"Excludes delivery and related charges"

NIMAN

I hate the way car adverts always throw this in at the end, basically telling us the price they have just quoted you will be higher when you come to buy.

If these are unavoidable charges to the public, why are they allowed to advertise like this? Could supermarkets not start quoting their grocery prices minus VAT, then tell you at the end you have to pay it?

No Pants

I always wondered what would happen if you refused delivery and asked to collect the car yourself.

Frynge

No Pants wrote: »

I always wondered what would happen if you refused delivery and asked to collect the car yourself.

as far as i know it is possible to do this once you have the VIN

Riskymove

NIMAN wrote: »

If these are unavoidable charges to the public, why are they allowed to advertise like this?

are charges the same for every garage? Is delivery more expensive the more remote you are?

It could be to keep a constant figure advertised for the actual car, if charges differ for location

djimi

NIMAN wrote: »

Could supermarkets not start quoting their grocery prices minus VAT, then tell you at the end you have to pay it?

Nothing to stop them, so long as they make it clear that the price is ex VAT.

Its commonplace in the US to have to add sales tax to the price that you see advertised. Makes shopping very frustrating when youre not used to it.

andrew1300r

No Pants wrote: »

I always wondered what would happen if you refused delivery and asked to collect the car yourself.

You cannot collect car yourself from a compound .
1. You will not a have a chassis number for your car
2. It will not be registered
3. The car will not have been invoiced to the garage yet so it's not theirs to sell to you yet.
4. The car has to be "Pdi" pre delivery inspection. Check for damage, bump stops removed, protective covers & wax removed, oils & levels checked etc etc.

Drummerboy08

The "delivery" charge isnt a simple sum of money paid to deliver the car from the factory.

Its also to PDI the car, valet it, fuel it and more ofen than not supply mats too.

Very few manufacturers will allow you to collect from the factory - Mercedes are the only ones I've ever heard of doing it, mostly for top end and AMG models.

Drummerboy08

The "delivery" charge isnt a simple sum of money paid to deliver the car from the factory.

Its also to PDI the car, valet it, fuel it and more ofen than not supply mats too.

Very few manufacturers will allow you to collect from the factory - Mercedes are the only ones I've ever heard of doing it, mostly for top end and AMG models.

TheDriver

but why don't they quote the price. The same for when they say "oh you need new brake pads" and its always ex vat, gets up my goat.....

whomitconcerns

djimi wrote: »

Nothing to stop them, so long as they make it clear that the price is ex VAT.

Its commonplace in the US to have to add sales tax to the price that you see advertised. Makes shopping very frustrating when youre not used to it.

you sure about that DJmi? I thought that wasnt allowed here?

djimi

whomitconcerns wrote: »

you sure about that DJmi? I thought that wasnt allowed here?

You might be right actually; I was just reading up on it, and its seem that only if the transaction is business to business orientated that they can display prices ex VAT.

Marcusm

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

The "delivery" charge isnt a simple sum of money paid to deliver the car from the factory.

Its also to PDI the car, valet it, fuel it and more ofen than not supply mats too.

Very few manufacturers will allow you to collect from the factory - Mercedes are the only ones I've ever heard of doing it, mostly for top end and AMG models.

Most of the high end Italian marques will allow this too, plus throw in a factory tour. A former colleague wanted to do this on a Maserati but found out it woud cost him £10k (negotiated discount). BMW also did it for a US based colleague who picked up a new car and drove it across Europe and put it in a container for shipping to Iowa.

Drummerboy08

Sorry, I should have put normal manufacturers in!

Im sure the likes of Mclaren and Ferrari would allow it.

rovoagho

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

The "delivery" charge isnt a simple sum of money paid to deliver the car from the factory.

Its also to PDI the car, valet it, fuel it and more ofen than not supply mats too.

Very few manufacturers will allow you to collect from the factory - Mercedes are the only ones I've ever heard of doing it, mostly for top end and AMG models.

Nope, BMW, Audi and VW are making a business out of it. Audi in particular have an incredibly cool building with automatic parking where you can watch your car be delivered right to your toes. I'm not sure of the scale of VW's setup, but I've seen people collecting Phaetons. It's possible this was done at the Audi facility though.

Drummerboy08

Sorry, I should have put normal manufacturers in!

Im sure the likes of Mclaren and Ferrari would allow it.

The Dagda

The Audi collection programme seems like a pleasant way to spend a day...

http://www.audi.com/com/brand/en/models/car_delivery/ingolstadt.html

Eric Cartman

The Dagda wrote: »

The Audi collection programme seems like a pleasant way to spend a day...

http://www.audi.com/com/brand/en/models/car_delivery/ingolstadt.html

youd only want to do that for something special really , an RS or S8 I could understand, could ye imagine the disappointment on the audi staffs face if you went to pick up an a4 tdi in bog spec.

The Dagda

Eric Cartman wrote: »

youd only want to do that for something special really , an RS or S8 I could understand, could ye imagine the disappointment on the audi staffs face if you went to pick up an a4 tdi in bog spec.

There seemed to be standard enough cars in the video, although I'm sure a lot of that was staged.

Flying over and spending a view days in Bavaria before driving back across Europe in any new Audi would make a pretty perfect holiday in my books.

Obviously driving back in something special would be great, but I'd enjoy it in any model in the range.

I'd love to know how much the collection programme would cost, would they include it in the negotiated purchase price?

Voodoomelon

The yanks seem to enjoy flying to Germany to collect their new BMWs. I was reading on a forum that they can actually fly there and stay there, collect the car from BMW, have it shipped back home and pretty much break even.

A good way to work a short holiday and great experience into the cost of buying a new car.

djimi

If I was buying a brand new car like that then Id definitely be looking to collect it myself; seems like a wonderful experience.

Then again, if Im going to collect a car from anywhere its more likely going to be from Japan where I am handpicking my R34 GTR Skyline

unkel

Not sure what the issue is. Just negotiate (hard!) and agree a bottom line price on the road, full tank, all inclusive.

sunnysoutheast

The Dagda wrote: »

The Audi collection programme seems like a pleasant way to spend a day...

http://www.audi.com/com/brand/en/models/car_delivery/ingolstadt.html

Our old neighbours in the UK did something similar when they picked up their C320 a few years ago.

Flew to Stuttgart, stayed in a B&B, factory tour, test drove a few cars on a track, then ambled back through Germany and France via the chunnel in their new car.

I'm doing it one day.

dbrunson

NIMAN wrote: »

I hate the way car adverts always throw this in at the end, basically telling us the price they have just quoted you will be higher when you come to buy.

If these are unavoidable charges to the public, why are they allowed to advertise like this? Could supermarkets not start quoting their grocery prices minus VAT, then tell you at the end you have to pay it?

+1 op. always found those ads annoying but the motor trade seems old fashioned in its approach to sales. you would imagine in this day and age of internet savvy price concious intelligent customers that they would be a bit more up front . fiat tried it a few years back with an" open book " pricing policy and sold a sh@t load of puntos.

but dont expect change i was told by the gm of a very large dealership in galway that there policy was to delay the customer as long as possible in the showroom to prevent them shoping around..... i give this as an example of the motor trades approach to sales.

colm_mcm

Each garage varies its delivery and related charges and includes different things in it, for example we included a towbar on every land cruiser.

veetwin

I had the privilege of collecting a new E46 from the BMW factory in Munich back in 2002. Got an early morning flight and was at the factory at 10am. No tour but a very nice showroom to wander round while i was waiting as well as coffee and pastries.

They do however sting you for a PDI which I think was around €350. Pretty cool day out though!

Nixer Jim

TheDriver wrote: »

but why don't they quote the price.

Ask Ryanair, ebay, your phone company, and so on and so on and so on.

The fact that it actually says "plus delivery & related charges" would suggest there's an additional charge. It's not like it's hidden.

colm_mcm

Nobody will pay the full price anyway.

mickdw

vw and audi do this at reasonable cost (possibly cheaper than delivery) and on normal cars too as far as Im aware. They have actually set up for it so it makes sense to offer it widely.

knifey_spoonie

The biggest issue would be, the first manufacturer to do so would be left with a comparatively higher price than all others.

As Colm said every dealer is different in what they include, some may include mats/mud flaps etc. some don't

The only option would be to legislate all prices must be all inclusive. AFAIK this is the case in the uk, it even includes the first years road tax.

colm_mcm

Would I be right in saying that the asking price has an effect on OMSP and thus vrt

No Pants

andrew1300r wrote: »

You cannot collect car yourself from a compound .
1. You will not a have a chassis number for your car
2. It will not be registered
3. The car will not have been invoiced to the garage yet so it's not theirs to sell to you yet.
4. The car has to be "Pdi" pre delivery inspection. Check for damage, bump stops removed, protective covers & wax removed, oils & levels checked etc etc.

So in that case my question would be why it isn't included in the price of the car since you can't purchase the car without it.

sandin

I got annoyed by this too and decided to find out why the delivery charge wsd addef.

Very simple - vrt is based on the retail ex works price. If the car manufacturer gave the delivered price as the retail price, the extra cost would be subject to vrt. By separating this out, it is not subject to vrt - its not a huge saving on the efficient models but a saving nonetheless.

rebel.ranter

BMW offer the service to collect your car from BMW Velt (World). It is right next to the factory & museum. I was there last October (not collecting a car unfortunately) but you could see that plenty of people were collecting cars. It was pretty well laid out, you get a tour of the factory, etc.

http://www.bmw-welt.com/en/

I would definitely look in to it of I was buying new.

No Pants

I'm curious; what is PDI?

Henry Ford III

No Pants wrote: »

I'm curious; what is PDI?

Pre delivery inspection.

The Dagda

sandin wrote: »

I got annoyed by this too and decided to find out why the delivery charge wsd addef.

Very simple - vrt is based on the retail ex works price. If the car manufacturer gave the delivered price as the retail price, the extra cost would be subject to vrt. By separating this out, it is not subject to vrt - its not a huge saving on the efficient models but a saving nonetheless.

That explanation makes sense and sounds reasonable, but I suspect the real reason is it simply allows the dealer to charge an extra fee, directly to the buyer. A charge which the distributor/manufacturer gets no part, or share, of.

The J Stands for Jay

Frynge wrote: »

as far as i know it is possible to do this once you have the VIN

I recall Clarkson on Top Gear saying for some car, think it was an Audi R8, picking it up yourself was on the options list for £700.

KTRIC

Its not just exclusive luxury marks that let you collect direct from the factory. I've had friends collect their new Skoda's, Renault's, BMW's, VW's and Porches directly from the factory.

No Pants

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Pre delivery inspection.

And what does that cover?

R.O.R

No Pants wrote: »

And what does that cover?

Removal of protective coating applied in transport.
Removal of suspension blocks for transport.
Check of all lights & levels, Check of computer to ensure no faults recorded, tell computer to take vehicle out of transport mode, if required.
Full Clean & polish, plates, screws to hold plates on, labour for putting plates on car.

That's off the top of my head, it varies car to car, manufacturer to manufacturer. I believe the Q7's used to require a 24 hour PDI, as it had/has 2 batteries that needed fully charging.

slimjimmc

Afaik it can include fitting mudguards, towbars, and accessories that don't come fitted by the factory.

rovoagho

Somebody should really introduce those dickheads to bumper tape.

And somebody should teach buyers about the concept of advertising, and how the dealer rubbish on plate surrounds and back windows should incur a discount, or be removed. How people can drive around with that crap on their shiny new cars is beyond me; it's the first thing I take off when I buy (used).

That said, if it wasn't for these morons, the rest of us wouldn't have our lovely cheap used cars.

Yakuza

Every bloody time I ring my dealers for a price for a part, they always quote "it's X plus VAT"...what proportion of their customers are able to pay the ex-vat price, I wonder? Annoys the bejaysus out of me.

KTRIC wrote: »

Its not just exclusive luxury marks that let you collect direct from the factory. I've had friends collect their new Skoda's, Renault's, BMW's, VW's and Porsches directly from the factory.

I'd be more inclined lump Porsche in with the luxury marques tbh! A mate of mine collected his 911 from factory, back in '06. I'd have loved to have gone with him on the return journey, sounded like a cool road trip.

colm_mcm

Yakuza wrote: »

Every bloody time I ring my dealers for a price for a part, they always quote "it's X plus VAT"...what proportion of their customers are able to pay the ex-vat price, I wonder? Annoys the bejaysus out of me.
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The majority of customers that would buy parts and not have them fitted by the service dept would be trade.