registering with revenue

newbie2013

Don't know if this is in proper forum but here goes

Its a question on what I should do next concerning my future. I have alot of experience in construction but since recession hit, I've been sat on my 4arse most of the time twiddling my thumbs.

Now don't get me wrong, there's been a few cash jobs out there/ homers etc...(not that I'd take them and commit fraud) and I've been quite comfortable on the dole but time for a change instead of living off the tax payer

What I'm asking is, what is it I register for tax as. You see, I can do most things in the construction industry and would say I'm very good at my work. I will be sticking to what I know best and stick to plumbing/block laying/concrete work/plastering/tiling to name a few.

Do I register them all with the revenue or register as a builder. If not, would there be something else that I should register as.

kilclon

As long as its legal and you keep it all above board i don't think they will care what you call yourself.

newbie2013

kilclon wrote: »

As long as its legal and you keep it all above board i don't think they will care what you call yourself.

Wouldn't dream of doing it otherwise. So if I register as a plasterer and do few plumbing jobs, pay my tax on it and the revenue spot this if they ever ask for my books, I'll be ok going by you

kilclon

I don't think it matters as long as you pay your tax. You will be registering as a sole trader (I assume) rather than as a plumber, builder etc. You may have to say what your main business activity is but I don't think this excludes you from doing anything else to earn your living.

Talk to your accountant for clarification.

There is a good incentive for people who were in receipt of social welfare for a period of time who set up their own business whereby the first 40k of earnings is income tax free in the first two years afaik. There are also other incentives available. Your local enterprise board will know more.

wirehairmax

newbie2013 wrote: »

Don't know if this is in proper forum but here goes

Its a question on what I should do next concerning my future. I have alot of experience in construction but since recession hit, I've been sat on my 4arse most of the time twiddling my thumbs.

Now don't get me wrong, there's been a few cash jobs out there/ homers etc...(not that I'd take them and commit fraud) and I've been quite comfortable on the dole but time for a change instead of living off the tax payer

What I'm asking is, what is it I register for tax as. You see, I can do most things in the construction industry and would say I'm very good at my work. I will be sticking to what I know best and stick to plumbing/block laying/concrete work/plastering/tiling to name a few.

Do I register them all with the revenue or register as a builder. If not, would there be something else that I should register as.

So you're a plumber, a Blocklayer, a concrete expert, a plasterer and a tiler? You must have spent years in anco/Fas and have papers for all those trades?
Perhaps you should take a look here www.ciri.ie .
The country is crying out for people like you

newbie2013

wirehairmax wrote: »

So you're a plumber, a Blocklayer, a concrete expert, a plasterer and a tiler? You must have spent years in anco/Fas and have papers for all those trades?
Perhaps you should take a look here www.ciri.ie .
The country is crying out for people like you

Didn't take long for someone like you to pop in lol. I see your changing what I said, not once I said I'm an expert. As for getting my papers, IMO there ain't any need for them now. I'm 43 years of age. As for my construction skills, I'm very good at what I do and have never had 1 complaint since I hit my 20s, before that yes but that comes with youth, now, not a chance of it.

It's time for people like you to get of your high horse and give us people the respect we deserve. Yes we might not have all these fancy papers behind us but I'm well capable of doing what I know best.

Anyway this isn't what this thread is about so please stay out of it

BryanF

newbie2013 wrote: »

It's time for people like you to get of your high horse and give us people the respect we deserve. Yes we might not have all these fancy papers behind us but I'm well capable of doing what I know best.

Anyway this isn't what this thread is about so please stay out of it

newbie any more of this and YOU can find somewhere else to post

newbie2013

BryanF wrote: »

newbie any more of this and YOU can find somewhere else to post

Anymore of what!

I hope you gave the other poster a warning for trolling

kilclon

wirehairmax wrote: »

So you're a plumber, a Blocklayer, a concrete expert, a plasterer and a tiler? You must have spent years in anco/Fas and have papers for all those trades?
Perhaps you should take a look here www.ciri.ie .
The country is crying out for people like you

I think this is unfair. A 'builder' should have competence in all of the trades as it just isn't feasible to sub everything out on smaller jobs especially.

wirehairmax

kilclon wrote: »

I think this is unfair. A 'builder' should have competence in all of the trades as it just isn't feasible to sub everything out on smaller jobs especially.

Nonsense. I've seen too many of these "jack of all trades" say they can do everything and in reality they can do **** all. They can fool some people but wouldn't fool someone that knows how to spot substandard work.
Sure we could all attempt something if we thought we could but it wouldn't be to the same standard as a qualified professional tradesperson who does that work every day of the week.
As for working on smaller jobs what we do is coordinate each trade as they are needed and each guy comes in at the right time and works in sequence with everyone else. Its called good management and everyone knows their own job.
If you read any specification worth the paper it's written on, there is always a section on workmanship which will generally state that each tradesman must be qualified and experienced in their own trade. This is also stated in British standards and the Irish building regulations.
Roll on 2015 when the ciri register becomes statutory and hopefully the rubbish is finally thrown out. From march 1st 2014 each trade will also have to declare on a legal certificate that their work complies with the standards set out in the building regulations. We'll see then who's going to put pen to paper to stand over their work.

kilclon

And how are you supposed to spot substandard work if you aren't competent in all trades? I've seen plenty qualified tradesmen who do substandard work and people with no 'papers' who do excellent work. A formal qualification is obviously better in general and the fact that up to now a builders license wasn't a requirement is laughable.

CIRI is a step in the right direction but there is still a way to go. What is good is that people like the OP are not excluded from joining, as long as they can prove their competence. To tar all who don't have a formal qualification with the same brush is, in my opinion, not fair as they may be more than capable of completing the task undertaken competently.

With regard to coordinating your tradesmen etc, this would be pretty basic project management which any decent builder will be able to do. What I am referring to in the smaller jobs category would be something like knocking a wall from a kitchen through to a living room. If you were to attempt to sub out all the trades involved you may be talking about a plumber, electrician, carpenter, blocklayer, plasterer, tiler, carpet fitter, decorator and a project manager. It would end up taking a long time and costing a lot of money. The only tasks a competent builder shouldn't undertake are, in my opinion, the wiring obv and perhaps the plumbing. As for your 'jack of all trades' taking on complete extensions or new builds etc, it usually wouldn't be a good idea.

wirehairmax

Ok then if you wanted your house roofed would you ask a Blocklayer to do it? If your building a block wall would you call a plumber? If you needed a couple if rooms skimmed would you ask a painter?
Each to their own. There is no such thing as someone who can do everything and do it to the required standard.
I'm sorry but I've seen too many chancers come onto sites proclaiming they were able to do everything and more than likely I ran them after a matter of hours or days. When you see a van with all the writing proclaiming to be everything : electricians, plumbers, roofers, tilers, painters etc it usually means abseloutely nothing except trouble. These experts are nothing except glorified handymen who are barely fit to put together flatpack Argos crap.

kilclon

wirehairmax wrote: »

Ok then if you wanted your house roofed would you ask a Blocklayer to do it? If your building a block wall would you call a plumber? If you needed a couple if rooms skimmed would you ask a painter?

Why would you do any of that? You're asking for trouble then.

wirehairmax

kilclon wrote: »

Why would you do any of that? You're asking for trouble then.

But that's exactly what the op is proclaiming he can do!!!!!!!
Has the penny dropped yet?

kilclon

Has what penny dropped? Calm down.

He said he was proficient in plumbing and a few wet trades where there is strong crossover at a basic level. I don't know the OP so I can't vouch for whether this is true or not but to make blanket statements as you did in your first post is unfair.

Other than that all I am saying is that doing 'builders work' requires being competent in many trades to some degree.

If I wanted a wall built I would get someone who was competent in building walls. If I also knew they were an excellent tiler, I wouldn't not get them because I had them pigeonholed as a wall builder.

I think we have derailed the thread enough. You think 'jacks of all trades' aren't worth a ****e, I think they can be sometimes