an ESR would be a bit harsh :eek::eek:
To be fair I'm just in a purple patch even I'm surprised as to how well things have gone since selling my soul to the Devil
:p
Looking forward to next outing especially if the weather is like it is now.0 -
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Golfgraffix wrote: »Joking aside and I hope I don't sound like an arse but surely an ESR is due, if it was a club comp it would be a big cut for each event and an ESR.
My hat is off to you for such great scoring, especially in Carlow but your game suggests you area much better than your handicap. Remember shooting 36 in both events would have been a great score.
Even with a 5 shot cut you could easily still shoot 34 points in each event and be out of site in the GOTY. If you do get cut and go onto wind the GOTY I will be delighted to hand over the prize.
Again hope I don't sound like I am full if sour grapes, it is not my intention.
J
Don't think you sound like an ar*e at all J.
Just saying what needs to be said.
Plenty of evidence to suggest an ESR should be on the cards.
I think we need to be going to the remaining outings with at least a little hope that we're in with some chance on a good day.
Macker, bar a bad back 9 in Esker on your first outing, you'd probably have had a 3/3 strike rate at the outings.
You've won 2 on the trot and the last one by 6 shots after a 2 shot cut.
It may be a purple patch, but that's what an ESR is for!
Btw, you're being a bit modest, your scoring is more than a purple patch it's just a higher level of golf than some of only wish (and would probably kill
) for.
It's incredible golf and the way your going you should drop dramatically once the counting season starts.
Sure the way things are going, Charlie will apply an ESR and then have to knock a few shots more off it to match your GUI at the stage!!!!
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Golfgraffix wrote: »Joking aside and I hope I don't sound like an arse but surely an ESR is due, if it was a club comp it would be a big cut for each event and an ESR.
My hat is off to you for such great scoring, especially in Carlow but your game suggests you area much better than your handicap. Remember shooting 36 in both events would have been a great score.
Even with a 5 shot cut you could easily still shoot 34 points in each event and be out of site in the GOTY. If you do get cut and go onto wind the GOTY I will be delighted to hand over the prize.
Again hope I don't sound like I am full if sour grapes, it is not my intention.
J
It's not fair
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Only kidding Golfgraffix.......
I have no issue in my handicap being fairly cut in line with the scoring I have managed. It actually kills me to think that to this point all comps at my home course to date have been non-qualifying so I have missed out on a few cuts this year already. :mad:
Its a bit early to be thinking of the GOTY so I won't even be thinking about that. I do know that this year will be good for my golf as I plan to play a lot and if my handicap reduces reflecting a consistent level of play I'm more than happy.0 -
It's not fair:(:(:(
Only kidding Golfgraffix.......
I have no issue in my handicap being fairly cut in line with the scoring I have managed. It actually kills me to think that to this point all comps at my home course to date have been non-qualifying so I have missed out on a few cuts this year already. :mad:
Its a bit early to be thinking of the GOTY so I won't even be thinking about that. I do know that this year will be good for my golf as I plan to play a lot and if my handicap reduces reflecting a consistent level of play I'm more than happy.
Well done Macker on your play.
What is your handicap target for the year. I think you a will be single figures soon.
Best of luck.0 -
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Well - I'm going to read macker's tips again. Whatever he is doing is working.
I just have to go out and win an outing and stop making excuses -
I'll be the dude with the headphones on listening to Rotella audio books for full round - no talking
Happy to be where I am considering I only played well on the first day - My Arch rival Tiger is flying it. Couple of other lads above me I have targeted too - they have weak spots
I need to win an outing - easier said then done around here. I need to peak at a boards outing somehow.
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FixdePitchmark wrote: »Looked at it again there - only 110 points from 2 to 10 in table - means in one outing you can jump to 2nd.
Very good event.
It's 11 and down I'm worried about
There's gonna be some competition for the Top 10, some big time players (& Rikand ) just outside at present and ready to jump straight in.
And then you have Kiers and BallyK.... A banker for 1st and 2nd at the next one! No pressure lads 0 -
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charlieIRL wrote: »Under general rules, then yes an ESR should be applied but this is the first time it's come up in the society. There's no rule permitting an ESR at present but its something we can introduce for next season? Its not something thatbi would like to implement mid season.
I had a few good scores last year including 43 points so its achievable! !!!Keano A Legend wrote: »I've not been to any outings this year but still very active behind the scenes so I want ad my 2 cents. This society is still finding it's feet and we are still learning. If we go introducing more rules mid season then that's not right. Perhaps and this is my opinion that we review is cutting the handicap the best idea. Other societies take points off you. For instance I won an outing and the very next one I was -4 before hitting a ball. No one has won an outing back to back since I joined it nearly 3 years agoThink it was something like 35pts and 34pts for the wins.
I'm on Macker side here lads. If it was a GUI HC I think he would only be reduced by 1.8. He is now 4 shots less than the start of season. Will be hard to adjust to that. We shouldn't alter the rule just because someone has just hit some great form. Rather congratulate him, he is trying his hardest to get as low as possible and that's all I need to hear
Just to be extremely clear, this isn't about Macker at all here for me.
Unfortunately, Macker is at the heart of it, but it's not about taking sides.
I don't think any boards member begrudges anyone that is out to improve.
Far from that in fact, there has always been a great amount of good will among the lads that play.
I for one, would be delighted to see Mackers handicap tumble, just as much as I'd like to see my own or any other lads in the Soc.
As an aside:
My take on the ESR is that it would be
5 * 0.3 = 1.5 for the win in Porumna
6 * 0.3 = 1.8 for the win in Carlow
The average ND of those two is 5.5, that triggers a cut of 2 shots on top as per the ESR guidlines.
Which would make it a total 5.3 cut if we were trying to be like the GUI........which is ridiculous, we're a golf society for god sake, there is no need to cop out and wait for the AGM at the end of the year.
There was a committee meeting after Portumna was there not, and changes decided at that.
An additional 1 shot wouldn't be where I would be going on top of the standard 4 at all btw.
My issue is a Society/Committee issue.
Taken from the Boards Soc sticky
The main aims and objectives are for everybody to get out and have fun, meet new people, get to play some great golf courses and hopefully during the year be in with a chance of winning something for your efforts should you happen to play well.
Now, I'm sorry to say it, but there are quite a few lads that have an issue at present.
Myself included... if you can't tell
When people see Macker winning a second outing by 6 shots on the field, then I don't blame people from wondering if the bolded part is out of the equation even if they have the game of there life.
I don't blame people for looking at that, doing the simple maths and realising that a 2 shot reduction would mean he still won by 4 clear shots.
We can't predict the future, but we can protect against it.
I hope Macker wins plenty this year (outside of the soc) and that he gets to his goal but to be perfectly frank, I really hope he doesn't win another Society Outing.... not out of any bad will to Macker, but in order for the Society to function as most other societies do
i.e by ensuring a good distribution for prizes.
Macker is almost a shoe in for GOY, he'll be very hard to catch, and he deserves it to be honest.
An ESR, and a good on at that, will still ensure that he can still pick up plenty of placing points to will see him cross the line in first. The new points system almost ensures this.
In the extremely unlikely circumstance that anyone wins 2 of the remaining ones to catch him, they should be slashed as a result.
Keano, you mentioned a new points system, how is that different?
Is it easier to tell someone you are giving them minus points rather than reducing their handicap... It's nothing more than a cop out or an easy way around things from what I can see.
You mentioned that no-one has won back to backs in that society though... I'm guessing those guys have a plan in place and aren't trying to be the GUI, but instead, are functioning well as a society.
Charlie, you had a 43 pointer last year. A rarity no?
Macker has had more 40 somethings this year than you'd get at a Rolling Stones concert
I'm envious of that, but I don't begrudge it one bit.
The rules state that Handicaps are monitored and can be done so outside of just the GUI method.
We're probably the most fanatical golf society out there, we should know the workings inside and out.
If we don't see the difference between....
-Ben, a low handicapper scoring 34 & 35 to win two on the trot (& with much less of scoring variances as a result of being lower) not getting an ESR and
-Macker a high HC (for now :P) that is shooting high variances and winning with 41 & 42 points (and being completely honest about his scores on other threads, and has told us he was a scratch Pitch & Putt player moons ago...again, this goes to show it's not a Macker issue)
Sure look at Rikand, he's still playing off a Society HC that given means that he probably has to shoot an under par round to be in with a chance of winning.
And this is still from his sins of last year...
If we don't know the difference between giving a 5 HC'er a 4 shot cut and giving an 18 HC'er a 4 shot cut and what that means to the chances of having a fair crack at things then we ain't learning much from this forum.
Hope you don't mind the reference Rikand, I don't know your thoughts on this matter and I haven't spoken to Rikand on this. (in case anyone thinks he has the same opinions)
All I know is that Rikand has taken it on the chin, and bar the odd joke about it in good humour, he has sucked it up.
I hope the guys on the committee know that I have huge respect for all the work that is put in and I hope that, like GolfGraffix, this doesn't come across as sour grapes....it isn't, but I just can't still quietly by on this one, not when I've heard enough discontent with the way the committee plan to deal with this.0 -
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