How are bus diversions agreed

Fratton Fred

Ok, it's a local issue, but with roadworks on Breffni Road in Sandycove/Dalkey, buses are being diverted miles away, when the obvious thing is to run them along Elton Park road.

Why do Dublin Bus insist on going all the way up to Glenageary Road?

Sandycove and Glasthule has no bus service yet again.

Alun

Just looking at Elton Park Road on Streetview there, not that wide and lots of overhanging trees.

https://www.google.com/maps/preview/@53.284412,-6.115575,3a,90y,280.56h,84.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjEOKfr3W7SNkzNXRQS5L5A!2e0

Could be the reason.

Fratton Fred

Alun wrote: »

Just looking at Elton Park Road on Streetview there, not that wide and lots of overhanging trees.

https://www.google.com/maps/preview/@53.284412,-6.115575,3a,90y,280.56h,84.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sjEOKfr3W7SNkzNXRQS5L5A!2e0

Could be the reason.

It's wider than half the roads the 59 go as along, especially Barnhill Road. It also runs up to Killiney village.

It just seems like lazy planning by Dublin Bus.

GTE

It is probably as simple as that tree in the link that was provided. Locals would not be best pleased getting a chuck of the tree taken out just for a temp diversion.

LXFlyer

bbk wrote: »

It is probably as simple as that tree in the link that was provided. Locals would not be best pleased getting a chuck of the tree taken out just for a temp diversion.

Exactly - you could not operate double deck buses on that road for that reason, without cutting back all of the low hanging trees.

Otherwise you'd end up with double deck buses with chunks taken out of them.

cdebru

Fratton Fred wrote: »

It's wider than half the roads the 59 go as along, especially Barnhill Road. It also runs up to Killiney village.

It just seems like lazy planning by Dublin Bus.

Yeah just laziness nothing to do with the low hanging trees it's not like a tree could damage a bus or anything.....


http://darraghdoyle.blogspot.ie/2009/02/roof-ripped-off-dublin-bus-photos-from.html

GTE

cdebru wrote: »

Yeah just laziness nothing to do with the low hanging trees it's not like a tree could damage a bus or anything.....


http://darraghdoyle.blogspot.ie/2009/02/roof-ripped-off-dublin-bus-photos-from.html

It always surprised me how the roof slid off like that. I read (here) that it is some design element of double deckers which seems odd, quite odd.

Carawaystick

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Ok, it's a local issue, but with roadworks on Breffni Road in Sandycove/Dalkey, buses are being diverted miles away, when the obvious thing is to run them along Elton Park road.

Why do Dublin Bus insist on going all the way up to Glenageary Road?

Sandycove and Glasthule has no bus service yet again.

You could make AIE requests to Dublin Bus and the NTA and the local authority.
and then quote bullsh1te reasons used.....

dfx-

bbk wrote: »

It always surprised me how the roof slid off like that. I read (here) that it is some design element of double deckers which seems odd, quite odd.

How much damage was caused by the tree and was the rest cut off by the fire brigade? Surely the whole thing didn't slide off

AV167 (I think, maybe AV168?) that lost its roof on the 19 when it was almost new in an argument with a low bridge is the only other example of AVs to lose its head completely that I've seen.

Conway635

dfx- wrote: »

How much damage was caused by the tree and was the rest cut off by the fire brigade? Surely the whole thing didn't slide off
.

The entire roof did come off.

A similar model bus in London (i.e ALX400 body) lost an entire roof after clipping a tree in almost identical circumstances a few years earlier: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2537989.stm

And another ALX400 lost whole roof after hitting overhanging branches in Bristol. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15427321


That body is no longer manufactured.

C635

sawdoubters

they use the quickest way to get back on route

Michael D Not Higgins

Conway635 wrote: »

The entire roof did come off.

A similar model bus in London (i.e ALX400 body) lost an entire roof after clipping a tree in almost identical circumstances a few years earlier: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/2537989.stm

And another ALX400 lost whole roof after hitting overhanging branches in Bristol. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-15427321


That body is no longer manufactured.

C635

The roof on older buses could collapse into the space occupied by passengers causing serious injuries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5afeZCthiw

cbl593h

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

The roof on older buses could collapse into the space occupied by passengers causing serious injuries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5afeZCthiw

Better version with an upstairs camera.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEXaDtXemy0

Waste of a lovely VR.....:eek:

Didn't the Waterford-London Eurolines/Bus Éireann service come to grief at that same bridge in Swindon in the early 90's? I remember the driver was sacked and a court case ensued regarding "route knowledge" of BÉ work outside Ireland.

Fratton Fred

sawdoubters wrote: »

they use the quickest way to get back on route

They aren't in this case, or in the case of the current no.8 diversion.

LXFlyer

They are using the nearest roads suitable for double deck buses.

Fratton Fred

lxflyer wrote: »

They are using the nearest roads suitable for double deck buses.

I can't see why they don't use Hyde Road for the 8 and Elton Park for the 7d and 59. Then on to the normal route at the Charles Fitzgerald.

There are trees along Elton Park, but nowhere near as low as Google maps indicates, a bit of minor pruning and a double decker would fit no problem.

GTE

Fratton Fred wrote: »

minor pruning and a double decker would fit no problem.

By using some logic and common sense, all you have to do is look at how high up a light post a double decker goes and then you can get at least the impression that a little more than a minor prune is required.




Minor pruning indeed. :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

bbk wrote: »

By using some logic and common sense, all you have to do is look at how high up a light post a double decker goes and then you can get at least the impression that a little more than a minor prune is required.




Minor pruning indeed. :rolleyes:

A tree with leaves on in the winter, remarkable.

Or maybe that's an old photo. That tree is nowhere near that low now, which is hardly surprising, that would hit a transit van.