Worlds first moneyless pub

Annasopra

I was just reading about The Happy Pig - the worlds first moneyless pub

http://www.permaculture.co.uk/news/2801144280/worlds-first-moneyless-pub

http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/thehappypig

Its an interesting project. I wonder where it is.

Stavros Murphy

According to the Local Publican, he has one of them as well. He even had to sell the merc.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Sounds too hipsterish to me. I'd rather pay for a creamy Guinness than drink free hooch.

Mickey H

How do they make money?

Fr_Dougal

Thinly veiled "support this crowfunding project" thread.

My name is URL

Mickey H wrote: »

How do they make money?

Selling books by the look of it :pac:

Mark Boyle is the co-founder of An Teach Saor and author of The Moneyless Manifesto, which we are offering for 25% off the cover price (and free p&p in the UK)

sawdoubters

bunk beds in the pig pen

sign me up

BillyMitchel

Sounds like it be flooded with coke and hookers.

Where exactly is this place?

Annasopra

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Thinly veiled "support this crowfunding project" thread.

I didnt ask for support

I have absolutely no links to the project

I know nothing about the project

WoollyRedHat

Sounds interesting. How will they keep the beer flowing though?

Fr_Dougal

mango salsa wrote: »

I didnt ask for support

I have absolutely no links to the project

I know nothing about the project

Suuuure. That's why you posted a second link to the crowdfunding donation page.

Ronin247

Bunch of fcuking hippies looking for someone to fund a bar for them........ necks like a jockeys bollix

JupiterKid

Sounds very new age hippy commune to me. But I wish them the best of luck with their venture.

WoollyRedHat

Ronin247 wrote: »

Bunch of fcuking hippies looking for someone to fund a bar for them........ necks like a jockeys bollix

That'll do pig, that'll do.

Augmerson

Thought this was about the Dail bar.

Arthur Beesley

Can someone who has read the article post a TLDR with an explanation of how it will work?

I read the first paragraph and concluded that life is too short to be reading ****e like that.

urabell

What a load of nonsense

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

Can someone who has read the article post a TLDR with an explanation of how it will work?

I read the first paragraph and concluded that life is too short to be reading ****e like that.

It won't work

The Backwards Man

Hey everyone, support my campaign to be the first moneyless millionaire

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/iamascamartistscumbag

Arthur Beesley

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Hey everyone, support my campaign to be the first moneyless millionaire

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/iamascamartistscumbag

There's more to life than money.

biko

Fair play to him. Might pop down for a pint or two myself.

Senna

So its a shebeen, pretty much the same as the dozens of others in Ireland?

tommacg

mango salsa wrote: »

I was just reading about The Happy Pig - the worlds first moneyless pub

http://www.permaculture.co.uk/news/2801144280/worlds-first-moneyless-pub

http://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/thehappypig

Its an interesting project. I wonder where it is.

Cheers for the interest Mango Salsa - the project's in Galway. For clarity, this project is more about creating a community event space, and a place for free courses in sustainable skills to be held. Unfortunately one publication picked up on it as a "moneyless pub", which obviously catches the imagination, but it's far more than that. Have a read of the blurb and that should be clear.

As for jibes about being a moneyless millionaire, scam artist etc. it's seriously unclear where you are coming from though I'd be happy to discuss it. For one thing, though I'm sure the author himself could clarify it better, in a very unusual move for an author the books are available for free online under creative commons. This crowdfunding campaign is entirely separate, a communal initiative which we foresee benefiting hundreds, possibly thousands of people. Would perhaps be more constructive to aim criticisms at bankers, ruthless capitalists, power-hungry politicians etc. Maybe hippies shouldn't be your biggest concern

For Forks Sake

David Holmgren, co-originator of permaculture, recently spoke out about the necessity to move towards "largely non-monetary household and local community economies" in his widely discussed recent article, 'Crash on Demand'. If Holmgren is correct, in order for permaculture principles and praxis to form an integral part of whatever comes next, permaculture is not only going to have to pioneer the practical ways in which we meet our physical needs by closing the loop, but also the spirit in which we close it. One route towards this would be for permaculture to meet the emerging, but ancient, idea of the gift economy.

*scratches head*

What am I after reading?

Stavros Murphy

For Forks Sake wrote: »

*scratches head*

What am I after reading?

Hippies..blah..blah..art...blah...give money...blah...booze...la la land...waffle...doomed...pay for my fun...blah.

Basically.

urabell

tommacg wrote: »

Cheers for the interest Mango Salsa - the project's in Galway. For clarity, this project is more about creating a community event space, and a place for free courses in sustainable skills to be held. Unfortunately one publication picked up on it as a "moneyless pub", which obviously catches the imagination, but it's far more than that. Have a read of the blurb and that should be clear.

As for jibes about being a moneyless millionaire, scam artist etc. it's seriously unclear where you are coming from though I'd be happy to discuss it. For one thing, though I'm sure the author himself could clarify it better, in a very unusual move for an author the books are available for free online under creative commons. This crowdfunding campaign is entirely separate, a communal initiative which we foresee benefiting hundreds, possibly thousands of people. Would perhaps be more constructive to aim criticisms at bankers, ruthless capitalists, power-hungry politicians etc. Maybe hippies shouldn't be your biggest concern

Wealth creators you mean?

MadsL

urabell wrote: »

What a load of nonsense



It won't work

I mean it is not like a gift economy supports a week long festival in the Nevada desert for 65 thousand people and countless regional events woldwide...oh wait.

http://www.burningman.com/

Iwasfrozen

MadsL wrote: »

I mean it is not like a gift economy supports a week long festival in the Nevada desert for 65 thousand people and countless regional events woldwide...oh wait.

http://www.burningman.com/

I'll stick with money thanks.

tommacg

urabell wrote: »

Wealth creators you mean?

First of all, wealth for whom? - http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/world/wealth-of-85-richest-people-equal-to-that-of-poorest-3-5bn-1.1661670

Secondly, your definition of wealth seems to be skewed towards the financial/monetary. Look up Jodha's paradox for one, the phenomenon of being income poorer, yet better off.

tommacg

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I'll stick with money thanks.

That's your prerogative, but back in the real world, non-monetary and gift transactions massively outweigh monetary transactions (did your mother charge you when she minded you as a kid?).

Dravokivich

tommacg wrote: »

That's your prerogative, but back in the real world, non-monetary and gift transactions massively outweigh monetary transactions (did your mother charge you when she minded you as a kid?).

So we shouldn't expect a wage after a days work?

tommacg

Dravokivich wrote: »

So we shouldn't expect a wage after a days work?

I definitely didn't say that (although, of course, most wages comprise exploitative extractions of profit) - please re-read, you totally missed my point.

Dyr

tommacg wrote: »

Cheers for the interest Mango Salsa - the project's in Galway.

I stopped reading at "galway"

new age hipster scam confirmed

Iwasfrozen

tommacg wrote: »

That's your prerogative, but back in the real world, non-monetary and gift transactions massively outweigh monetary transactions (did your mother charge you when she minded you as a kid?).

No but then the relationship between mother and child is hardly comparable to the relationship between a publican and client.

Eddie Izzard does a good job of showing how inconvenient a world without money would be. Take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GLRNnEmwdU&t=3m8s

tommacg

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

No but then the relationship between mother and child is hardly comparable to the relationship between a publican and client.

Eddie Izzard does a good job of showing how inconvenient a world without money would be. Take a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GLRNnEmwdU&t=3m8s

Riiiiiight....so because Eddie Izzard has trouble with barter, thus it follows that gift relations aren't workable either. Hmm...better tell that to wikipedia, Streetbank, freecycle etc. I'd suggest reading the anthropological history of gift economies in something like David Graeber's book Debt: The First 5000 Years

tommacg

Bambi wrote: »

I stopped reading at "galway"

new age hipster scam confirmed

Nice to know you're a good open-minded soul

ScumLord

tommacg wrote: »

Cheers for the interest Mango Salsa - the project's in Galway. For clarity, this project is more about creating a community event space, and a place for free courses in sustainable skills to be held.

It sounds a bit like the Men's Shed initiative that's being set up around the country, except maybe not as specific to a particular group.

The fact Irish people would dismiss it so easily as hippy nonsense probably means it has merit and could be helpful to the community. You're going to have every shop and pub owner within 20 miles making all sorts of accusations. We don't like our monopolies challenged.

BBDBB

how is this news?

Ive left dozens of pubs with no money

Capt'n Midnight

Arthur Beesley wrote: »

There's more to life than money.

many people have a reputation for honesty when in reality their price is too high


another way of looking is that an honest politician is one when bought, stays bought,

Iwasfrozen

tommacg wrote: »

Riiiiiight....so because Eddie Izzard has trouble with barter, thus it follows that gift relations aren't workable either. Hmm...better tell that to wikipedia, Streetbank, freecycle etc. I'd suggest reading the anthropological history of gift economies in something like David Graeber's book Debt: The First 5000 Years

Go on then. Explain how Eddie should have approached buying a bacon butty. In other words I want you to apply the generalized mechanisms of a barter economy to a real world scenario.