Who are the duffest managers in football

dd972

Paul Ince took another step into the Dowie zone today with his Blackpool dismissal, who do you think are the managers that don't cut the mustard, a few of mine.

Terry Venables : Good spells with England and Barca, but woeful in other jobs.

Roy Keane : I think he'll get another chance but his signings at S'land and Ipswich showed a poor judge of player.

Malcolm Allison : For the older readers, good coach with Mercer during City's last purple patch but a joke as a manager.

Kenny Dalglish : Seemed to jump the shark in the same way that George Graham and Howard Wilkinson did in later jobs.

John Barnes : Gives out about not getting jobs but I think his Celtic and Tranmere debacles rendered him toxic.

The_Kew_Tour

Steve Staunton.

No bigger then that useless pile of.................

Red Kev

Sven Goran Erikkson.

Had a few good seasons a couple of decades ago, seems to be living off that reputation and making a killing off it ever since.....and yes I'm jealous of him for giving Ulrikka J. one. :mad:

8-10

dd972 wrote: »

Kenny Dalglish

? He won the Premier League with a team that he took from the second division? Also 3 league titles with Liverpool.

Souness is the manager you're thinking of...

Agueroooo

I stopped reading when I read Kenny Dalglish in the same sentence as Howard Wilkinson and George Graham.

also wtf does "duffest" mean and "dowie zone" ?

Moneymaker

Graeme Souness.
Sam Allardyce
Phil Brown
Glenn Roeder

Lovely Bloke

Alan Matthews

LiamoSail

Agueroooo wrote: »

I stopped reading when I read Kenny Dalglish in the same sentence as Howard Wilkinson and George Graham.

Why? Leaving Wilkinson aside, Graham did an excellent job at Arsenal over a long period, bringing a lot of success to the club

Agueroooo

LiamoSail wrote: »

Why? Leaving Wilkinson aside, Graham did an excellent job at Arsenal over a long period, bringing a lot of success to the club

Sucessful yea but nowhere near Dalglish record and I personally don't like corruption in the game, so that's another aspect why I wouldn't compare them.

I am pie

Terry Venables - last manager to have England playing something that resembled football, s-f at Euro 96, got QPR and Palace promoted with good finishes in the top division after their promotion, won the league with Barca in 85 (first time since 74) and the Spanish Cup, got to 86 European Cup final, won a FA Cup with Spurs and kept an awful middlesborough side up after Bryan Robson nearly sank them.

Terrible CV.

Allardyce has been poison for West Ham but did keep a struggling Bolton side in the top division for years.

LiamoSail

Agueroooo wrote: »

Sucessful yea but nowhere near Dalglish record and I personally don't like corruption in the game, so that's another aspect why I wouldn't compare them.

Graham won a few league titles, a cup winners cup and the cup double at Arsenal. That is quiet close to what Dalglish won.

The corruption is irrelevant to a discussion on the managerial abilities/achievements

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AVB, anyone...?

I am pie

Surely this list should not include anyone who has won the top division of the league in which they managed?

Agueroooo

LiamoSail wrote: »

The corruption is irrelevant to a discussion on the managerial abilities/achievements

Not for me its not but I will leave it that so the thread can continue.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

I am pie wrote: »

Surely this list should not include anyone who has won the top division of the league in which they managed?

It can if said team as a shoe-in for the division in question.

geeky

There are a fair few absolute spoofers, of which Paul Ince is only the latest. Would echo previous nominations of Graeme Souness and John Barnes, though I think Mark Hughes is being found out as well.

Sven
Kenny Dalglish
AvB
Venables

??

Surely these managers can't be counted as "duffers" ( I'm assuming it means hopeless?) Won league titles/cups/european trophies. Insane choices.


Steve Staunton as mentioned is the standout one for me. Poor chap was completely out of his depth. Looked like a guy dragged in of the street/boards when in charge of Ireland.

eh i dunno

Alex McLeish is worth a mention

Skylinehead

Agueroooo wrote: »

I stopped reading when I read Kenny Dalglish in the same sentence as Howard Wilkinson and George Graham.

also wtf does "duffest" mean amd "dowie zone" ?

George Graham won nearly as much as Dalglish, he should be in the same sentence. Just not in this thread.

Richard Hillman

Ince only got the job because of his son (and behaved pretty dodgy when trying to flog him to Swansea). He'll be throwing out the race card in a few weeks.

Will I Amnt

Richard Hillman wrote: »

He'll be throwing out the race card in a few weeks.

Bit of a ridiculous jump to a conclusion there :rolleyes:

rob316

dd972 wrote: »

Paul Ince took another step into the Dowie zone today with his Blackpool dismissal, who do you think are the managers that don't cut the mustard, a few of mine.

Terry Venables : Good spells with England and Barca, but woeful in other jobs.

Roy Keane : I think he'll get another chance but his signings at S'land and Ipswich showed a poor judge of player.

Malcolm Allison : For the older readers, good coach with Mercer during City's last purple patch but a joke as a manager.

Kenny Dalglish : Seemed to jump the shark in the same way that George Graham and Howard Wilkinson did in later jobs.

John Barnes : Gives out about not getting jobs but I think his Celtic and Tranmere debacles rendered him toxic.

Kenny dalglish gtfo. He won the double as player manager something that no other manager has done.

To mention that man in the same bracket as the others is just face palm.

LiamoSail

rob316 wrote: »

Kenny dalglish gtfo. He won the double as player manager something that no other manager has done.

His successor did it.

mike65

Alan Ball

Blackpool (left them in poor state before they dropped)
Portsmouth (dropped but he also took up to be fair!)
Stoke City (was assistant who took over, left after poor run but stayed up)
Exeter City (left them in a terrible state before they dropped)
Southampton (kept them up and left them midtable)
Man City (relegated on goal difference)
Portsmouth (didn't relegate them)

Ulysses Gaze

Alan Pardew
John Gregory
David O'Leary
Gary Megson

house45

Sean mc caffery at dundalk 2years ago I'm still trying to get over how bad that man was.

rob316

LiamoSail wrote: »

His successor did it.

Huh?

LiamoSail

rob316 wrote: »

Huh?

Souness was player-manager at rangers & won the double

Kankan14

At LOI level. Alan Matthews and Pat Scully

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Bryan Robson maybe, wasn't a success at any of the clubs he managed really.

David Moyes. :P

BMMachine

I'd like to think Neil Warnock because I hate him but hes gotten a few teams up. Hes in above his head in the premier league though.

and yeah, Paul Ince and Kenny Dalglish don't belong in the same bracket of anything ever.

Francie Barrett

Claude Anelka has to be one of the more amusing management appointments. He actually paid Raith Rovers £300k to become their manager. 7 defeats and 1 draw later he was sacked.

8-10

What about Avram Grant? He didn't even have UEFA coaching badges when he took over Chelsea.

However saying that, he reached CL final, league cup final and finished second in the league so I'm torn as to whether he qualifies. My feeling was always that he was a bit of a spoofer, friend of the owner, and it was Steve Clarke and Henk ten Cate who had as much of a first team influence

Joe Kinnear also springs to mind. Been around the game a long long time but he's gotta be lucky to still be involved with a PL club this season

Lawrence1895

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Alan Matthews

Why did it take 7 posts to mention him?

mikeym

Graham Souness for picking "George Weahs" cousin when he was at Southampton.

Steve Kean did a crap job with Blackburn Rovers.

Rudd Gullit was another useless manager.

Gringo180

Aidy Boothroyd. Suppose to be the next best thing in homegrown managers. Played an absolutely rancid style of football.

retalivity

Dave bassett always struck me as someone who stumbled thru management telling people to go run around a bit and score

ben.schlomo

LOI, Sean Connor, ultimate spoofer.

Train wreck of a thread for the most part, some people shouldn't start threads.

Super-Rush

Big Sam?

LiamoSail

Super-Rush wrote: »

Big Sam?

Its fashionable

Al Capwned

Phil Brown.

dd972

Always thought David O'Leary was a bluffer, Walter Smith got found out at Everton as well.

kryogen

Paul Ince has one of the better agents out there

Oat23

Mido.

kryogen

Oat23 wrote: »

Mido.

Is he managing now?

ha! that has disaster all over it

razorblunt

Owen Coyle - talks absolute rubbish half the time.
Tony Adams
Paul Sturrock

death1234567

Domenech
Staunton
O'Leary

3 that spring to mind immediately. Plenty more out there...

SlickRic

Glenn Roeder.

kfallon

Tony Adams the worst one of all!!!

I'd give Bryan Robson a good mention too

Lou Macari in his time was awful too and always seems to sound like a bitter old man when co-commentating on games!

LuckyLloyd

dd972 wrote: »

Paul Ince took another step into the Dowie zone today with his Blackpool dismissal, who do you think are the managers that don't cut the mustard, a few of mine.

Very poor record for sure. Did well in League Two to save Macclesfield from relegation and get MK Dons promoted. But everything from Blackburn on has been a disaster.

Terry Venables : Good spells with England and Barca, but woeful in other jobs.

'Woeful' in other jobs? That's incorrect sir. Basically Venables enjoyed a very good career up until Leeds in 2002, and has essentially been out of the game for the majority of the last decade.

Roy Keane : I think he'll get another chance but his signings at S'land and Ipswich showed a poor judge of player.

Took Sunderland from bottom of the Championship through winning the Championship and survival in his first Premiership season. Didn't get into the playoffs with Ipswich but didn't come near relegating them either. He deserves another chance in league football on the basis of what he's done thus far.

Malcolm Allison : For the older readers, good coach with Mercer during City's last purple patch but a joke as a manager.

Not in a position to comment.

Kenny Dalglish : Seemed to jump the shark in the same way that George Graham and Howard Wilkinson did in later jobs.

Won the league with two different clubs. Had a disappointing tenure at Celtic, failed to hit expectations at Newcastle. Won a trophy in his second spell at Liverpool. A very good career under his belt all told.

John Barnes : Gives out about not getting jobs but I think his Celtic and Tranmere debacles rendered him toxic.

Poor record, no arguments there.

jmayo

dd972 wrote: »

Paul Ince took another step into the Dowie zone today with his Blackpool dismissal, who do you think are the managers that don't cut the mustard, a few of mine.

Terry Venables : Good spells with England and Barca, but woeful in other jobs.

Oh FFS.
Ever hear about his spells at Palace or QPR ?
And a good spell with England and Barca signify a hell of a lot about how someone can cope with huge pressure and expectation.

dd972 wrote: »

Kenny Dalglish : Seemed to jump the shark in the same way that George Graham and Howard Wilkinson did in later jobs.

Jaysus you know that football existed before the last few years of sky coverage.
Daglish's last stint at manager may not have worked out, but winning major leagues and cups with two different clubs must fooking count that a manager was a success.

Look up the history of Arsenal and see the success Graham had.
They may have been boring, but they were damm hard to beat and challenghed or won majpr honours.
Oh and the defense he had built became the bedrock of the early Wenger teams.

All you appear to be doing is listing managers who failed in one of their jobs in their later career.