Irish Rail fares in Dublin

Carawaystick

How can IE justify charging 5.70 from Rush and Lusk to Howth Junction
and 3.55 from Rush and Lusk to Howth? which goes through HJ?:mad:

Heisenberg1

Carawaystick wrote: »

How can IE justify charging 5.70 from Rush and Lusk to Howth Junction
and 3.55 from Rush and Lusk to Howth? which goes through HJ?:mad:

Buy the second one problem sorted

n97 mini

5.70 to Sutton aswell.

Whole load of barmy fares in the system. You need to be on your toes to get the best ones. Snooze and you lose etc.

foggy_lad

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Buy the second one problem sorted

You are not allowed to do this, It is fare evasion to buy a ticket to a different station than your destination because it is a cheaper fare.

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/CompleteCIEBye-Laws1.pdf

6. When the fare to an intermediate station exceeds the fare to a more
distant station, no person shall, for the purpose of travelling to such
intermediate station, take or use or attempt to use a ticket for the more
distant station with intent to avoid payment of the additional fare to such
intermediate station. The liability to or infliction of any penalty incurred by
the contravention of this Bye-Law shall not prejudice any right of the Board
to treat such ticket as forfeited and to recover the full fare for the distance
actually travelled by the offender.

Wichita Lineman

A typically Irish solution. Make the cheaper option illegal just in case the consumer figures it out!

foggy_lad wrote: »

You are not allowed to do this, It is fare evasion to buy a ticket to a different station than your destination because it is a cheaper fare.

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/CompleteCIEBye-Laws1.pdf

Heisenberg1

foggy_lad wrote: »

You are not allowed to do this, It is fare evasion to buy a ticket to a different station than your destination because it is a cheaper fare.

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/CompleteCIEBye-Laws1.pdf

But you want to go to howth Jct no?? Which is before howth so I don't see a problem from buying the ticket to howth.

LXFlyer

The NTA are realigning the fares in the Dublin suburban area to move to distance based zonal fares and eliminate fare anomalies that have been there for whatever reason.

However, in their wisdom, they have decided to do it on a phased basis, and started in December 2013 with 269 station pairings that were lightly used being changed.

The problem with that is that it has thrown up new fare anomalies as in the OP, which won't be fixed until next December at the earliest.

Here's the rationale from the fares determination in December:

The Authority has therefore specifically tried to avoid making changes that will result in large increases or decreases for significant numbers of passengers, to both protect revenue and the impact on passengers. The Authority has continued the process that began last year of reclassifying incorrect Origin-Destination pairings, but has limited the changes (which will either reduce or increase fares) to pairings that have demonstrated very low levels of patronage (on average, one single ticket per station per day) so that impacts on customers of increases will be minimal. The Authority will continue to remove fare anomalies exist on a phased basis over the
coming years.

Hilly Bill

Carawaystick wrote: »

How can IE justify charging 5.70 from Rush and Lusk to Howth Junction
and 3.55 from Rush and Lusk to Howth? which goes through HJ?:mad:

Thats a strange one alright seeing that its €3.55 as far as Clontarf road. Where you charged that or saw it on the web site?

foggy_lad

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

But you want to go to howth Jct no?? Which is before howth so I don't see a problem from buying the ticket to howth.

You are not allowed buy a ticket for a farther station than your destination if that fare is cheaper and your ticket for Howth should be rejected by the barriers in Howth Junction.

Basically you are not allowed get off at a station before what is printed on your ticket if the standard fare to that closer station is more than the fare you have paid.

bikeman1

foggy_lad wrote: »

You are not allowed buy a ticket for a farther station than your destination if that fare is cheaper and your ticket for Howth should be rejected by the barriers in Howth Junction.

Basically you are not allowed get off at a station before what is printed on your ticket if the standard fare to that closer station is more than the fare you have paid.

Oh no, I have just realised that I have a lift coming to pick me up and save me waiting for the Howth DART. Looks like I have to get off here instead...

Total rubbish about a ticket being rejected. If I buy a single to Bray from Malahide and decide at Blackrock I want to get off, the barriers will of course open.

foggy_lad

bikeman1 wrote: »

Oh no, I have just realised that I have a lift coming to pick me up and save me waiting for the Howth DART. Looks like I have to get off here instead...

Total rubbish about a ticket being rejected. If I buy a single to Bray from Malahide and decide at Blackrock I want to get off, the barriers will of course open.

I agree that it is total rubbish but as it stands and supported by the bye-laws if a single to Blackrock or any intermediate station is dearer than the single to Bray then you can be stopped by the rpu or any authorised person and fined for fare evasion.

bikeman1

foggy_lad wrote: »

I agree that it is total rubbish but as it stands and supported by the bye-laws if a single to Blackrock or any intermediate station is dearer than the single to Bray then you can be stopped by the rpu or any authorised person and fined for fare evasion.

I understand the bye laws. But if one was to buy a return from Rush & Lusk to Howth even though they were only going to Howth Junction.

On alighting at HJ and getting checked why they have a ticket to Howth and are getting off there, all you have to say is, I will be returning from Howth later and off you go.

Look its IEs and the NTAs fault if they have changed some of the fare structures but not all of them. There are plenty more anomalies.

Same idea if you want to buy a cheap online ticket from say Connolly to Belfast, but live in Malahide. You can use the cheap online ticket to travel from Malahide - Drogheda and change onto the Enterprise. You don't have to pay for a ticket to Connolly and only then can you use the cheaper online ticket.

Carawaystick

Hilly Bill wrote: »

Thats a strange one alright seeing that its €3.55 as far as Clontarf road. Where you charged that or saw it on the web site?

saw on website.

Assumed it's a website anomaly, but now think its a public sector snafu

Carawaystick

bikeman1 wrote: »

I understand the bye laws. But if one was to buy a return from Rush & Lusk to Howth even though they were only going to Howth Junction.

I'd say there's reasonable doubt as you most likely have to buy from a machine... When you ask to double check, a machine isn't gonna testify

I think IÉ would have to prove intent that a person wanted to act illegally, as opposed to a person went to HJ&D and thought they could get to Howth faster some other way....

Fred Swanson

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