Which game will decide the tournament?

stpaddy99

it seems to me that these look like the biggest matches, the ones where it could posisbly go either way and decide the title. I also think scotland v france/england will be crucial but not title deciders

France V England
Ireland V Wales
Wales V France
England V ireland
England V wales
France V ireland

I would say its France V england and ireland V wales. because these 2 matches set the tone for the whole championships

Frankly the welsh game means more than the english one this season after gatland disrespected BOD...we need to smash them

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

No single game will decide any competition run on a league basis

/thread

Larbre34

Churlish responses from UMSE aside, I think England v France is coming too early for that cup final feel, the patterns will be established by Rd 3, so England v Ireland for me.

Rigor Mortis

Ireland v Wales decides it. If they win in Dublin they will win the Championship. If we arrive in Twickenham with two wins behind us we will be real contenders

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Larbre34 wrote: »

Churlish responses from UMSE aside, I think England v France is coming too early for that cup final feel, the patterns will be established by Rd 3, so England v Ireland for me.

I think such a ridiculous question deserves it really. It's a wide open tournament and pin-pointing one game that will "decide" it doesn't hold any water for me

Gambas

stpaddy99 wrote: »

gatland disrespected BOD

Christ.

stpaddy99

Larbre34 wrote: »

Churlish responses from UMSE aside, I think England v France is coming too early for that cup final feel, the patterns will be established by Rd 3, so England v Ireland for me.

agreed about the churlishness....thanks for the response.
can we take england at twickers?

stpaddy99

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

I think such a ridiculous question deserves it really. It's a wide open tournament and pin-pointing one game that will "decide" it doesn't hold any water for me

get a life

andymx11

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

No single game will decide any competition run on a league basis

/thread

Jesus christ talk about being an arse! We all know what thr OP is getting at no need for such a pointless reply.

Back on topic I would imagne Ireland V England will be of major importance to either teams chances. If Ireland have 3 out of 5 that trip to France becomes easier.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

andymx11 wrote: »

Jesus christ talk about being an arse! We all know what thr OP is getting at no need for such a pointless reply.

Back on topic I would imagne Ireland V England will be of major importance to either teams chances. If Ireland have 3 out of 5 that trip to France becomes easier.

I don't. It's impossible to define any game that will decide the tournament. It's a totally pointless exersize trying to pin it down to one game

But enjoy regardless

stpaddy99

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

I don't. It's impossible to define any game that will decide the tournament. It's a totally pointless exersize trying to pin it down to one game

But enjoy regardless

if its pointless stop trolling and leave us enjoy our chat

andymx11

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

I don't. It's impossible to define any game that will decide the tournament. It's a totally pointless exersize trying to pin it down to one game

But enjoy regardless

Yes pin down any one game is pointless but i'm sure the OP was looking for the the "key" games of the 6 nations e.g England might be hot favourites to beat Italy so lets not define that game as a "key" game to their championship however their game against Wales or even us might be.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

stpaddy99 wrote: »

if its pointless stop trolling and leave us enjoy our chat

You can't even pick a single game that will decide it:

stpaddy99 wrote: »

I would say its France V england and ireland V wales. because these 2 matches set the tone for the whole championships

It's a league, some games have more impact than others but the notion that one game will decide it doesn't make sense.

sydthebeat

the final game

Bridge93

This is a ridiculous thread, literally any game could 'decide' the competition.
One of the big teams losing to Italy or Scotland could decide it. Equally any of the matches between the four could decide it.
Or none as they will more than likely beat each other so no one game will be defining. You can't pick one game and say it is the deciding game unless Ireland and France get to the last game unbeaten otherwise there is always another permutation that could decide the championship.

Every game being a decider depends on what had gone before and comes after it to be considered the decider.
I've rambled a lot so I'll sum up. Pointless thread.

Grimebox

Every match is a must-win important match for every team

rrpc

Sometimes there are no grand slams available and when that happens, even the most predictable matches become deciders. It may not be the result that's the deciding factor but the actual score as we well know having come short twice on that front under EOS.

stpaddy99

Bridge93 wrote: »

This is a ridiculous thread, literally any game could 'decide' the competition.
One of the big teams losing to Italy or Scotland could decide it. Equally any of the matches between the four could decide it.
Or none as they will more than likely beat each other so no one game will be defining. You can't pick one game and say it is the deciding game unless Ireland and France get to the last game unbeaten otherwise there is always another permutation that could decide the championship.

Every game being a decider depends on what had gone before and comes after it to be considered the decider.
I've rambled a lot so I'll sum up. Pointless thread.

no its not pintless at all , its a prediction, so it cant be right or worng until the results are known. its a prediction, if you think its pointless then dont reply

justsomebloke

Italy and Scotland have just as much chance of deciding where the trophy goes by raining on someone else's parade

Hagz

The match that will decide the winner will be England v Ireland.

stpaddy99

justsomebloke wrote: »

Italy and Scotland have just as much chance of deciding where the trophy goes by raining on someone else's parade

no they dont, theyre weaker teams

Kayless

I have went for England vs Ireland because I think* England will beat France this weekend and I think* Ireland will beat Wales (in a very tight game) next weekend, thus both teams should be going into that match with 2 wins, so you'd have to think the team that wins that particular match stands a very good chance of winning the whole tournament.

andymx11

stpaddy99 wrote: »

no they dont, theyre weaker teams

I was defending you earlier but now I must disagree. Each nation, no matter how good or bad always have the chance of beating a top tier team therefore affecting the championship. e.g Italy V France 2013, Scotland V Ireland 2013 etc

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

stpaddy99 wrote: »

no they dont, theyre weaker teams

So because they're weaker teams they can't effect the outcome of the trophy by beating one of the stronger teams? Of course they can

ssaye2

Wales lost to Ireland at home and won the tournament last year.

Funny old game.

stpaddy99

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

So because they're weaker teams they can't effect the outcome of the trophy by beating one of the stronger teams? Of course they can

I didnt say that. I was asking which will be the title decider? theyre unlikely to beat any of the top teams this season. why dont you leave the thread if you think its a waste of space?

MongotheBongo

People are being really petty, you know what the OP means, technically any game can decide it but you know that if Ireland beat France and go on to win it then that will be the game that decided it for ireland given their track record in Paris.

Ugo Monye doesn't run this forum and shouldn't have been so dismissive of another poster's thread in my opinion.

.ak

MongotheBongo wrote: »

People are being really petty, you know what the OP means, technically any game can decide it but you know that if Ireland beat France and go on to win it then that will be the game that decided it for ireland given their track record in Paris.

Ugo Monye doesn't run this forum and shouldn't have been so dismissive of another poster's thread in my opinion.

There's been plenty of warnings about back seat moderation on the forum - you're also on two final warnings. Banned.

CatFromHue

There's certainly a big one first up in France - England. If France lose I can't see them winning the comp as if they lose I can't see them winning in Wales.

Actually every weekend there's one big game
Wk 1: France England
Wk 2: Ire Wales
Wk 3: Eng Ire
Wk 4: Eng Wal
Wk 5: Fra Ire

Bridge93

stpaddy99 wrote: »

I didnt say that. I was asking which will be the title decider? theyre unlikely to beat any of the top teams this season. why dont you leave the thread if you think its a waste of space?

Well then if you're asking what the title decider is it can only be in the last week of games bar a freak set of results.
Any games before then can't be a title as a title decider means the title is won as a result of that game.
The majority if your games can't be title deciders.

[Jackass]

I think three of the six teams are capable of a grand slam (England, Ireland & Wales) and I suppose you can never write off the French in any competition, so really it's as open a six nations as you're ever going to see.

From an Irish perspective, I am confident we can and will beat Scotland and Wales at home, the next game away to England will decide if we can win the championship. If we do that, the trip to Paris may decide if we win a grand slam in the last game.

All very very speculative though, but the fixtures are set up for an exciting championship and I have a very good feeling about it.

sydthebeat

personally i dont think there will be a grand slam this year...... so "minor" teams certainly do have an influence where the championship will end up.

so saying that, i still stick by my last post in that the deciding game will be the last one.....

penybont exile

justsomebloke wrote: »

Italy and Scotland have just as much chance of deciding where the trophy goes by raining on someone else's parade

Correct ..... just like Italy did against England last year (even though they lost)

Swiwi.

No idea, how long is a piece of string?

For this weekend, however, the French-English clash is clearly the best pick for any neutrals.

danthefan

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

No single game will decide any competition run on a league basis

/thread

Surprised at the angry reactions to this, you're entirely right. There are 4 teams who can win the tournament, there are going to be a good few very important games to decide the winner.

Rightwing

England - Ireland will be the key game, if we win this I'll be amazed if we don't win the championship, if not the GS.

There's always 1 defining game, last year, Wales-Eng, when wales schooled them.

Rightwing

danthefan wrote: »

I'm going to credit you with being a fairly subtle troll but yes when you get down to the very last game of the tournament between two teams vying for the championship, it does tend to decide the winner overall. Under usual circumstances like.

Nonsense, this isn't exactly what I'd term rocket science that we're dealing with here.

You look for the likely winners, and then when they play each other.

19543261

Then what are you on about? Was as much not implied in the OP. No need to be pedantic.

danthefan

Rightwing wrote: »

Nonsense, this isn't exactly what I'd term rocket science that we're dealing with here.

You look for the likely winners, and then when they play each other.

Then why do you tell us what one game is it this season that'll define things? Because it's fairly handy to do it in hindsight.

Rightwing

danthefan wrote: »

Then why do you tell us what one game is it this season that'll define things? Because it's fairly handy to do it in hindsight.

I told you already, Irl-Eng.

its_phil

Really do think a George Hook or Atari Jaguar option should be added to the polls.

danthefan

Rightwing wrote: »

I told you already, Irl-Eng.

Ah, so you did. We'll see.

Rightwing

Rightwing wrote: »

England - Ireland will be the key game, if we win this I'll be amazed if we don't win the championship, if not the GS.

There's always 1 defining game, last year, Wales-Eng, when wales schooled them.

This still holds true.

England will be far tougher than what really was a shambolic Welsh performance, and as I said at the time, the Scots are rubble. Probably even worse than I thought.

Can't take away from our performce v Wales though, that was enough to trouble England.