electrician wiring his own self build if not registered

sparks3000

Hi im about to start a new build and im wondering if I am allowed wire this myself.im not registered or insured because I work for a company . Will eccsa certify this for me as I am a qualified electrician or with new regulations can only a registered electrician carry out the works and certify it

BryanF

sparks3000 wrote: »

im not registered or insured...Will eccsa certify this for me as I am a qualified electrician or with new regulations can only a registered electrician carry out the works and certify it

why not just register?
a certifier should not accept this
why not contact ecssa and ask them?

Andrew_Doran

It doesn't matter if your name is Nicola Tesla you're still not allowed to so much as take the cover off the DB, because the law says that you don't have a clue what you're doing unless you're a REC. Complain to your TD.

Smacanri

I agree with Andrew, we have to lobby the TD’s. The TEEU had discussions with Minister Pat Rabbitte but he won’t move. And it gets worse, the legislation provides for 3 years imprisonment for a qualified electrician who replaces a RCD in their own home.

On P::12 of Decision Paper on the Scope of Restricted Electrical Works

“(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €15,000 or a term of imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or both.”

A bit extreme! Even stranger is that no certification is needed for MV.
The whole issue of changes seems to be based on club membership, not qualifications. It seems to me to be something which could be also challenged in the courts on the basis of equality.

When we look at prison sentences which have been handed down, or not handed down in this state, for the most despicable crimes, I can only say Minister Pat Rabbitte must have a deep contempt for electricians.

I wrote to the CER as I would be also interested to know how the prosecution would work, but I got no reply.

I will wait until retirement before do any such illegal work, then prison won’t be as much a inconvenience.
I would like to see some campaign going before the European Elections

sparks3000

Thanks for the information, it is disgraceful. I made enquires and in order for me to legally wire my own house and to certify it , it would end up costing - €300 to register
- €200 approx for insurance
- €300 approx to do a course for testing and certification
- € ??? Test equipment , have a relations equipment but it would have to be calibrated


Time to start lobbying but like the property tax and water charges complaints will fall on deaf ears.

Isityourself

It's just another ridiculous easy money making scheme by govt. I wonder how many electricians are passing no heed on this safe electric registration and still doing nixers???! I'd say loads and I'd also say loads of the work is top notch.

sawdoubters

pay a certified electrician to certifies it

kupus

Christ im just after seeing this..... Im familiar with electrics and I know how to do it, so are you telling me I cant wire more lights and sockets in the garden shed which Ive turned into a workshop? It already has a feed coming from the box. Im just adding more power points and lights.

sawdoubters

biggest causes of electrical fires

adding more sockets and lights

kupus

unless you know what youre doing....which i do

Smacanri

I saw another case in a friends house, a ring main fed from both sides by a 20A MCB, and that was done by a REC.

BryanF

Smacanri wrote: »

I saw another case in a friends house, a ring main fed from both sides by a 20A MCB, and that was done by a REC.

report it to REC, and don't bother us, thanks

Smacanri

REC didn't survive the Celtic Tiger!

BryanF

Smacanri wrote: »

REC didn't survive the Celtic Tiger!

you wont survive here for very long at this rate

foxy farmer

Contact RECI/ECSSA and find out if they can certify it after. Their inspectors would be doing this sort of work anyway as spot checks on regd sparks. I wired workshop for a buddy back in 98. Wasnt long after finishing Apprenticeship. Rang RECI and they sent out inspector. Not cheap though. Inspection took about an hour and he issued cert before leaving.

newbie2013

For talks sake, a qualified electrician wires a house up, the house gets finished and when it's time for a cert to turn the leccy on, the electrician has move down under and won't be returning. I think you can get the reci to come test it and give you a cert

sparks3000

Reci will not certify a house a house for you any more.

Smacanri

Sparks3000 is correct, that's history. You'll have to register, Otherwise you could 3 years in jail if you do it.

see: On P::12 of Decision Paper on the Scope of Restricted Electrical Works

“(b) on conviction on indictment to a fine not exceeding €15,000 or a term of imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or both.”

OK you might get away with 6 months if it's the first offence.
Just lobby your TD to get this changed.

Smacanri

Anyone lobbying their TD to get this changed, might also consider also mentioning the new laws which will also prevent anyone building a house using direct labour.
Now only a registered can build a house. We're slowly becoming a police state.

BryanF

Smacanri wrote: »

We're slowly becoming a police state.

we are not interested in your rants. try the politics forum.

Smacanri

OK,
I'll Try something more political. Just give me a while to think about it!

banned for ignoring a mod instruction

Andrew_Doran

sparks3000 wrote: »

- € ??? Test equipment , have a relations equipment but it would have to be calibrated

You can rent calibrated multifunction testers for about 50 quid a week. I did before the new law came in to do minor work on my own house.

However, the wording of the new law (the statutory instrument) is very woolly. It says it's OK to for Joe Soap to add a socket to a radial circuit, but then also refers to electrical testing as being something that is forbidden, so Joe Soap can't test his work. The "it'll be grand" school of correctness.

brightspark

Andrew_Doran wrote: »

You can rent calibrated multifunction testers for about 50 quid a week. I did before the new law came in to do minor work on my own house.

Where can you rent them from? I wouldn't mind checking my own house impedances and trip times.

Andrew_Doran

brightspark wrote: »

Where can you rent them from? I wouldn't mind checking my own house impedances and trip times.

Replied by PM. If anyone else would like the details please drop me a PM.

TomaszF

Does anyone know, are foreign qualifications accepted for joining RECI?