31 year old man posts to reddit before suicide

WellThen?

I was just browsing Reddit the other day when I came across this.

http://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/1v5orn/only_4_days_left_until_i_end_it_all/?limit=500

To say the least I was really affected by this, and also how all of the comments seem to accept this poor man's situation and the outcome he has decided for himself.

He also posted a video explaining why this was his only option and I have to say I have never thought suicide was the answer but this particular situation may have changed my view.

Today was the day, and with no further posts from OP, I believe he may have been successful.

If this isn't suitable for After Hours mods please feel free to move it.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Suicide is personal business, don't post your intentions anywhere is surely the way. He knew full that reddit would have a field day with it.

Call Me Jimmy

I won't comment on his death because he may not be dead but one point made there is about euthanasia, I just cannot comprehend how it is still not an option. HOW can you tell me prolonging the pain of a human (I controversially include psychological/emotional, not just clear cut physical cases) is better just so they are 'around' for you. So YOU don't have to grieve.

Our puppy had a horrific accident,

pulling out her stitches in the middle of the night. Odd yelping woke me and I went down. The insides of the dog were in a trail to behind the couch. The dog was just bleeding to death, with the bottom having fallen out of her. Somehow she managed to survive an hour til we got to the vet. When I imagine the pain of my own insides falling out through my stomach I get a glimpse of what her pain was like. We got to the vet and immediately he confirmed the suspicion that there was absolutely no helping her. At that very moment we told him to please just end it.

Putting an end to pain is available for animals beyond treatment but not for humans?

It is never pleasant when a being comes to an end, but sometimes it is for the better. This is one of the few things I feel strongly about.

UCDVet

Seems like a great example of when suicide should be an option. If the story is true and I were in his shoes, I'd at least want the choice of suicide.

kylith

That poor guy. It does seem to be a case where taking his own life will save him a lifetime of agony. I can't help but think of his family though, he says they have a their own problems but I can't see how his death will do anything but increase their suffering. However, maybe he's talked his decision over with them and they're supportive. If my brother had those problems I don't think I could in could conscience try talk them into living with it for decades.

Holsten

There is a comment from someone who knows him saying he is fine. Verified by the Reddit mods.

Gremlinertia

It's a debate brought to the forefront, and it really should be.. For people who are struggling themselves, it may help put things in perspective one way or another. If this story is true, he has a horrible existence with no relief in sight for a minimum seven years. Pure logic of his balancing of the situation bring him to his decision.. It is truly awful and heartbreaking that a young man has had to weigh things up as such and come to this conclusion, but it makes as much sense as someone with a terminal illness coming to this decision.. His ailments may not be fatal themselves but pain is a ferocious destroyer of the person as a whole. Hope he finds peace.

Hello_MrFox

His life, his decision.

lukesmom

Heart goes out to him but why tell everyone about it???

Holsten

Unless you have a sever disability that has brought your quality of life to near zero then I don't think it's ever the answer. Something like locked in syndrome or anything equally terrifying.

I mean, once you're dead that's it. There is NOTHING after it. This guy has the ability to improve his life.

lukesmom

Mr.S wrote: »

Reddit is a community, i'm sure he feels connected to it, as he doesn't leave the house.

Very sad story, but it does seem like he's making the right choice, why have years and years of pain when you can end it all in a few seconds.

Because his family will have to pay his funeral costs and they are already having financial difficulties.

P_1

lukesmom wrote: »

Heart goes out to him but why tell everyone about it???

Presumably to spread the message that sometimes it may be better to end your life rather then endure chronic physical pain which seemingly has no medical remedy.

Obviously suicide is a fairly emotive topic so apologies in advance if this offends anybody who has been impacted by it but it is a debate that really has to be had. We see it happen with animals all the time when it is deemed best to end their lives rather than prolong physical pain, people should be allowed the same kindness.

Call Me Jimmy

lukesmom wrote: »

Heart goes out to him but why tell everyone about it???

I believe in most cases sharing the information in any way is a sign that acceptance has not been reached, that they are not fully prepared to kill themselves - I stress, most cases.

It is a very lonely place to be considering suicide, even for those well used to loneliness, it is a quiet, cold realm which teases someone with the possibilities of life, brings them into sharper focus. There is a desire to communicate, even in someone who is resolute, that you in fact are going to end. Your universe is going back into oblivion. It's two feet from your face.

My suspicion that we all are children masquerading as adults is somewhat confirmed in death, adults often revert or regress to childhood before death if it is a conscious death. Soldiers, men who walked into bullets cry for their 'mommas' and want to be hushed and cradled.

So I can imagine this is his version of that. I am loathed to say cry for attention because it is very disrespectful of people who really do want to die, but I think it is natural to want attention especially before it is going to end.

Tasden

Gremlinertia wrote: »

It's a debate brought to the forefront, and it really should be.. For people who are struggling themselves, it may help put things in perspective one way or another. If this story is true, he has a horrible existence with no relief in sight for a minimum seven years. Pure logic of his balancing of the situation bring him to his decision.. It is truly awful and heartbreaking that a young man has had to weigh things up as such and come to this conclusion, but it makes as much sense as someone with a terminal illness coming to this decision.. His ailments may not be fatal themselves but pain is a ferocious destroyer of the person as a whole. Hope he finds peace.

Completely agree, I had a sore knee the past week, nothing serious or long term at all, my mood was dreadful, every step I took drained the energy from me because it was sore to walk, I was checking the clock constantly to see when I could take my next dose of pain relief. And this was something which I knew would be ok in a few days, I can only imagine what its like to wake up knowing you'll be in pain for the day every single day. I only thought to myself then that I pity anybody who has something that causes them constant long term pain because it drains you emotionally, and I was just being a drama queen about a minor injury, nothing like that man was experiencing.

lukesmom

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I believe in most cases sharing the information in any way is a sign that acceptance has not been reached, that they are not fully prepared to kill themselves - I stress, most cases.

It is a very lonely place to be considering suicide, even for those well used to loneliness, it is a quiet, cold realm which teases someone with the possibilities of life, brings them into sharper focus. There is a desire to communicate, even in someone who is resolute, that you in fact are going to end. Your universe is going back into oblivion. It's two feet from your face.

My suspicion that we all are children masquerading as adults is somewhat confirmed in death, adults often revert or regress to childhood before death if it is a conscious death. Soldiers, men who walked into bullets cry for their 'mommas' and want to be hushed and cradled.

So I can imagine this is his version of that. I am loathed to say cry for attention because it is very disrespectful of people who really do want to die, but I think it is natural to want attention especially before it is going to end.

Yeah I feel pretty stupid for writing that now apologies. I know too well what its like to be suicidal but I've no physical injuries like this man has. Hope he finds peace in death, he obviously doesn't have any in this life.

weldoninhio

Holsten wrote: »

Unless you have a sever disability that has brought your quality of life to near zero then I don't think it's ever the answer. Something like locked in syndrome or anything equally terrifying.

I mean, once you're dead that's it. There is NOTHING after it. This guy has the ability to improve his life.

That is absolute nonsense. I'm 31, fairly healthy, have friends, have a job, but given the option of ending it all now i would, without hesitation. Why bother with life when you don't want to. I'll prob live to be 60/70 or more. But i don't enjoy life. I don't look forward to anything. And i don't care about it.

I'd much rather be able to end it now than have to wait another 30-40 years of mundane, treading water "life".

wendell borton

I think he right to come out as he has. He seems to have come to his conclusion in a thoughtful and logical manner. Maybe If more people felt they could be open with their feelings and weight up their choices maybe unnecessary tragedies could be avoided.

Turtwig

Holsten wrote: »

Unless you have a sever disability that has brought your quality of life to near zero then I don't think it's ever the answer. Something like locked in syndrome or anything equally terrifying.

I mean, once you're dead that's it. There is NOTHING after it. This guy has the ability to improve his life.

Being in agonising pain is debilitating and if it is lifelong or even for an extended duration a person it can take some getting to terms with. Depending on the extent of the pain and the medications required, a person's quality of life, the factor you deemed relevant, can effectively be zero. Some people cope with suffering differently than others. That's because everyone experiences suffering differently.

Almost nobody wants to die; nobody wants to suffer.

--LOS--

Have you ever browsed r/depression or r/suicidewatch, it's a small world here on boards but unfortunately this story is nothing new, it's also another example of how far more accepting and understanding people are of physical pain versus mental pain

lukesmom

weldoninhio wrote: »

That is absolute nonsense. I'm 31, fairly healthy, have friends, have a job, but given the option of ending it all now i would, without hesitation. Why bother with life when you don't want to. I'll prob live to be 60/70 or more. But i don't enjoy life. I don't look forward to anything. And i don't care about it.

I'd much rather be able to end it now than have to wait another 30-40 years of mundane, treading water "life".

You have the option but your still alive, must mean you care about living more than you say

oppenheimer1

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

I won't comment on his death because he may not be dead but one point made there is about euthanasia, I just cannot comprehend how it is still not an option. HOW can you tell me prolonging the pain of a human (I controversially include psychological/emotional, not just clear cut physical cases) is better just so they are 'around' for you. So YOU don't have to grieve.

Our puppy had a horrific accident,

pulling out her stitches in the middle of the night. Odd yelping woke me and I went down. The insides of the dog were in a trail to behind the couch. The dog was just bleeding to death, with the bottom having fallen out of her. Somehow she managed to survive an hour til we got to the vet. When I imagine the pain of my own insides falling out through my stomach I get a glimpse of what her pain was like. We got to the vet and immediately he confirmed the suspicion that there was absolutely no helping her. At that very moment we told him to please just end it.

Putting an end to pain is available for animals beyond treatment but not for humans?

It is never pleasant when a being comes to an end, but sometimes it is for the better. This is one of the few things I feel strongly about.

The open regime you suggest would be rife for abuse. Say someone who is in great psychological or emotional difficulty, are you really saying they could be possibly in a fit state of mind to make the ultimate decision? Are you also saying people cannot be manipulated to feel that they would be better off dead?


How would you safeguard the system you are in favour of?

Penny Tration

weldoninhio wrote: »

That is absolute nonsense. I'm 31, fairly healthy, have friends, have a job, but given the option of ending it all now i would, without hesitation. Why bother with life when you don't want to. I'll prob live to be 60/70 or more. But i don't enjoy life. I don't look forward to anything. And i don't care about it.

I'd much rather be able to end it now than have to wait another 30-40 years of mundane, treading water "life".

Mate, if you truly feel like that, I think you should speak to your gp. I mean that with the utmost sincerity.

Czarcasm

green_screen wrote: »

Mate, if you truly feel like that, I think you should speak to your gp. I mean that with the utmost sincerity.

That's exactly the problem with people putting stuff like that out on the internet, often times it's difficult to distinguish between just attention seeking, and genuinely held belief.

The attention seeking trivialises the issue, but most people would still take it seriously. It's the same with people who trivialise depression or suicide by announcing on social media that they're depressed and want to die because they couldn't afford the latest phone or games console, or a relationship didn't work out, or their boss is a this, that and the other, etc.

Femme_Fatale

green_screen wrote: »

Mate, if you truly feel like that, I think you should speak to your gp. I mean that with the utmost sincerity.

Yeh I agree. Everyone goes through phases of feeling down, even absolutely dreadful - due to something happening.

But if a person feels there will never be anything to look forward to/enjoy in life, something doesn't seem right.

Arthur Rimbaud

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Yeh I agree. Everyone goes through phases of feeling down, even absolutely dreadful - due to something happening.

But if a person feels there will never be anything to look forward to/enjoy in life, something doesn't seem right.

what if there really is nothing to look forward to and there is nothing to enjoy. I don't relate to it but it could happen. Someone in chronic pain or what have u like the man on reddit. seems fairly practical.

Femme_Fatale

Arthur Rimbaud wrote: »

what if there really is nothing to look forward to and there is nothing to enjoy. I don't relate to it but it could happen. Someone in chronic pain or what have u like the man on reddit. seems fairly practical.

Oh I know, but I'm specifically referring to that poster who said they are in good health, have friends, a job, but see nothing positive in life.

dodderangler

Personally I think that him posting a thread like that was his way of looking for help.
If he was suicidal he'd have done it. Poor bloke obviously felt like he'd get help online. Sometimes can help and sometimes can get answers from some sick little fcuks

Nino Brown

Suicide should always be an option, for everybody. I don't necessarily agree we need to provide a service for people who want to kill themselves though, it shouldn't be made easy, or something that somebody can do on a whim, if somebody wants to do it, it's actually pretty easy, I think people should only be helped if they are incapable of doing it themselves. But it is the ultimate arrogance to tell somebody they don't have the right to end their own life if they choose.
Who says somebody needs to be in chronic pain, or terminally ill? Just being bored with life is a perfectly legitimate reason to end it all.

jam_mac_jam

God, that's very sad. Its actually hard to read.

He is in so much pain though I can see why he is doing it, that would drive you mad.

Czarcasm

Nino Brown wrote: »

Suicide should always be an option, for everybody. I don't necessarily agree we need to provide a service for people who want to kill themselves though, it shouldn't be made easy, or something that somebody can do on a whim, if somebody wants to do it, it's actually pretty easy, I think people should only be helped if they are incapable of doing it themselves. But it is the ultimate arrogance to tell somebody they don't have the right to end their own life if they choose.
Who says somebody needs to be in chronic pain, or terminally ill? Just being bored with life is a perfectly legitimate reason to end it all.

I don't think that's a belief that should be considered borne of arrogance tbh. I would say it's more a belief based on the fact that life should be valued. The idea that suicide should always be an option for everybody is a very simplistic viewpoint tbh, and arguing that just being bored with life is a legitimate reason to choose to die by suicide is utter nonsense, because by that logic, then any individual reason can be a legitimised, which contradicts your earlier assertion that it shouldn't be made easy for someone who chooses to take their own life.

I think a service SHOULD be available in Ireland to facilitate a person who chooses to die by suicide or who wishes to be euthanised, but it should be overseen by a team of medical professionals. That way recent court cases could be avoided and afford a person their dignity in choosing to die.

gctest50

Czarcasm wrote: »

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I think a service SHOULD be available in Ireland to facilitate a person who chooses to die by suicide or who wishes to be euthanised, but it should be overseen by a team of medical professionals. That way recent court cases could be avoided and afford a person their dignity in choosing to die.

For sure , this sort of setup :

The end-of-life clinic employs thirty teams, consisting of a doctor and a nurse, that perform euthanasia across the country. In addition to the two psychiatrists employed, many GPs and internists work at the clinic.

http://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2014/01/02/in-the-netherlands-nine-psychiatric-patients-received-euthanasia/

Nino Brown

Czarcasm wrote: »

I would say it's more a belief based on the fact that life should be valued.

That's more of an opinion than a fact really, the value of anything is determined by how much people want it, if you don't want life it's worth zero.

Czarcasm wrote: »

arguing that just being bored with life is a legitimate reason to choose to die by suicide is utter nonsense, because by that logic, then any individual reason can be a legitimised, which contradicts your earlier assertion that it shouldn't be made easy for someone who chooses to take their own life.

I don't know what you mean by any reason can be legitimized, I don't see why it needs to be legitimized at all, it's a personal choice, nothing to do with anybody else.
When I say it shouldn't be made easy, I mean for example, exit bags shouldn't be available in your local pharmacy. What I'm saying is it should be something you're forced to think about it at least a little and not do it on a whim.

Czarcasm wrote: »

I think a service SHOULD be available in Ireland to facilitate a person who chooses to die by suicide or who wishes to be euthanised, but it should be overseen by a team of medical professionals. That way recent court cases could be avoided and afford a person their dignity in choosing to die.

To be honest I wouldn't have any problem with that, but I don't see the need to over complicate it, killing yourself is pretty easy, I don't see the need to involve doctors unless you're incapable of doing it yourself.

Turtwig

Czarcasm wrote: »

That's exactly the problem with people putting stuff like that out on the internet, often times it's difficult to distinguish between just attention seeking, and genuinely held belief.

The attention seeking trivialises the issue, but most people would still take it seriously. It's the same with people who trivialise depression or suicide by announcing on social media that they're depressed and want to die because they couldn't afford the latest phone or games console, or a relationship didn't work out, or their boss is a this, that and the other, etc.

The assumption should always be that they're not attention seeking. Unless you have reason to believe otherwise. Generalising it the way you have done it is very wrong imo. Assume it's genuine until you have reason to belief otherwise. Like you would with a trial of a person. Innocent until proven guilty.

It is absolutely not the same as somebody saying they're depressed over Man Utd lost or they want to die because they read something incredibly stupid. Such things are idioms. People who trivialise depression or suicideal ideation are those that mock serious instances of it. "If he was really suicidal he'd have done it. Coward!" "Stop being depressed you've your whole life ahead of you. That's more than I have!" "My grandmother died and I was depressed but I got over it*" that sort of stuff.

*That last one could be genuine but generally speaking it's rarely used by people empathising with depression.

Czarcasm

Nino Brown wrote: »

That's more of an opinion than a fact really, the value of anything is determined by how much people want it, if you don't want life it's worth zero.

Nino I understand where you're coming from, but the fact, or the reality of the situation, is that the opinion of the majority of people is that life has value, and it sets a dangerous precedent the minute people are encouraged to think that life has zero value.

I don't know what you mean by any reason can be legitimized, I don't see why it needs to be legitimized at all, it's a personal choice, nothing to do with anybody else.
When I say it shouldn't be made easy, I mean for example, exit bags shouldn't be available in your local pharmacy. What I'm saying is it should be something you're forced to think about it at least a little and not do it on a whim.

Forcing someone to think about their actions is the same as requiring them to come up with legitimate reasons or justifications for their actions. That's no bad thing and should be the basis of any new proposal to legislate for euthanasia.

To be honest I wouldn't have any problem with that, but I don't see the need to over complicate it, killing yourself is pretty easy, I don't see the need to involve doctors unless you're incapable of doing it yourself.

Again Nino, I understand what you mean, but there are many who would tell you that taking your own life is a lot harder than it sounds, and sometimes in an attempt to take one's own life, the person can leave themselves with debilitating injuries. Doctors are at least qualified medical professionals who know exactly what they're doing and would be licensed by the State to carry out such procedures, rather than an unqualified person who could possibly inflict worse injuries.

Taking ones own life might sound easy in theory, but that leaves no room for those who would rather choose to die with dignity.

lukesmom

Nino Brown wrote: »

Suicide should always be an option, for everybody. I don't necessarily agree we need to provide a service for people who want to kill themselves though, it shouldn't be made easy, or something that somebody can do on a whim, if somebody wants to do it, it's actually pretty easy, I think people should only be helped if they are incapable of doing it themselves. But it is the ultimate arrogance to tell somebody they don't have the right to end their own life if they choose.
Who says somebody needs to be in chronic pain, or terminally ill? Just being bored with life is a perfectly legitimate reason to end it all.

You can't be serious with that last sentence?????????

Czarcasm

Jernal wrote: »

The assumption should always be that they're not attention seeking. Unless you have reason to believe otherwise. Generalising it the way you have done it is very wrong imo. Assume it's genuine until you have reason to belief otherwise. Like you would with a trial of a person. Innocent until proven guilty.

I suppose Jernal it looked like a generalisation the way it read, but what I meant was that because it's impossible to tell, people should be discouraged from entertaining online pleas for help and the person should be encouraged to seek assistance and support from medical and health professionals, anywhere but online where their issues could be exacerbated. I'm thinking along the lines of the way Boards handles these types of threads that crop up every so often in PI and RI. They are closed just as much to protect the people offering advice as they are to protect the OP and encourage them to talk to professionals who are trained and qualified to offer them support.

It is absolutely not the same as somebody saying they're depressed over Man Utd lost or they want to die because they read something incredibly stupid. Such things are idioms. People who trivialise depression or suicideal ideation are those that mock serious instances of it. "If he was really suicidal he'd have done it. Coward!" "Stop being depressed you've your whole life ahead of you. That's more than I have!" "My grandmother died and I was depressed but I got over it*" that sort of stuff.

*That last one could be genuine but generally speaking it's rarely used by people empathising with depression.

Jernal didn't you just pull me up on making generalisations? I know what you mean by the examples you gave though, but all I can think is my experience and what I've read previously doesn't tally with that assessment. I know we could go back and forth on that one all night though.

Call Me Jimmy

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

The open regime you suggest would be rife for abuse. Say someone who is in great psychological or emotional difficulty, are you really saying they could be possibly in a fit state of mind to make the ultimate decision? Are you also saying people cannot be manipulated to feel that they would be better off dead?


How would you safeguard the system you are in favour of?

Yes I am saying it is possible for someone in psychological emotional difficulty to be in a fit state of mind to make 'the ultimate decision'.

I am not saying people cannot be manipulated to feel that they would be better off dead.

Safeguarding it would be complex granted but not impossible. I don't have the answer for that because I am one person. If I mention specifics I'll be drawn into a long, drawn-out multi-quote apocolypse I'd imagine.

seenitall

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Safeguarding it would be complex granted but not impossible. I don't have the answer for that because I am one person. If I mention specifics I'll be drawn into a long, drawn-out multi-quote apocolypse I'd imagine.

Don't the Swiss have some kind of a working model of this set up already?

gctest50

Dignitas ?

http://infogr.am/assisted-suicides?src=web

http://www.dignitas.ch/index.php?lang=en

Satriale

Looks like they tracked this guy down...


Update 4: I just got home from the hospital. At least one kind stranger was able to easily track me down to the proper city via username and connecting that to other usernames then going from there with the info available. I was picked up by the cops, brought to the hospital on Wednesday night at approximately 9:30pm EST. They just released me today (Saturday), at 12:00pm EST. I just wanted to give a quick update but I will follow up today with a more detailed response. thank you everyone for the kind support.
Update 5: Well, as I stated previously, I was picked up by 2 police officers who where fantastic individuals. They were respectful, calm, professional, knowledgeable and just great people overall. They explained that... [cont]

http://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/1v5orn/only_4_days_left_until_i_end_it_all/?limit=500

lukesmom

Satriale wrote: »

Looks like they tracked this guy down...


Update 4: I just got home from the hospital. At least one kind stranger was able to easily track me down to the proper city via username and connecting that to other usernames then going from there with the info available. I was picked up by the cops, brought to the hospital on Wednesday night at approximately 9:30pm EST. They just released me today (Saturday), at 12:00pm EST. I just wanted to give a quick update but I will follow up today with a more detailed response. thank you everyone for the kind support.
Update 5: Well, as I stated previously, I was picked up by 2 police officers who where fantastic individuals. They were respectful, calm, professional, knowledgeable and just great people overall. They explained that... [cont]

http://www.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/1v5orn/only_4_days_left_until_i_end_it_all/?limit=500

I bet there will be a fund set up for him for money to tide him over till he finds a job. He mentioned in that update he needs money till he gets a job. The cynic in me would say its all about the money. So I'll keep my cynicism out of it

WellThen?

Op here, god I just seen that update. So he didn't do it! I really thought he was 100% set on doing it. I feel like better knowing this. I would just think it was about the money but he spent a lot of time explaining his pain, and I believed the video. It still makes me wonder though.

I have changed my view slightly on the issue however, regardless of how it ended for this man. It made me think about how high we value life, regardless of how much pain, mentally and physically we suffer.

mikom

I am suicidal AMA.

WellThen?

mikom wrote: »

I am suicidal AMA.

It's been done. Can't believe it.

http://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/1qbei3/i_am_about_to_commit_suicide_ama/

FizzleSticks

This post has been deleted.

greenheart

lukesmom wrote: »

I bet there will be a fund set up for him for money to tide him over till he finds a job. He mentioned in that update he needs money till he gets a job. The cynic in me would say its all about the money. So I'll keep my cynicism out of it

I think you're right he just posted that he was thinking of "setting up a paypal donation thing later today"
:rolleyes:

Dublinpato

lukesmom wrote: »

I bet there will be a fund set up for him for money to tide him over till he finds a job. He mentioned in that update he needs money till he gets a job. The cynic in me would say its all about the money. So I'll keep my cynicism out of it

greenheart wrote: »

I think you're right he just posted that he was thinking of "setting up a paypal donation thing later today"
:rolleyes:

I'v seen this thing before, a well known bloke who streamed himself playing video game's had everyone believe he was paraplegic and needed money for a new wheelchair and all sorts, and all his fan's and viewers start sending him money up to about 5k until one day he forgot he was in a wheelchair and got up out of his chair and walked off while in the middle of a stream in front of all his viewers and when everyone was freaking out he tried to say that he threw himself out of the chair to stop his dog from peeing on his computer little did he know everyone could see him trough the reflection of the glass on his big f*cking fish tank walking about, why people just give money away on the internet like that is ridiculous.

gctest50

Forgot about that one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N5gixJ2X8M

lukesmom

To be honest I think he was doing it to get attention from the public so he could make money. He says he's suicidal. The last thing you do is tell the world about it, you just visualise yourself slipping away quietly and peacefully. What a pr!ck. Money money money.

Jhcx

lukesmom wrote: »

To be honest I think he was doing it to get attention from the public so he could make money. He says he's suicidal. The last thing you do is tell the world about it, you just visualise yourself slipping away quietly and peacefully. What a pr!ck. Money money money.

I dont think its all about money. some people like to talk to people and feel wanted. a person could have all the money in the world and still just want to talk to someone before taking their life. Of course there are people for everything but cant judge them till you see first hand what there really thinking. something i know about my personality is that if i was in a position like that i would probably tell boards or some forum of online media because you dont know whats going to be thrown at you from others and it could change your mind. you might meet some of the greatest people and finally be able to fill a hole that has formed for x amount of years. We all think differently and just because some see it as a quick money scam doesnt mean everyone who wants to go public about it should be branded with the same label

Czarcasm

Jhcx wrote: »

I dont think its all about money. some people like to talk to people and feel wanted. a person could have all the money in the world and still just want to talk to someone before taking their life. Of course there are people for everything but cant judge them till you see first hand what there really thinking. something i know about my personality is that if i was in a position like that i would probably tell boards or some forum of online media because you dont know whats going to be thrown at you from others and it could change your mind. you might meet some of the greatest people and finally be able to fill a hole that has formed for x amount of years. We all think differently and just because some see it as a quick money scam doesnt mean everyone who wants to go public about it should be branded with the same label

It does actually, or at least it should, to stop this sort of thing of people seeking validation on the internet and almost having to "out-do" the previous person to compete for recognition. I know it sounds horrifically cynical and unsympathetic, but if this behaviour is encouraged and seen as acceptable, then it becomes normalised, and instead of people seeking help from professionals, they go to the Internet in places like 4Chan and Reddit where they're guaranteed an audience of people where either of two things will happen -

1. People post messages of love and support, person feels validated, because now they've got attention. What happens when they need an attention top-up? "Look mate this is your tenth time saying you're going to kill yourself, enough already!", person feels rejected, and there are consequences thereafter.

2. People scream "Do it, do it, go on, liven up my weekend!", person feels their opinion of the world is validated - "Look at that, everybody hates me, I was right!", and the consequences thereafter.


So it's all well and good to say "people find support in the online community", but the "online community" quickly forgets about that person when the next person comes along and says "I'm suicidal". The vast, vast majority of people WANT to help, and WANT to provide support, because they DO care and don't want to see someone die, but often times their empathy is exploited and they are ill equipped to deal with those emotions. It's the classic "cry wolf" scenario, and the more and more it happens, the more it becomes acceptable, and the less people are going to care.

What happens then?