Sugar Beet Return

vermin99

First of all any update on sugar beet returning to ireland, when? Factory locations etc and also would you return to growing sugar beet or is it still profitable. Being from kilkenny it will have a big impact on life if it returns

Mad4simmental

You probably herd about the Lisheen mine location that is "suppost" to be the place they want to put it. Love to see it back would be good for everyone but i don't see it happening any time soon.

bob charles

I find it hard to see where the finance would come to build. They were looking for 25k from the growers first to do a bit of prep work. considering their partners would probably be British Sugar I would be very skeptical of getting involved. BS are no angels

merryberry

vermin99 wrote: »

First of all any update on sugar beet returning to ireland, when? Factory locations etc and also would you return to growing sugar beet or is it still profitable. Being from kilkenny it will have a big impact on life if it returns

Article in this weeks IFJ. Very ambitious and risky project in my opinion.

newholland mad

Yea and these 25k s dont grow on trees and thats only for 400 t of quota. Id say the banks would have a right laugh if you went in looking for 50k to grow beet in a factory that might be built somewhere sometime!!

case885

Surely its not worth it these days the way price of land is gone, better off selling it to the farmer and wont have to travel half ways up the country. Doesn't seem viable to me.

hughjohn

vermin99 wrote: »

First of all any update on sugar beet returning to ireland, when? Factory locations etc and also would you return to growing sugar beet or is it still profitable. Being from kilkenny it will have a big impact on life if it returns

"what's lost is lost and gone forever" (Phil Coulter). Dream on my friend, people will blow hot air and denigrate the naysayers but I would not return to it if they paid me the 25k. Move on is my suggestion , nothing lasts forever.

Harrier1980

I said it before on here and got a tongue lashing. Sugar beet is currently been driven by nostalgia, or if you like a certain cohort preying on nostalgia. I don't know of any sound business (or plan) built on nostalgia.

We'll said by previous poster, accept, adapt and move on.

merryberry

Harrier1980 wrote: »

I said it before on here and got a tongue lashing. Sugar beet is currently been driven by nostalgia, or if you like a certain cohort preying on nostalgia. I don't know of any sound business (or plan) built on nostalgia.

We'll said by previous poster, accept, adapt and move on.

Nostalgia perhaps but this should be no substitute for motivation. Can someone tell me what is inspiring this project???? EU court of auditor’s findings against the failures of EU reform in 2006 which ultimately lead to the demise of the sector, high sugar import costs, by products put to better use. At a 400m investment, surely these guys are not idiots driven by nostalgia and that is what concerns me cos not since June 2010 has world sugar price been as low as is it now. The abolition of quotas in 2017 may only encourage additional production especially in France where over quota beet is put to alternative uses. Only those who can produce it efficiently can absorb volatility. No something is not right with this idea.

20silkcut

Harrier1980 wrote: »

I said it before on here and got a tongue lashing. Sugar beet is currently been driven by nostalgia, or if you like a certain cohort preying on nostalgia. I don't know of any sound business (or plan) built on nostalgia.

We'll said by previous poster, accept, adapt and move on.

I never heard such a stupid argument in my entire life.

Nostalgia is looking at old photos and listening to old songs and watching old videos etc.

What in the name of god has it got to do with sugar production which is still a valuable consumer product?

The EU court of auditors stated in effect that Ireland should still be producing its own sugar.
And a few jobs might be created in the process.

Harrier1980

20silkcut wrote: »

I never heard such a stupid argument in my entire life.

Nostalgia is looking at old photos and listening to old songs and watching old videos etc.

What in the name of god has it got to do with sugar production which is still a valuable consumer product?

The EU court of auditors stated in effect that Ireland should still be producing its own sugar.
And a few jobs might be created in the process.

Bit harsh! Nostalgia is "a sentimental longing or wistful affection for a period in the past". Applicable from how I see it.

case885

20silkcut wrote: »

I never heard such a stupid argument in my entire life.

Nostalgia is looking at old photos and listening to old songs and watching old videos etc.

What in the name of god has it got to do with sugar production which is still a valuable consumer product?

The EU court of auditors stated in effect that Ireland should still be producing its own sugar.
And a few jobs might be created in the process.

That may be true if the factories were still there it would be madness investing in a new factory with the price fellas are getting of farmers now 45/50 a tonne, and if it was to be one factory in the midlands thats a long journey for fellas in cork, south tipp, waterford wouldnt be worth there while.

newholland mad

20silkcut wrote: »

I never heard such a stupid argument in my entire life.

Nostalgia is looking at old photos and listening to old songs and watching old videos etc.

What in the name of god has it got to do with sugar production which is still a valuable consumer product?

The EU court of auditors stated in effect that Ireland should still be producing its own sugar.
And a few jobs might be created in the process.

Would you risk 25 grand of your hard earned to allow you to grow 16 or 17 ac of beet. Be great (jobs nostalgia etc) ok but i think i will take the traditional irish attitude and sit back and let someone else take the risk.

20silkcut

newholland mad wrote: »

Would you risk 25 grand of your hard earned to allow you to grow 16 or 17 ac of beet. Be great (jobs nostalgia etc) ok but i think i will take the traditional irish attitude and sit back and let someone else take the risk.

Was talking to a farmer this evening who spent 80 grand on a Mc hale fusion.

Yes I would totally risk 25000 to to grow beet.
Dairy farmers up and down the country are risking huge sums of money as we speak building sheds, buying stock etc.

20silkcut

Harrier1980 wrote: »

Bit harsh! Nostalgia is "a sentimental longing or wistful affection for a period in the past". Applicable from how I see it.

Every farmer in the country could be accused of that. Why do farmers milk cows when there are robots to do it for them.
Nostalgic so and so's.

Beet production in Ireland just happens to be in the past.

Over in England and the continent it is not a nostalgic pursuit but a very much everyday farming industry.

And it has been officially stated that there is no reason that it can't be pursued in Ireland either.

Harrier1980

20silkcut wrote: »

Every farmer in the country could be accused of that. Why do farmers milk cows when there are robots to do it for them.
Nostalgic so and so's.

Beet production in Ireland just happens to be in the past.

Over in England and the continent it is not a nostalgic pursuit but a very much everyday farming industry.

And it has been officially stated that there is no reason that it can't be pursued in Ireland either.

I think your missing my point above, never mind forget it!